New Video Shows Thousands of Migrants Headed on Foot to Southern US Border

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Thousands of migrants are traveling from southern Mexico to reach the United States border, according to footage shared online.

The footage, shared by Mexican news channel Fuerza Informativa Azteca, shows a group estimated to contain up to 7,000 people from countries in South and Central America, heading across Mexico by foot in the direction of the U.S. border.

According to data compiled by the Department of Homeland Security, the number of people apprehended at the US southern border exceeded two million both in the 2022 and the 2023 fiscal years.

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Days traveling. No explanation about food, water, bathroom facilities. And no explanation about what will happen when they reach the border. Maybe better question is why this massive group wasn't stopped at Mexico's southern border.
 

The border should be closed for at least two years if not more. IMO. It is tearing our country apart. I want us to make some peace with ourselves for awhile, if still possible. The plight of the migrants is not worth it.

As my mother used to say "we can't take care of everyone" and we are certainly failing ourselves. There are migrants in my neighborhood dressed poorly yet with cell phones and expensive blue tooth ear thingys.

Close it completely, to anyone and everyone.
 
Did the last thread on this topic get deleted? Or am I being a silly-billy?

Pepper - the tearing apart of the nation isn't down to immigrants, they're simply being used as a scapegoat by particular individuals. It's an easy way to rile the crowds and appear as though they love the nation while at the same time undermining what makes America the terrific nation it is.

Closing the border totally is a gross over-reaction, imo.
 

I don't deny the truth of what you say, Vaughn. I know they are being used, on some level. On most, WE feel used. The hate of Americans toward each other leads me to sacrifice the migrants. Even if it is just for show; the migrants are too much for most people and the people already here must be respected. We are tearing each other apart. Yes, a gross over reaction perhaps; a shallow overture; one that I am willing to try just for perception.

I can't go deeper into my reasoning due to political restrictions on the board. It overlaps.

Am I wrong? Nothing new there, but I know my fellow Americans. They need a bone, and the need for this story to lessen is one way. Or else. I'm warning 'or else.' This is 2024. Need I say more?
 
There is so much global unrest at the present that it is hard for me to see the border crisis as anything that special. Immigration is a huge problem in many other countries. For the past 100 years we have polluted our planet, and have been guided by beliefs that are damaging to human well-being. The accumulation of wealth and the idea of private ownership has run it's course. Plus it has created a world that is becoming unlivable. Wars, famines, climate disasters, economic disparity, and hunger are spreading across the globe like a pandemic.

The future of America with all these immigrants jumping the fence is just another of the unsolvable problems we have created for ourselves. America led the world into this mess, maybe it time to pay the piper.
 
Pepper said:
I don't deny the truth of what you say, Vaughn. I know they are being used, on some level. On most, WE feel used. The hate of Americans toward each other leads me to sacrifice the migrants. Even if it is just for show; the migrants are too much for most people and the people already here must be respected. We are tearing each other apart. Yes, a gross over reaction perhaps; a shallow overture; one that I am willing to try just for perception.

I can't go deeper into my reasoning due to political restrictions on the board. It overlaps.

Am I wrong? Nothing new there, but I know my fellow Americans. They need a bone, and the need for this story to lessen is one way. Or else. I'm warning 'or else.' This is 2024. Need I say more?
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Sure, we could debate this forever, and neither of us has any control over what will happen! :D

I think simply closing the borders would mark a very very dark day for the US. Think about it, you'd be turning your back on the rest of the world. It would mark a complete change from your roots as a nation. It would also very much suit certain politicians in their quest for a dictatorship.

Now, our perspectives are different. Firstly, *I* was an immigrant into the US for 18 years. I was then an immigrant into Germany. I've worked as an immigrant in Australia. Being an immigrant isn't inherently bad, imo. Also, don't believe all the stories that these current immigrants are all thieves, perverts, diseased and looking to take over. It's just drama.

I do agree with you that something must be done, and that there can't be millions of people landing on your doorstep. Remember, this isn't a US problem, Europe is deluged too. These people will get here legally, or illegally. We need to tackle this issue in the big picture, imo.

People are getting poorer. If you're in the US or UK, and working in a decent job, you're likely to have had to tighten your belt. I know I have. Inflation went up, prices climbed, energy barons keep putting their hand in your pocket. THAT is the problem. Because imagine what such things do to people who already have nothing?

The immigrants, for me, represent the "there by the grace of God go I". We're ALL being driven into poverty by a system that is over-rewarding the 1%, and pushing down the 99%. We need to tackle that.

But please don't damage the reputation of your great nation while you work through it. And don't forget, 11% of the US's budget is Export/Import.

This is a tough one, for sure.
 
I live in Texas and am very familiar with the immigrant movement. Everyone seems to think this is a new problem but we have seen this for my entire lifetime. To some, they see only the negative. Yes, there are bad people that come but there are many more that are hard working people seeking a better life for their family.

So many of those we have here, US citizens, are criminal, take advantage of government programs but they do not face outrage we want to place on immigrants. I would trade many US citizens for those that come to our borders to work hard and build a better life. They don't want a hand out, they want to have the oppurtunity to work hard to provide a good life.

We forget all those that came over from Europe, past that Statue of Liberty, worked hard and are part of the American dream.
 
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I live in Texas and am very familiar with the immigrant movement. Everyone seems to think this is a new problem but we have seen this for my entire lifetime. To some, they see only the negative. Yes, there are bad people that come but there are many more that are hard working people seeking a better life for their family.

So many of those we have here, US citizens, are criminal, take advantage of government programs but they do not face outrage we want to place on immigrants. I would trade many US citizens for those that come to our borders to work hard and build a better life. They don't want a hand out, they want to have the oppurtunity to work hard to provide a good life.

We forget all those that came over from Europe, past that Statue of Liberty, worked hard and are part of the American dream.
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That has been the case. It is fascinating that you have personal experience with this. The problem now is there is a job scarcity in America already without 1000's more people looking for work. I feel like most jobs that are available now are service jobs. The immigrants look for service work also. They will overcrowd the market place unless our economy starts functioning again.
 
Blessed said:
I live in Texas and am very familiar with the immigrant movement. Everyone seems to think this is a new problem but we have seen this for my entire lifetime. To some, they see only the negative. Yes, there are bad people that come but there are many more that are hard working people seeking a better life for their family.

So many of those we have here, US citizens, are criminal, take advantage of government programs but they do not face outrage we want to place on immigrants. I would trade many US citizens for those that come to our borders to work hard and build a better life. They don't want a hand out, they want to have the oppurtunity to work hard to provide a good life.

We forget all those that came over from Europe, past that Statue of Liberty, worked hard and are part of the American dream.
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I lived in Houston. There was a lot of house building going on, and without Mexicans, everything would have stopped. My personal gardener (not something that's unusual to have in Houston, since it's so damn hot and humid) was also Mexican. It's just the way it is down there.

The demonization of these people is heinous, imo. Campaign against immigration if you don't like it, but I wish people would stop with all the demonization. These are not a crowd of diseased criminals looking for a freebie.

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That has been the case. It is fascinating that you have personal experience with this. The problem now is there is a job scarcity in America already without 1000's more people looking for work. I feel like most jobs that are available now are service jobs. The immigrants look for service work also. They will overcrowd the market place unless our economy starts functioning again.
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Two-thirds of the US economy comes from the service industries.
 
Many Russians crossing the southern border are criminals and wind up in my neighborhood and they are "white." If not criminals here, yet, they are draft dodging their own country. Not that I blame that. I have Russian Mafia in my neighborhood. They are almost always Christian.

There's really so few ways for me to discuss this issue without resorting to politics. If not for 2024, some of my views might be more lenient. 2024 is utmost on my mind........
 
The cold hard truth is that Americn citizens do not, won't do this work. No it is not easy work but many prefer to collect benefits than make an honest effort to work hard, go to school to learn a trade for a better future. Immigrants have no problem with this, they want to work and learn things that will give them more opportunity in the workplace.

I find so many Americans look down on them. I see them as hardworking people who will do anything, work hard for their family and want to become contributing members of our country if only given a chance. Yes, they should go through the proper channels to become citizens but if your children were starving, suffering, sick, had no access to education what would you do? For me, I would swim a river of alligators to have the chance at a better life for my babies.
 
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The cold hard truth is that Americn citizens do not, won't do this work.
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And the cold hard truth is that migrants, in my area, are complaining that they have to travel "far" by bus to get to a particular subway stop. In NYC, the word far is near. They should WALK. Their metro cards are free. Their attitude disgusts me and I am speaking of Young Men. They are protesting! Chutzpah!!

My parents and grandparents had to walk to find/do work. And they did, with no free nothing. I used to usually WALK one way when I worked at E. 90th St. from E. 13th St. NYC is the walking capital of the world. I did it for health and for the pleasure of gawking Manhattan.

My grandma walked the Brooklyn Bridge, both ways, to save on carfare. Those Young Men are complaining to the wrong person.
 
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Pepper said:
Many Russians crossing the southern border are criminals and wind up in my neighborhood and they are "white." If not criminals here, yet, they are draft dodging their own country. Not that I blame that. I have Russian Mafia in my neighborhood. They are almost always Christian.

There's really so few ways for me to discuss this issue without resorting to politics. If not for 2024, some of my views might be more lenient. 2024 is utmost on my mind........
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I wonder if we have to make these issues political. When I think of New York, I think of a very crowded place with 1000's of diverse groups trying to survive. Each area in the city has it's unique melodrama's. I will go so far as to say it will take a universal basic income to start alleviating the divisions there. We know that is not going to happen. I feel for you being there, and being so aware of the strife. Your not alone, I am sure. Maybe you could get away and come and stay with us on our farm. :)
 
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I wonder if we have to make these issues political. When I think of New York, I think of a very crowded place with 1000's of diverse groups trying to survive. Each area in the city has it's unique melodrama's. I will go so far as to say it will take a universal basic income to start alleviating the divisions there. We know that is not going to happen. I feel for you being there, and being so aware of the strife. Your not alone, I am sure. Maybe you could get away and come and stay with us on our farm. :)
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Don't say that, farm living is the place for me, land spreading out so far and wide, take Manhattan and give me the countryside!!

I am sure you know those words, but it is true I would love to live on a farm, take care of animals, gather eggs, plant and harvest a garden. I grew up doing those things on a much smaller scale but it was magic, such fun for a kid!! I do grow a few things in the backyard for the fun of it. Nothing like going out early morning to check your veggies to see how they are doing. Then when the time comes taking you grandson out to pick the product. I find kids eat more veggies when they see them grow and are able to pick them from the vine.
 
Blessed said:
Yes, they should go through the proper channels to become citizens but if your children were starving, suffering, sick, had no access to education what would you do? For me, I would swim a river of alligators to have the chance at a better life for my babies.
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See, I don't even care if it doesn't change people's minds, I just feel that too few seem to have a thought beyond the "build a wall". Where will these people go? What will they eat? What will their kids do? They can't go back to the country due to war/danger, and they can't get in the US. Fine, I appreciate there's a right way to do it (I've been through it myself!) and that's all well and good. But if you care about them or not, I don't see an ounce of humanity, from a Christian nation no less. It's a real shame.

Asking yourself, "what would I do", and then trying to figure out an alternative for these people ought to be on peoples minds. Not to change your mind, but just to truly get a grip is what is going on. People see a migrant wanting to get in the country, but they too often never ask, "why are they here?" or "what else can they do?" Let alone "what would I do?"

Basically, by the time they've arrived at the border, it's too late. This needs to be tackled way before that. Countries are not taking responsibility. Mexico has responsibility for these people right now, but they're doing nothing to prevent people reaching the US border because they hope the problem will go away. We have the same in Europe. The UK is being inundated with boats full of migrants. But where did those boats enter the water? Largely - France. But France, apparently, doesn't know how to stop it. More like - they want a migrant problem to go away.

Basically, everyone is dropping the ball, while migrants are being weaponized.
 
perplexed said:
Let them come legally and wait their turn like they are supposed to do.We have our own homeless problems in this country not to mention our elderly population barely making ends meet. I am all for helping others but take care of our own population first.
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Not having a coherient and workable immigration policy has been a stumbling block since(at least) the '60s. Politicians would rather keep the immigration issue weaponized for political gain, as immigrants are the "them" in the "US vs Them" political theater. The US wants cheap labor, that's why China makes our goods, we need immigrants for cheap labor in the service sector of the economy, but WE pretend to be the 'victim' instead of the perpetrator.
 
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Let them come legally and wait their turn like they are supposed to do.We have our own homeless problems in this country not to mention our elderly population barely making ends meet. I am all for helping others but take care of our own population first.
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Seems so simple, doesn't it... and so many just don't get it. So open minded that brains and common sense fall out and splatter onto the pavement. Sometimes I wonder how much of the indignation of those who seem not to understand is virtue signaling... probably a great deal if I'd have to guess.
 
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"Basically, everyone is dropping the ball, while migrants are being weaponized."

I don't think weaponized is correct. The massive influx over the last two years has brought home the cost to local & federal government to support schools, health care, housing & feeding of ILLEGAL imigrants. The ball has been dropped for a very long time. The difference IMO is the cost is surfacing in the media because sanctuary cities are feeling the impact. Key to all this the word ILLEGAL.

Illegal imigration is nothing new, the difference in my opinion is due to recent media coverage of the massive quantity that has entered with thousands more projected to try.

Then there is the "they will do jobs Americans won't" That's true but that as a concept that IMO has a limit or a job saturation point. Is it really possible that the addition of 4 million illegals plus more on the way would be hired?

Seeking a better life is understandable, but lost in wanting to care for those seeking the better life is there is a right way & a wrong way. And no matter how compassionate one might be the wrong way is still wrong.
 
Nathan said:
Not having a coherient and workable immigration policy has been a stumbling block since(at least) the '60s. Politicians would rather keep the immigration issue weaponized for political gain, as immigrants are the "them" in the "US vs Them" political theater. The US wants cheap labor, that's why China makes our goods, we need immigrants for cheap labor in the service sector of the economy, but WE pretend to be the 'victim' instead of the perpetrator.
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I can't respond because it would be considered political.
 
This problem won't be solved because it's a lot more complicated than "build a wall," "make them get here legally," etc. The fact is, our dirty little secret (or not so secret) is that we need the migrants because they are willing to work for a sub-minimum wage. We need them to plant and harvest our crops. Americans don't want those jobs; in fact, Americans don't seem to want any kind of jobs, especially since Covid. Many young people apparently got used to working from home, or even being unemployed.

Been to a restaurant lately, or a regular brick and mortar store? How many employees were there to serve you? Were there enough? If not, why not? So there's lots of noise being made about keeping out the "illegals," but the fact is, we need them, so big business looks the other way.

In the supermarket the other day, I noticed that nearly everyone bagging groceries, stocking shelves, etc. was speaking Spanish. They had a sign up near the door practically pleading for people to apply for jobs there. But the immigrants seem to be the only ones interested.

I like the immigrants in general. Most of the ones I've met are friendly and law-abiding, not too different from our own parents and grandparents when they first got here from Europe or wherever. They are here to work, not to kill us. Most of them want to fit in and become Americans ASAP, which has always been part of our tradition. And unfortunately, every immigrant group has faced hatred, prejudice, fear, and lies about them. It's no different now.
 
VaughanJB said:
Did the last thread on this topic get deleted? Or am I being a silly-billy?

Pepper - the tearing apart of the nation isn't down to immigrants, they're simply being used as a scapegoat by particular individuals. It's an easy way to rile the crowds and appear as though they love the nation while at the same time undermining what makes America the terrific nation it is.

Closing the border totally is a gross over-reaction, imo.
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Those “migrants“ are taking jobs away from American citizens. Many of them bring drugs, weapons, and are members of extremely unwelcome gangs and anti-American Middle Eastern elements. As for “closing the border” the United States has a right, and obligation to its citizens, to control immigration in a lawful properly administered manner. Wading the Rio Grande is not a legal method of entry. Those who disagree might want to try strolling the streets of San Francisco on a dark night. I am a frequent visitor to San Francisco. There are large areas of the city where I would never risk parking my car.
 
ElCastor said:
Those “migrants“ are taking jobs away from American citizens. Many of them bring drugs, weapons, and are members of extremely unwelcome gangs and anti-American Middle Eastern elements. As for “closing the border” the United States has a right, and obligation to its citizens, to control immigration in a lawful properly administered manner. Wading the Rio Grande is not a legal method of entry. Those who disagree might want to try strolling the streets of San Francisco on a dark night. I am a frequent visitor to San Francisco. There are large areas of the city where I would never risk parking my car.
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Sounds familiar....ElCastor 2024! :p
 

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