Caitlyn

applecruncher said:
Heard more tonight about the surgeries and photo session. Some things I was wondering about were cleared up.
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I really haven't cared enough to read up on the details... but now you have me curious.. guess I have to find out the nitty gritty... lol!!
 

Cookie said:
Thanks for the entertainment. How does another old news sex change warrant so much media hype, I wonder.

Give us women more credit. I would sooner be jealous of a warthog! Jenner followed his dream and now he is a she, like many others, so what.

I would be more impressed by actual life saving medical breakthroughs, wouldn't you?
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Oh yes.........but the thread has been entertaining. For the most part.
 
The phenomena that a transgender child experiences of feeling like girl but having the body of a boy (or the other way around) are very hard to wrap your mind around. As I was growing up I felt like I was me. I knew I was a boy, and I had learned by experience what was expected of a boy, but I don't recall any innate messages coming from deep inside me that said this is how it should feel to be a boy. It's these deeply innate gender specific messages that the transgender child experiences very profoundly because they are contradict what he is being told. I think what fascinates people about the transgender phenomena is the existence of this deeply innate gender identification feelings, which if you're not transgender you're hardly aware of because the messages from the outside completely agree with the messages from the inside.
 
IMO, he should have let his body alone and just dressed like a female and put makeup on. Personally, I think that he is a sick person. One thing that he cannot change is his male DNA. I also don't understand why so many people are good with his transformation. I can go along with people wanting to be happy, but is he? I would like to look 25 again, but that's not going to happen.

He, she can do whatever. It's none of my business. However, the person is 60-something and just now decided to do this.
 
oldman said:
IMO, he should have let his body alone and just dressed like a female and put makeup on. Personally, I think that he is a sick person. One thing that he cannot change is his male DNA. I also don't understand why so many people are good with his transformation. I can go along with people wanting to be happy, but is he? I would like to look 25 again, but that's not going to happen.

He, she can do whatever. It's none of my business. However, the person is 60-something and just now decided to do this.
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He probably just finally decided to do what he'd wanted to all his life because he's had to deal with just such attitudes of being called sick or perverted or told to just deal with it. Where did he say he wanted to look 25?
 
Annie, I don't think OM meant that Jenner said anything about looking 25, I think he was saying HE (OM) would like to look 25 again (meaning surgery changes nothing really). At least that's the way I read it.
 
Wow, I'm out of touch for three days and there's a major shootout.

My opinion......be a woman, be a man, your choice. As long as I don't have to pay for the transformation, I have no dog in the fight. But I do have to agree that there has to be some MAJOR photoshopping or maybe some spackling done there. No way did he go from Bruce Jenner wanting to look like a woman to Bruce Jenner being a rather stunning woman in that short amount of time.
 
AZ Jim said:
Annie, I don't think OM meant that Jenner said anything about looking 25, I think he was saying HE (OM) would like to look 25 again (meaning surgery changes nothing really). At least that's the way I read it.
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Gotcha. Think you're right.
 
Personally, I don't relate to the whole thing. Surgery, hormones, sexy clothes, makeup, hairstyle, provocative poses, etc. still don't make him a woman, IMO. He is a transgendered man to me. He has my sympathy, but I don't really get it. He's got the DNA of a man, but his mind is that of a woman. He even had the hormones of a man. He's not gay either. To me it seems like a condition that is mental. But he's very very rich and can pay the money to do what he wants, as do so many others. So no, I don't understand how it works, but I don't have to.
 
As I think I mentioned before (although probably before many of you joined this forum) we have longtime friends (well,a friend now as the wife died suddenly last year) whose daughter is in the process of gender reassignment. I was in the delivery room when Sarah was born 25 years ago and growing up she always seemed like a very happy girly-girl. Then as a teen she got a little outlandish-green hair,gauges in her ears) and on high school graduation day came out to her parents that she was gay. Then,about two years ago,she told them she identified as male and was going to seek gender reassignment. I don`t know too much about what is going on with him right now because there was a rift between him and his dad when his dad became engaged to another woman a few months after his mom died. And the new woman has a young adult daughter who is very ill and requires frequent visits to the Children`s Hospital in san Francisco so we don`t get to visit with our friend much. But I did see on Sarah (now Spencer) FB page that he and his gf (same girl he was with before) have moved from San Francisco to Seattle,WA and appear to be doing well. Spencer now has a goatee and looks very male. Don`t know what,if any,surgery he has had. Although I was a bit shocked at first,I now feel that if he`s happy,what business is it of mine? I feel the same about Caitlyn Jenner. I don`t read any of the articles about her because I really don`t care. I did start to watch the TV interview but lost interest very quickly and changed the channel. I just don`t see that it`s newsworthy.
 
Although I was a bit shocked at first,I now feel that if he`s happy,what business is it of mine? I feel the same about Caitlyn Jenner. I don`t read any of the articles about her because I really don`t care. I did start to watch the TV interview but lost interest very quickly and changed the channel. I just don`t see that it`s newsworthy.
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Mrs R, I hear what you’re saying. But the Kardashian/Jenner lives are not private. They have willingly and enthusiastically made their personal lives everyone’s business, and they have made a LOT of money from doing that.
 
applecruncher said:
Mrs R, I hear what you’re saying. But the Kardashian/Jenner lives are not private. They have willingly and enthusiastically made their personal lives everyone’s business, and they have made a LOT of money from doing that.
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Not only has he and the K's sought the limelight at every turn in the past but now Jenner has a new series coming to TV called "I am Cait" which premiers July 28. I won't be watching.
 
I agree. They do make every aspect of their lives public (or at least so it seems) so why not this. But it doesn`t mean any of us has to watch or listen to it. You know,I didn`t even know who the Kardashians were until way late in the game-I guess I have to say I still don`t know much about them or even how many of them there are. Those kinds of shows just aren`t something I watch or follow. Just don`t have any interest.
 
If I had his money, as well as the inclination to have surgeries, Hell... I'd just as soon look forty rather than 60.. who wouldn't. So I don't think that's strange at all. However, he has chosen to make all this public. Most women "having a little work done" don't.. AND most women aren't famous so no one really cares anyway.
 
However, he has chosen to make all this public
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Yes, QS, that is what some people (especially the one who has gotten so angry/furious and blasted posters) seem to be conveniently forgetting (or ignoring). Bruce/Caitlyn CHOSE to make it public. Maybe a small part of the reason was to "help" other transgendered people, but Caitlyn will also make a HUGE amount of money - and you can be sure it won't all go to charity (if any). The motive was not altruism.

As far as the new Caitlyn TV show, I don't have the E! channel, and I'm not going to get it. And Mrs. R, while it's true "we" don't have to watch it, but even if nobody on SF watches it, it won't make any difference. Millions of others will.
 
Where is the compassion for this individual's decades long struggle? Public or not, this type of conflict drives people to suicide, as this therapist is well aware. I applaud her courage. No one but she knows what her true gender is. I am saddened by the reaction of many on this thread, I think it is time for me to walk away from the gender police. Lol.
 
This post and it's replies taught me one thing, some here who have professed friendship proved how fragile it was to begin with. Maybe that's the good of it, it flushed out hypocrisy of those whose "friendship" can end on a single difference of opinion. To that extent, thank you Bruce.
 
Shalimar said:
Where is the compassion for this individual's decades long struggle? Public or not, this type of conflict drives people to suicide, as this therapist is well aware. I applaud her courage. No one but she knows what her true gender is. I am saddened by the reaction of many on this thread, I think it is time for me to walk away from the gender police. Lol.
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Maybe it is. If you feel you need to lecture people whose opinion differs then do what you need to do. No one is evil here. No one wishes him harm. No one has expressed any such feelings.
 
Shalimar said:
Where is the compassion for this individual's decades long struggle? Public or not, this type of conflict drives people to suicide, as this therapist is well aware. I applaud her courage. No one but she knows what her true gender is. I am saddened by the reaction of many on this thread, I think it is time for me to walk away from the gender police. Lol.
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What ever happened to people having the right in this forum to discuss their opinion? Because we all don't gush and goosh over Bruce's decisions and the results, doesn't mean we don't understand that he must have had a difficult time for the last 65 years hiding his true gender identity.. IT must have been hard for him.... we get that... but do we all have to think he is the most georgeous stunning "woman" that ever lived to prove to you that we feel sorry for him? No... sorry... I still think he looks like a Vegas drag queen.. and that's how it is. But if he is happy now.. more power to him. He paid for it... he deserves it.
 
quicksilver said:
what ever happened to people having the right in this forum to discuss their opinion? Because we all don't gush and goosh over bruce's decisions and the results doesn't mean we don't understand that he must have had a difficult time for the last 65 years hiding his true gender identity.. It must have been hard for him.... We get that... But do we all have to think he is the most georgeous stunning "woman" that ever lived to prove to you that we feel sorry for him? No... Sorry... I still think he looks like a vegas drag queen.. And how it is. But if he is happy now.. More power to him. He paid for it... He deserves it.
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ditto
 
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