Protesters "Protesting"

Do you really believe this report? It sounds very far fetched to me.

I've tried following the links to the Washington Times but I don't get the article I'm supposed to.
 
Do you really believe this report? It sounds very far fetched to me.

I've tried following the links to the Washington Times but I don't get the article I'm supposed to.

From Wiki

Newsmax Media,
commonly called Newsmax, is a conservative[SUP][1][/SUP] American news media organization founded by Christopher Ruddy and based in West Palm Beach, Florida. It operates the news website Newsmax.com, publishes the Franklin Prosperity Report and Newsmax magazine, and runs a conservative cable news channel Newsmax TV.



Of course it's BS

As for ACORN... it no longer exists and was defunded by congress.. All due to false allegations..

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) was a collection of community-based organizations in the United States and internationally that advocated for low- and moderate-income families by working on neighborhood safety, voter registration, health care, affordable housing, and other social issues. At its peak ACORN had over 500,000 members and more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in over 100 cities across the U.S.,[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] as well as in Argentina, Canada, Mexico, and Peru.[SUP][5][/SUP] ACORN was founded in 1970 by Wade Rathke and Gary Delgado.[SUP][6][/SUP] Its U.S. offices filed for Chapter 7 liquidation on November 2, 2010, effectively closing the organization.[SUP][7][/SUP] Many ACORN members and organizers formed new state-wide organizations.[SUP][8][/SUP]
ACORN has conducted voter registration drives, as well as working to remove systemic barriers to registration of low and working-class voters. The Republican Party regularly alleged that it committed voter fraud, but few cases have been found or prosecuted. The organization conducted its own audits and cooperated with investigations of employees, referring some cases to law enforcement.
ACORN suffered an extremely damaging nationwide controversy beginning in the fall of 2009 after two conservative activists secretly made and released videos of staged interactions with low-level ACORN personnel in several offices, portraying them as encouraging criminal behavior. Some media publicized the videos without investigation. These videos were later found in several independent law enforcement investigations to have been partially falsified and selectively edited by the activists, James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles. [SUP][9][/SUP] The organization suffered an immediate loss of funding from government agencies with which it had contracts, and from private donors[SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP] prior to the results of any investigations. Legislative amendments to spending bills in the United States House and Senate prohibited government funding of the group.
Four different independent investigations by various state and city Attorneys General and the GAO released in 2009 and 2010 cleared ACORN, finding its employees had not engaged in the alleged criminal activities and that the organization had managed its federal funding appropriately. Their reports described the videos as deceptively edited to present the workers in the worst possible light. The loss of funds had been too damaging and by March 2010, 15 of ACORN's 30 state chapters had already closed.[SUP][10][/SUP] ACORN announced it was closing its remaining state chapters and disbanding.[SUP][13][/SUP] Some state chapters have reorganized to continue operations under different names.
 
What you have here is a misrepresentation of what that particular organization did even if they were involved in Ferguson, which is quite possible, but that rag reporting source is trying to do something so much worse that what ACorn could ever try to do. The organization may have hired people to come in to be back up support on the protest lines, not rioters who looted and tore the town apart, that's just the same kind of spewing and inciting that they accused certain others of doing to get people up in arms.

ACORN, it an empowerment organization, their purpose good or bad, depending upon or which end you stand on is to help people who are often not able to get their voice heard or who are often abused by the system, to have a voice to make change for the betterment of the downtrodden. Well at least that's how they see themselves and as I understand so far. People are often brought in from all over to do sit-ins to assist in protest, some paid, political parties do it all the time, nothing new to see here. Now those doing crimes in the process, that's a whole different story. That rag newsource is guilty of a crime by trying to group the criminals with the people who were just doing the protesting as to incite the general public to keep this whole thing of everyone being at opposite sides and condemning all the people of Ferguson and anyone who may want to help them make change for the better. .
 
Funny isn't it? I know nothing about any of this but like Hamlet I get the impression that "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" which I understand to mean that it's all very fishy.

I can understand an activist group organising buses to bring in protestors but paying them by the week is very hard to believe. QuickSilver called it BS. I have a well developed BS detector and it went off pretty quickly. Still I did attempt to verify the article. I could not.

One thing the internet should be teaching us is that we must be sceptical about a lot of things that are put before us. Over time we ought to get better at detecting attempts to mislead us. Propaganda is still alive and well in the 21st century but given that it has been around for all of our lives, we should be getting much harder to fool.
 
According to this article, there are 174 Organizations that are active Acorn entities or renamed active Acorn organizations

List of Still-Active ACORN Entities, ACORN Allies, and Rebranded ACORN Organizations


  1. 1825 Atlantic MHANY, Inc.
  2. 4415 San Jacinto Street Corporation
  3. 5301 McDougall Corporation
  4. 730 Rockaway MHANY, Inc.
  5. A Community Voice (ACV)
  6. ACORN Community Land Association of Pennsylvania
  7. ACORN Community Land Association, Inc.
  8. ACORN Global Enterprises, L3C
  9. ACORN Loan Program
  10. Action NC
  11. Action Now
  12. Action Now Institute
  13. Action United
  14. Action United Education Fund
  15. Action United Political Action Committee
  16. Advancement Project
  17. Advancement Project California
  18. Advocates and Actions
  19. Affiliated Media Foundation Movement, Inc.
  20. Affordable Housing Centers of America (AHCOA)



http://causeofaction.org/still-active-acorn-entities-acorn-allies-and-rebranded-acorn-organizations/
 
According to this article, there are 174 Organizations that are active Acorn entities or renamed active Acorn organizations

List of Still-Active ACORN Entities, ACORN Allies, and Rebranded ACORN Organizations


  1. 1825 Atlantic MHANY, Inc.
  2. 4415 San Jacinto Street Corporation
  3. 5301 McDougall Corporation
  4. 730 Rockaway MHANY, Inc.
  5. A Community Voice (ACV)
  6. ACORN Community Land Association of Pennsylvania
  7. ACORN Community Land Association, Inc.
  8. ACORN Global Enterprises, L3C
  9. ACORN Loan Program
  10. Action NC
  11. Action Now
  12. Action Now Institute
  13. Action United
  14. Action United Education Fund
  15. Action United Political Action Committee
  16. Advancement Project
  17. Advancement Project California
  18. Advocates and Actions
  19. Affiliated Media Foundation Movement, Inc.
  20. Affordable Housing Centers of America (AHCOA)



http://causeofaction.org/still-active-acorn-entities-acorn-allies-and-rebranded-acorn-organizations/

And this proves exactly what concerning the allegations?
 
What you have here is a misrepresentation of what that particular organization did even if they were involved in Ferguson, which is quite possible, but that rag reporting source is trying to do something so much worse that what ACorn could ever try to do. The organization may have hired people to come in to be back up support on the protest lines, not rioters who looted and tore the town apart, that's just the same kind of spewing and inciting that they accused certain others of doing to get people up in arms.

ACORN, it an empowerment organization, their purpose good or bad, depending upon or which end you stand on is to help people who are often not able to get their voice heard or who are often abused by the system, to have a voice to make change for the betterment of the downtrodden. Well at least that's how they see themselves and as I understand so far. People are often brought in from all over to do sit-ins to assist in protest, some paid, political parties do it all the time, nothing new to see here. Now those doing crimes in the process, that's a whole different story. That rag newsource is guilty of a crime by trying to group the criminals with the people who were just doing the protesting as to incite the general public to keep this whole thing of everyone being at opposite sides and condemning all the people of Ferguson and anyone who may want to help them make change for the better. .

Not to mention the fact that the people guilty of the rioting and looting were local HS kids looking for trouble.. not paid protestors.
 
I was responding to Bobf's post I copied below, Dame Warrigal...I should have been more specific about my response. :)

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In 2010, most of ACORN closed for various reasons. Not sure how ACORN is now active again.
 
I'm wondering the same thing. Please consider my ignorance and explain clearly because I really am wanting to understand.

ACORN was an organization of community organizers that helped poor people find resources and it also helped people register to vote. Because it was based in Chicago, the Right wing immediately wanted to connect Obama with the organization... after all he was a community organizer... SOOO they set about trying to prove ACORN was guilty of all sorts of Illegal things... One Far Right Winger went into an ACORN office and selectively edited tapes to try to implicate ACORN in illegal activities.. It was disproven over and over, but that didn't stop the Republican congress from defunding it and causing it to disband.

From above: It was all a Right Wing effort to dirty then Candidate Obama.

ACORN suffered an extremely damaging nationwide controversy beginning in the fall of 2009 after two conservative activists secretly made and released videos of staged interactions with low-level ACORN personnel in several offices, portraying them as encouraging criminal behavior. Some media publicized the videos without investigation. These videos were later found in several independent law enforcement investigations to have been partially falsified and selectively edited by the activists, James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles. [SUP][9][/SUP] The organization suffered an immediate loss of funding from government agencies with which it had contracts, and from private donors[SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP] prior to the results of any investigations. Legislative amendments to spending bills in the United States House and Senate prohibited government funding of the group.
Four different independent investigations by various state and city Attorneys General and the GAO released in 2009 and 2010 cleared ACORN, finding its employees had not engaged in the alleged criminal activities and that the organization had managed its federal funding appropriately. Their reports described the videos as deceptively edited to present the workers in the worst possible light. The loss of funds had been too damaging and by March 2010, 15 of ACORN's 30 state chapters had already closed.[SUP][10][/SUP] ACORN announced it was closing its remaining state chapters and disbanding.[SUP][13][/SUP] Some state chapters have reorganized to continue operations under different names.
 
ACORN was an organization of community organizers that helped poor people find resources and it also helped people register to vote. Because it was based in Chicago, the Right wing immediately wanted to connect Obama with the organization... after all he was a community organizer... SOOO they set about trying to prove ACORN was guilty of all sorts of Illegal things... One Far Right Winger went into an ACORN office and selectively edited tapes to try to implicate ACORN in illegal activities.. It was disproven over and over, but that didn't stop the Republican congress from defunding it and causing it to disband.

From above: It was all a Right Wing effort to dirty then Candidate Obama.

ACORN suffered an extremely damaging nationwide controversy beginning in the fall of 2009 after two conservative activists secretly made and released videos of staged interactions with low-level ACORN personnel in several offices, portraying them as encouraging criminal behavior. Some media publicized the videos without investigation. These videos were later found in several independent law enforcement investigations to have been partially falsified and selectively edited by the activists, James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles. [SUP][9][/SUP] The organization suffered an immediate loss of funding from government agencies with which it had contracts, and from private donors[SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP] prior to the results of any investigations. Legislative amendments to spending bills in the United States House and Senate prohibited government funding of the group.
Four different independent investigations by various state and city Attorneys General and the GAO released in 2009 and 2010 cleared ACORN, finding its employees had not engaged in the alleged criminal activities and that the organization had managed its federal funding appropriately. Their reports described the videos as deceptively edited to present the workers in the worst possible light. The loss of funds had been too damaging and by March 2010, 15 of ACORN's 30 state chapters had already closed.[SUP][10][/SUP] ACORN announced it was closing its remaining state chapters and disbanding.[SUP][13][/SUP] Some state chapters have reorganized to continue operations under different names.

The Democratic-controlled Senate voted 83-7 to deny ACORN access to millions of dollars in federal housing funds.
 
If you want to point to proper ways it would not be Republican or Democrat. The US electors are supposed to be represented by Congresmen and Senators from their district who are supposed to represent and vote for those districts as their electors have indicated in various public meetings. Parties are far to involved with total control of the government and will mostly ignore local problems, which they should not be doing.

Parties should not be trying to control the US at all. Congress has its own defined missions and should avoid just following party wishes for the entire country as they should be following the leads from their voting districts rather than some central party.
 
if you want to point to proper ways it would not be republican or democrat. The us electors are supposed to be represented by congresmen and senators from their district who are supposed to represent and vote for those districts as their electors have indicated in various public meetings. Parties are far to involved with total control of the government and will mostly ignore local problems, which they should not be doing.

Parties should not be trying to control the us at all. Congress has its own defined missions and should avoid just following party wishes for the entire country as they should be following the leads from their voting districts rather than some central party.


wtf?

 
Golly Jim. Some nasty implied verbiage there. Read the instructions from the Constitution. No where does it even imply party control. It is all about represented people, through their Senators or Congressmen. Not one word about a general party speaking for 'all' of the US.

Right now each party only represents about a 30% of the nations people. If it was not for the larger element of about 40% of the people swinging the votes with their inputs, neither party would have a voice at all.
 
Yes, I mentioned ACORN, because that was one of the organizations mentioned in the article I saw referenced on that site's links. Who they said was paying for protesters, I imagine there were others, but, I had other things to do than to spend the rest of the morning chasing down all their sources from their numerous convoluted nonsense. I only just returned from the great outdoors and am now seeing that list of other active or inactive organizations mentioned.
 
Anything that comes from Newsmax is immediately suspect. This sounds like typical republican BS to me.
 
Anything that comes from Newsmax is immediately suspect. This sounds like typical republican BS to me.

This type of response from some that just hate Republicans will only start more of the same types of responses from Republicans that just say 'such and such' is just what can be expected of far left Democrat ideas.

Why not just let people post with out putting down their personal political party loyalty. Both sides do have equal rights to post.
 
Bobf said:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz3acmWpseK

Hired Black Lives Matter protesters start #CutTheCheck after being stiffed by ACORN successor group
Bob, I followed your link and links within it. It does not establish that #cutthecheck is about non payment of $5,000 per month for protesting. It doesn't help that I don't understand what "cut the check" actually means.

I've watched the bits of video of the sit in, which seemed to be a small number of people upset about something but what that is is not clear. A letter referred to makes no reference to payment for protesting, much less rioting. Try as I may, I keep coming back to the same assertions that are not backed up by anything substantial.

I still don't buy the basic premise that people were offered a substantial sums on a monthly basis to take part in riotous protests. It doesn't make any sense to me.
 
Put down all you want. I just posted what was available and now I am done. No more fighting one way or the other. For someone who lives half a world away, what is the concern about the US political mess we have. To me we have moved from a semi freindly, except for election months, multi party nation to what we seem to have now. Highly hateful from one side to the other and neither side really has enough members to be a majority. Both depend on the larger group, the independents, for enough support to win. I wish we could go back to our proper ways and just elect our Congressmen and Senators from a named list for those that say they will support our district as they are really assigned.
 


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