Derek Chauvin stabbed in prison:

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againstthegrain said:
Chauvin was convicted of Floyd's murder, before Floyd was adjudicated
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Now that is eye opening. Since Floyd was dead I can see where your thinking is correct. For sure I can see your point about Chauvin being convicted before the dead Floyd was adjudicated.

If I understand you right because Chauvin was a police officer you think he deserves to be stabbed while serving his sentence.
 

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SeaBreeze said:
Nobody likes killer cops in the United States, everyone deserves a fair trial if they committed any crime. I don't hate all cops, most Americans don't, just the ones who abuse their power and commit modern day lynchings.
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How does hating this particular cop translate into those cheering the fact he was stabbed while serving his sentence?
 
Della said:
No. Do you seriously think he was killed for being asleep in his car? (He was not asleep.)
Do people seriously think he was killed for passing a bad bill? No.

George Floyd was killed during a struggle with the police while resisting arrest. The fact that there was a struggle was Floyd's fault. The fact that Chauvin lost control during the struggle was Chauvin's fault and for that he should have been punished and was.
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Della we saw the video...all of us around the world...the man was asleep in his car
 

Della said:
You just said it yourself, Againstthegrain, at 15:30 the junior cop said to the senior cop, Chauvin, that they might try to turn him on his side and Chauvin told him no. Yet he, Kueng and Thomas Lane, that nice, patient young black cop, both on their first week policing are now in prison because of the sweeping hatred of all cops that this incident sparked.
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Not true.. nothing to do with hatred of cops...they were jailed for being an accessory to a murder just in the same way as in some states in the USA you don't have to be the one holding the gun when someone gets killed you only have to be there.. and they were there.. and did nothing to help that man who was begging to be allowed to breathe..
 
hollydolly said:
this is a poor version of what we saw....

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Doesn't show him asleep. Shows a police officer tapping on the drivers side window to get his attention while the other person in the car is being asked to exit the vehicle. Once out lack of cooperation is evident.
The rest is documented thru the various stages of how the justice system works.
Now were up to the point where justice will need to be put in place again for judging the person responsible for stabbing Chauvin.

Meanwhile it seems like in the court of public opinion there are people happy with the fact that Chauvin was stabbed while serving his sentence for the crime he committed.
 
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yes as I said this is a poor version... ..

regardless..there's still no excuse to beat the man to death, he didn't fight them, he didn't pull out a weapon on them...
 
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Knight said:
How does hating this particular cop translate into those cheering the fact he was stabbed while serving his sentence?
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I'm not cheering it, and I don't think others are. But, he killed a man for no good reason and he is in prison where he belongs.

He is not the first prisoner to experience an assault in the slammer, and he won't be the last.

He is not special, not to be given special favors or attention. You play, you pay, he is like any other guilty prisoners and will face pushback by his fellow inmates.

I'll repeat.....Mr. Floyd would welcome a knife in the gut as opposed to a knee on his neck that led to the end of his life on earth.

I don't hate bad killer cops, but I certainly don't put them on a pedestal over other inmates. I don't make excuses for any murderers.
 
hollydolly said:
yes as I said this is a poor version... ..

regardless..there's still no excuse to beat the man to death, he didn't fight them, he didn't pull out a weapon them...
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First you say he was asleep when he's shown sitting straight up with his head turned all the way to the right talking to his friend and now you say he was beaten to death, when no one ever raised a club or fist to him. He was pulled from the police car, at his request, and placed on the ground, then held there while Chauvin put his knee on his throat. Call it choked to death if you want, but he was never beaten.

No one on this thread has said that Chauvin was innocent of wrong doing. I don't see the need to make up things about the incident that never happened to make him look even worse, he's already doing twice the time most murderers get. Now it seems stabbing wasn't enough for some people either.
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I'll bet if we looked at 30 minute videos of all the murderers in prison committing their crimes, Chauvin would be way down on the list of most heinous criminal.

I keep thinking of his mother. During the trial there was always a big crowd of supporters on the prosecution's side, along with about 20 lawyers. On Chauvin's side there were no supporters and only one lawyer. His mother never came to watch because she would get too upset, but she overcame her fear and shyness to speak on his behalf before the final sentencing. She was so nervous she got things like the dates wrong but you could tell she loved her son very much, she said he came to visit her almost every day. Now he's been stabbed and I read that she had not been informed, but heard it on the news.
 
Della said:
First you say he was asleep when he's shown sitting straight up with his head turned all the way to the right talking to his friend and now you say he was beaten to death, when no one ever raised a club or fist to him. He was pulled from the police car, at his request, and placed on the ground, then held there while Chauvin put his knee on his throat. Call it choked to death if you want, but he was never beaten.

No one on this thread has said that Chauvin was innocent of wrong doing. I don't see the need to make up things about the incident that never happened to make him look even worse, he's already doing twice the time most murderers get. Now it seems stabbing wasn't enough for some people either.
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I'll bet if we looked at 30 minute videos of all the murderers in prison committing their crimes, Chauvin would be way down on the list of most heinous criminal.

I keep thinking of his mother. During the trial there was always a big crowd of supporters on the prosecution's side, along with about 20 lawyers. On Chauvin's side there were no supporters and only one lawyer. His mother never came to watch because she would get too upset, but she overcame her fear and shyness to speak on his behalf before the final sentencing. She was so nervous she got things like the dates wrong but you could tell she loved her son very much, she said he came to visit her almost every day. Now he's been stabbed and I read that she had not been informed, but heard it on the news.
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are you for real..the whole world saw him be dragged to the floor, and choked to death while he begged for his life...that's not being beaten ?.....are you serious...really ?..

Chauvin, as the majority of the western world knows... including his own colleagues was a vicious murderer who wasn't afraid to kill someone over $20... in full view of bystanders, recordings.. and cameras... even his own family didn't go to the Court to support him because they know what a piece of excrement he is...he deserves every beating that's coming to him...and you just want to hope that someone like Chauvin doesn't do the same to a member of YOUR family..your tune will change then
 
SeaBreeze said:
I'm not cheering it, and I don't think others are. But, he killed a man for no good reason and he is in prison where he belongs.

He is not the first prisoner to experience an assault in the slammer, and he won't be the last.

He is not special, not to be given special favors or attention. You play, you pay, he is like any other guilty prisoners and will face pushback by his fellow inmates.

I'll repeat.....Mr. Floyd would welcome a knife in the gut as opposed to a knee on his neck that led to the end of his life on earth.

I don't hate bad killer cops, but I certainly don't put them on a pedestal over other inmates. I don't make excuses for any murderers.
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the irony is of course.. that he was a beater of prisoners... those he'd taken into custody... and now he's bleating about being attacked as a prisoner...awww diddums...what goes around comes around...
 
A civilized country should be responsible for the safety of people it locks up no matter who they are or how much people around the world hate them.

Even a dog pound would be shut down if it could not protect the animals it took into custody.

As a country we are not responsible for the blood lust of people who hate someone in custody as long as they don’t act on it. But we do need to do more for the safety of prisoners out of common decency, if nothing else. Allowing things like this to happen and they happen often, is wrong.

We have a justice system. Chauvin was tried by two juries, found guilty twice and sentenced. Stabbing was not part of the sentence.
 
hollydolly said:
yes as I said this is a poor version... ..

regardless..there's still no excuse to beat the man to death, he didn't fight them, he didn't pull out a weapon on them...
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He was judged for that and sentenced. IMO why he was put thru the justice system doesn't make him deserving of being stabbed.

From post #1 article.

"In a statement, the agency said responding employees contained the incident and performed 'life-saving measures' before the inmate, who it did not name, was taken to a hospital for further treatment and evaluation."

Would it be of interest to find out the name & ethnicity of the inmate that did the stabbing? Or is it only when white police officers are exposed for wrong doing that is relevant?
 
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Della said:
Oxford definition of beating
"a punishment or assault in which the victim is hit repeatedly."
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oooh now we're becoming pedantic...ok when my father kicked me in my spine.. and broke my back he didn't beat me...when the guy in the street attacked another guy and hit him with one punch knocking him down and killed him, he didn't beat him....

...... grasping at straws now... you're argument is weaker than water..
 
againstthegrain said:
Nobody cares about prisons unless a white, ex-cop serving time for killing a black man gets stabbed in one.
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You’ve made your point that you don’t care and you’ve made my point that something needs to be done about the penal system.

It‘s interesting to see people argue FOR crime and imply that others are racist because they defend law and order.
 
"something needs to be done" LOL

How about don't commit crimes in the first place and you won't find yourself in a prison as per the commentary above regarding Floyd avoiding being killed.
 
RadishRose said:
I don't think attempted murder is something that should be ignored.
The victim in this case is serving time already for his offense.
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The bad part of this is there is just enough in the article to peak interest in it happening.
If this was truly followed thru then race, motive, & the decision to try the attacker as either racially motivated as in race crime , or was it because the attacker was pissed that Chauvin took pretzels off his food tray.

Clearly stabbing is OK for some if these comments are any indication,

Oh well. I'm surprised it took o long.
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy....
I hope whoever did it stood there with their hands in their pockets... watching him bleed...it's the least he deserved..
 
againstthegrain said:
"something needs to be done" LOL

How about don't commit crimes in the first place and you won't find yourself in a prison as per the commentary above regarding Floyd avoiding being killed.
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Or how about not resisting arrest. Complying with a lawful order should be the reaction of anyone RIGHT!
 

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