Divorce rates in UK and worldwide

Rose65

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I was idly conjecturing how many people reach retirement still married. Upon looking up divorce rates I was amazed it's 42% here in the UK, that is very high. Looking at other countries it is interesting that Maldives has the highest rate in the world, wonder why? Sounds like a paradise there to me but obviously isn't!
 

I was idly conjecturing how many people reach retirement still married. Upon looking up divorce rates I was amazed it's 42% here in the UK, that is very high. Looking at other countries it is interesting that Maldives has the highest rate in the world, wonder why? Sounds like a paradise there to me but obviously isn't!
It does not surprise me. Simply an aspect of the feminist movement which seems to have been running for more than 50 years now. I don't think this phenomenon is really new.

I am sure it is more a very big contrast between western and developed societies and those of the middle east, muslim world. More 'traditional' societies won't have very high divorce rates. Is that good or bad? Neither. Just an observation.

As far as our society (U.S.) goes there is a sad consequence. Fewer young men are even trying to find someone to marry. Scared off. The more common experience today is to get married, have children, then wife wants a divorce. She keeps the kids and enjoys having a family. While the man does not have that enjoyment but, gets to pay child support. That common practice has meant many men go unmarried. Can't blame them. Actually, maybe its smart.
 
I suspect there is "a bit" more to it than the above - like - why are "the wives" seeking a divorce - what has happened between husband and wives that the wives no longer wish to be married to the father of their children? Does misogynistic behavior on the part of the husband by any chance play a part in the breakdown of the relationship?
 

I suspect there is "a bit" more to it than the above - like - why are "the wives" seeking a divorce - what has happened between husband and wives that the wives no longer wish to be married to the father of their children? Does misogynistic behavior on the part of the husband by any chance play a part in the breakdown of the relationship?
why are you presuming that the wives are the ones who are seeking to end the marriage ?
 
why are you presuming that the wives are the ones who are seeking to end the marriage ?
Because, here in the US, the advantages for women to walk away can be very advantageous from a financial standpoint, especially when kids are involved.
Men would rather stay miserable and have a 'friend' on the side rather than get a divorce and lose everything.
This is not to judge ones actions, but just point out how the judicial system works here in the US and how it favors women.
 
Because, here in the US, the advantages for women to walk away can be very advantageous from a financial standpoint
That may well be true "some" of the time for the upper middle class; however for most of the women below that it is not. Just because s judge orders "child support" doesn't mean it's actually received
"The proportion of custodial mothers who had child support agreements increased from 59.8% in 1994 to 64.2% in 2004; however, the number has since decreased to 51.4% in 2018.
In 2017, the aggregate expected amount of child support for receipt was $30 billion. 62% of that amount was actually received, averaging $3,431 per custodial parent.
5.4 million custodial parents are expected to receive child support in 2017. 1.2 million of these parents (22.2%) had family incomes below the poverty threshold"
 
That may well be true "some" of the time for the upper middle class; however for most of the women below that it is not. Just because s judge orders "child support" doesn't mean it's actually received
"The proportion of custodial mothers who had child support agreements increased from 59.8% in 1994 to 64.2% in 2004; however, the number has since decreased to 51.4% in 2018.
In 2017, the aggregate expected amount of child support for receipt was $30 billion. 62% of that amount was actually received, averaging $3,431 per custodial parent.
5.4 million custodial parents are expected to receive child support in 2017. 1.2 million of these parents (22.2%) had family incomes below the poverty threshold"
And where are these stats coming from?
To go back to 2004, 2017 for numbers seems a stretch.
 
I volunteer on a mental health website and relationship stress and divorce is a big category.

I find the things talked about alarming that many are not going to last in a marriage. including using electronics like a persons phone and social media accounts as a spying tools or leash..... some stories are simply crazy.
I am not sure why many seem to be completely unrealistic to what marriage really is like / give and take and compromise is not in many of the younger person vocabulary.

If you think numbers are bad now.........I do not see improvement in future.
Divorce is not always favorable to women as some make more then spouses....
As said before just because someone was told to pay spousal or child support does not mean it is done either.
 
Single moms are often living in poverty once divorced and struggling. Often they aren’t getting child support or help raising the kids from the dad. It’s a tough life and definitely not enviable.
tell me about it. I got divorced from my first husband when my daughter was 8 years old. He never paid a single penny in maintenance despite a court order.....it was very very difficult financially, raising her on my own..
 
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"How much child support do parents actually receive? - USAFacts"
I have had personal experience. When I divorced my first husband, I received no support (1958) and had not completed my nursing education. I worked as a waitress and barely made it. By the time I gave up on my second marriage, I had wised up and correctly surmised I would receive no child support ( he had refused to do it for his first wife), so I went back to school to get my nursing degree. I had only a year and a half to co to get my degree. I foolishly stayed in the marriage 5 years longer. My life since ending that marriage (of 19 years) has been so much better in every way
 
"How much child support do parents actually receive? - USAFacts"
I have had personal experience. When I divorced my first husband, I received no support (1958) and had not completed my nursing education. I worked as a waitress and barely made it. By the time I gave up on my second marriage, I had wised up and correctly surmised I would receive no child support ( he had refused to do it for his first wife), so I went back to school to get my nursing degree. I had only a year and a half to co to get my degree. I foolishly stayed in the marriage 5 years longer. My life since ending that marriage (of 19 years) has been so much better in every way
Glad you supplied the source.....
Terribly flawed (typical for organizations trying to push their agenda)

"child support program collected $32.7 billion, according to data from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). About 66% of this money was collected directly from the paychecks of parents obligated to provide child support."

This is such a small subset of overall child support that is paid. The article only states what is being taken through the government program, not what normal men pay, every week, without the courts or governments interferencing.
Many men go for 18/26 years paying child support directly to the ex-spouse, in full, on time and doesn't require government intervention. Actually a large portion of men pay more than child support requires, why? Because they want to do right by their children.
 
My remarks on this matter were not based on any statistical information. Rather on anecdotal experiences expressed to me by others and observation.

I don't think the real issue is of % of paid or unpaid child support. From a statistical standpoint the better measurement would be what per cent of the population in any given generation has been married vs what per cent remained single, and has the single percentage increased through the era of feminism. That is more the correct statistical measure that addresses my point.

What that is is unknown to me, and of little importance to me. I am only reporting my experience. I am not doing an academic study or statistical analysis.

I realize and respect the issue of child support is a hot button issue for many whom it has touched. All I am trying to say is that men have been scared off by the tendencies seen so often in women's behavior recently.

What is the solution, if this is seen as a problem? Well, honestly, I think boys need to be raised differently than in the past to have a different perspective on their roles as husbands and fathers. Equally, girls need to be raised differently to have a different expectation of themselves and of men as well. But, that's a subject far beyond anything I can address, since I was locked in a backyard for 3 years as a child and never was given much help in socialization as a result. I remained single and alone for the rest of my life.

And, frankly, I am not so sure that being single and alone was all that bad compared to the stress and heartbreak I've seen many men go through in the recent past. I wonder how much homelessness can be directly connected to such an experience. I wonder if anyone has ever studied in parallel homelessness and rates of divorce.
 
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In 1975 I divorced my cheating husband and I was 21 with a 2 year old. I got child support for 6 months until he got out of the military and I never saw another dime. While he was in the military they automatically sent me a check so he had no control over it.

I worked full time and was poor. So poor that if my car broke down my parents would have to pay to fix it. Not possible to get my son to daycare and myself to work by bus. My son never went hungry but I did at times.

During my second marriage I went to college once the 2 kids from that marriage were in school all day. I was determined to never be in that situation again. It was a bad marriage but I stayed until the kids grew up so they would have a better life.
 
In 1975 I divorced my cheating husband and I was 21 with a 2 year old. I got child support for 6 months until he got out of the military and I never saw another dime. While he was in the military they automatically sent me a check so he had no control over it.

I worked full time and was poor. So poor that if my car broke down my parents would have to pay to fix it. Not possible to get my son to daycare and myself to work by bus. My son never went hungry but I did at times.

During my second marriage I went to college once the 2 kids from that marriage were in school all day. I was determined to never be in that situation again. It was a bad marriage but I stayed until the kids grew up so they would have a better life.
I note in your reply to the thread that you had two bad marriages. From a mental health standpoint did you ever seek counseling? The reason I ask is because I wonder if you hadn't responded to the first experience as blaming him would your second marriage had been different? Meaning, in the first marriage you made a bad choice so then did you make the same the second time? Generally, I find that people are very consistent in their behavior and repeat their same behavior over and over again - whatever the results. In both marriages he asked you to marry him. You said 'yes' both times.

I have a cousin who was married seven times with the first six ending in divorce. Finally, the seventh worked. Give her credit for persistence. And, give her credit for finally learning the lessons and changing her behavior. too. I always hear people complain about their partners when divorced. But, I never hear anyone blaming themselves.
 
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I note in your reply to the thread that you had two bad marriages. From a mental health standpoint did you ever seek counseling? The reason I ask is because I wonder if you hadn't responded to the first experience as blaming him would your second marriage had been different? Meaning, in the first marriage you made a bad choice so then did you make the same the second time? Generally, I find that people are very consistent in their behavior and repeat their same behavior over and over again - whatever the results. In both marriages he asked you to marry him. You said 'yes' both times.

I have a cousin who was married seven times with the first six ending in divorce. Finally, the seventh worked. Give her credit for persistence. And, give her credit for finally learning the lessons and changing her behavior. too. I always hear people complain about their partners when divorced. But, I never hear anyone blaming themselves.
My second husband never cheated on me. He provided well for our family and was a good person in many ways. But he was controlling and verbally abusive. I dragged him to counseling numerous times which didn’t help.

I am trained to be a therapist but changed careers after 4 years because I found it very depressing so I’m acutely aware of my own shortcomings. I went to counseling a year by myself to get the strength to leave him once the kids were grown because I was so stressed out that my neck was literally strangling both my arms. The neurologist said after running tests it was stress and I needed to figure out what was wrong with my life and change it.

I lived with my third husband for 6 years before marriage to make sure we were compatible. It was the best time of my life. However, over time he changed and became critical, lost a good job because of his actions, never worked again after age 53, and became a serial cheater.

However, my stepson that we had custody of since 13 recently told me that his dad cheated on his mom also and said he was morally bankrupt. So people change over time and there’s no guarantees. My last 2 marriages were 22 years each and I have no interest in ever living with a man again. I’m not blaming myself because my last husband was a great liar and I had no clue for a long time.

His family all thought I was a saint for sticking with him through countless bad times of his own making about 13 years into the relationship and all supported me leaving so that tells you something. Some women marry serial killers and are the last to know so should they blame themselves?
 
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My second husband never cheated on me. He provided well for our family and was a good person in many ways. But he was controlling and verbally abusive. I dragged him to counseling numerous times which didn’t help.

I am trained to be a therapist but changed careers after 4 years because I found it very depressing so I’m acutely aware of my own shortcomings. I went to counseling a year by myself to get the strength to leave him once the kids were grown because I was so stressed out that my neck was literally strangling both my arms. The neurologist said after running tests it was stress and I needed to figure out what was wrong with my life and change it.

I lived with my third husband for 6 years before marriage to make sure we were compatible. It was the best time of my life. However, over time he changed and became critical, lost a good job because of his actions, never worked again after age 53, and became a serial cheater.

However, my stepson that we had custody of since 13 recently told me that his dad cheated on his mom also and said he was morally bankrupt. So people change over time and there’s no guarantees. My last 2 marriages were 22 years each and I have no interest in ever living with a man again. I’m not blaming myself because my last husband was a great liar and I had no clue for a long time.

His family all thought I was a saint for sticking with him through countless bad times of his own making about 13 years into the relationship and all supported me leaving so that tells you something. Some women marry serial killers and are the last to know so should they blame themselves?
People's behaviors do not change post wedding day after a long courtship. Getting to know the other person in a courtship is what courtship really is all about. Slow down. Take your time. Don't be in a rush. But, when she finds out he's rich or a doctor the wedding can't happen fast enough. And, also, practice makes perfect. So being married only twice does not mean the future possibilities are hopeless. After all it took my cousin 7 times to get it right for her. Don't forget, "Three's a charm."
 
People's behaviors do not change post wedding day after a long courtship. Getting to know the other person in a courtship is what courtship really is all about. Slow down. Take your time. Don't be in a rush. But, when she finds out he's rich or a doctor the wedding can't happen fast enough. And, also, practice makes perfect. So being married only twice does not mean the future possibilities are hopeless. After all it took my cousin 7 times to get it right for her. Don't forget, "Three's a charm."
I don’t think you actually read my post. I lived with my THIRD husband for 6 years before marriage so yes he changed.
 
In 1975 I divorced my cheating husband and I was 21 with a 2 year old. I got child support for 6 months until he got out of the military and I never saw another dime. While he was in the military they automatically sent me a check so he had no control over it.

I worked full time and was poor. So poor that if my car broke down my parents would have to pay to fix it. Not possible to get my son to daycare and myself to work by bus. My son never went hungry but I did at times.

During my second marriage I went to college once the 2 kids from that marriage were in school all day. I was determined to never be in that situation again. It was a bad marriage but I stayed until the kids grew up so they would have a better life.
if my first husband has still been in the Navy when we divorced it might not have been such a financial struggle for me.. but he'd been out for 2 years ...and working in Civvy street
 


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