We have to "store our rainfall"...

AZ Jim

R.I.P. With Us In Spirit Only
If this is to be our climate change scenario, floods then drought, we must develop more and more effective ways to store it. Also, we are so fond of pipelines let's bring water from snow-melt, etc. to the places that have NO water.

[h=1]Texas planners look to aquifers to prepare for next drought[/h]news.yahoo.com/texas-planners-look-aquifers-prepare-next-drought-144327495--finance.html
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This photo provided by the San Antonio Water System shows the Twin Oaks Aquifer Storage and Recovery site in far south Bexar County, Texas on Sept. 23, 2011. Although torrential storms in May essentially ended one of Texas’ worst-ever droughts, water planners wary of the next inevitable dry spell are looking into technology that would pump rainwater underground for use in drier times. (San Antonio Water System via AP)



LUBBOCK, Texas (AP) — The torrential storms of last month essentially ended one of Texas' worst-ever droughts, but much of the excess water has already flowed into the Gulf of Mexico or will evaporate by year's end.



With a wary eye toward the next prolonged dry-streak that inevitably will come, some think expanding the use of underground aquifers may help slake the thirst of Texas' rapidly growing population.
Three trillion gallons of water gushed from swollen Texas rivers into the Gulf of Mexico in May, and another 2 trillion gallons will likely evaporate from state reservoirs by year's end. Combined, the lost water would be enough to serve Texas' booming population for an entire year.
If widely implemented, aquifer storage and recovery would be among the major additions to the state's water infrastructure since scores of reservoirs were built following the historic drought of the 1950s.
Aquifers are naturally occurring underground layers of rock that can hold vast amounts of water, which can be brought to the surface by pumping or through natural means, such as springs. Some are replenished easily through natural means, such as streams and seepage, while others recharge more slowly but can be replenished manually with pumped-in water. One major benefit of aquifers is that their water doesn't evaporate, which makes them an ideal water source in warmer climates.



Texas has only three of the nation's 133 aquifer storage and recovery facilities, but studies are underway to determine where new ones could be built in the state, which had its driest year ever in 2011, causing lakes to dry up and forcing many cities to heavily restrict water use.
"I think it will be a long time before (water) professionals forget about the drought," said Bill Mullican, a former administrator with the Texas Water Development Board who recently helped write legislation that removes hurdles to building the aquifer storage and pumping facilities. "I think the drought is going to have a significant effect on our long-term planning."



The pumping stations, which can inject water into aquifers during wet times and withdraw it when needed, have been widely used in warm climates such as Las Vegas and Tampa, where precious amounts of surface water would be lost to evaporation.
In Texas — the nation's second most populous state — aquifer pumping represents a relatively quick option to help meet the fast-growing demand for water. While reservoir construction can take decades to complete, aquifer facilities require about half a decade.



And for Texas, time is a major factor.

Its population is expected to grow by 82 percent in the next half century, and its water needs by more than 40 percent by 2060. With enough pumping facilities, the state could draw on an estimated storage capacity of about 163 trillion gallons — or more than 15 times its current drinking water reservoir capacity — in aquifers, according to water development board data.
San Antonio is one of the few places in Texas that uses the method. The San Antonio Water System paid $210 million to open its facility, which for the last decade has been pumping water from the naturally recharging Edwards Aquifer to another aquifer about 20 miles away through an underground, 60-inch pipe. The Carrizo Aquifer, which lies deeper than the Edwards and where the water moves more slowly, has taken in about 1 billion gallons of water since the start of May.



At least 20 Texas water entities are considering the idea, including the one for Tarrant County, which is home to about 1.7 million residents and the city of Fort Worth.
Utilizing aquifers may not be possible for parts of Texas.
"It all depends on the formations that you're dealing with. It is really very location-specific," said Aubrey Spear, the director of water utilities in Lubbock. That agency is researching a plan to pump water into the Ogallala Aquifer, which is one of the world's largest and sits beneath eight states.
The Legislature recently passed a bill that encourages the expansion of aquifer pumping, spurring more water suppliers to undertake their own feasibility studies.
After enduring an historic drought in the 1950s, Texas built more than 125 major reservoirs from 1957-1980. The most recent drought prompted some communities to build facilities that turn toilet water into tap water. Others are exploring the feasibility of building desalination plants along the coast that could convert seawater to drinkable water.



May was the wettest month on record in Texas, and 35 trillion new gallons of rainwater helped swell the state's reservoirs to levels not seen since the latest drought set in more than four years ago. Reservoirs are inefficient, though, due to evaporation, and the major ones lose as much as 2.3 trillion gallons of water per year, according to the Texas Water Development Board.
This has some critics questioning the state's water plan, which calls for the creation of nearly 30 new reservoirs over the next several decades.
Amy Hardberger, a water law attorney and hydrogeologist, said storing water underground is a quicker, more effective approach than expanding reservoirs. But she urged caution to ensure there aren't unintended consequences.
"We need to be wary of something being a silver bullet," she said. "There's just not going to be one for water."
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If we dry up California's food crop growers, where will we get produce? What will it cost? We have to find ways to store so it's not feast or famine. We've been spoiled.
 
I always come back to this.. With the earth consisting of 71% to 75% water, Rain comes from the evaporation of water into the atmosphere. Salt does not evaporate therefore rain water is fresh water.. How can we run out of fresh water? It is being evaporated from the oceans... falling as rain.... running into our lakes and rivers and seeping back down into our water tables... 'splain please.. I'm simply not getting this shortage of fresh water thing.
 

This is a bad situation, I heard that California is
also in a bad way for water.

More de-salination plants will be built I am sure,
but will they be done quickly?

I hope that the situation improves soon.

Mike.
 
I always come back to this.. With the earth consisting of 71% to 75% water, Rain comes from the evaporation of water into the atmosphere. Salt does not evaporate therefore rain water is fresh water.. How can we run out of fresh water? It is being evaporated from the oceans... falling as rain.... running into our lakes and rivers and seeping back down into our water tables... 'splain please.. I'm simply not getting this shortage of fresh water thing.

It's apparently not so much that we are not getting the water as WHERE we aren't getting it. Google has many articles on the subject.
 
It may not be where we want it... but we have it.... Getting it from where we have to to where we need it would seem to be the issue.

The thing is not just our continent. It's some continents get much less than others. The day might come when wars are fought for H2o...
 
I always come back to this.. With the earth consisting of 71% to 75% water, Rain comes from the evaporation of water into the atmosphere. Salt does not evaporate therefore rain water is fresh water.. How can we run out of fresh water? It is being evaporated from the oceans... falling as rain.... running into our lakes and rivers and seeping back down into our water tables... 'splain please.. I'm simply not getting this shortage of fresh water thing.


Here's the problem: The rain forests act like the lungs of the world and take care of its water. And all over the world but especially in South America and even northern America, so much rainforest has been cut down to make way for growing animal feeds and ranching cattle, that those forests are being decimated. Not so much in the USA or Canada at this point, but I think it's Brazil where it's had a hugely destructive impact.

One of the results is droughts and weather pattern changes. The trees take up carbon and act like a carbon sink, but if you cut down them down, the forest stores less carbon, leaving it free as a gas to add to the GHG load. Forests also preserve water, soil, plants, etc. And having those things protected aids that forest in filtering and purifying the water that sinks down through it to become part of or begin new aquifers. Without that happening, the water runs off the barren, treeless land, carrying silt with it (hence the loss of nutrient rich topsoil) to reach the rivers, then the oceans where it is no longer fresh but adds to the briny seas.

That info came from this:http://www.webofcreation.org/Earth Problems/forests.htm

and their exact wording is:

"The primary driving force behind the destruction of the rainforests is livestock grazing. Beef exporting from Brazil has increased more than fivefold in the last six years. Worldwatch magazine, in the article, “Eating Beef” says that “From now on, the question of whether we get our protein from animals or plants has direct implications for how much more of the world’s remaining forest we have to raze.” (my words: to raise that cattle feed and graze animals)

That in a 'nutshell' is why we could run out of fresh water. Then combine that with the toxic effects on your nations waterways and air, from the 'ponds' of animal waste that dot the countryside in various areas where pig farms, chicken farms, and beef and dairy too, add methane to the atmosphere and then the over application of pesticides, herbicides and pond leaks which eventually run in nearby waterways and poison them.....well totally a recipe for disaster.

So while you may be getting rain evaporated from the ocean, without the covering of the forests, it's simply running off the land and back into the oceans. And along the way, it's causing all these huge floods that we seem to keep seeing lately. And that water also isn't having time to filter down through forest floors to finally wind up pure and clean in the aquifer's where we can access it.
 
The thing is not just our continent. It's some continents get much less than others. The day might come when wars are fought for H2o...
Australia is the hottest, driest continent. Water is our most precious resource.
We have very little melt water but where it does exist we have harnessed it for energy and saved it in reservoirs.

Agriculture here depends on artesian and sub artesian sources as well as our rather few major river systems.
We fear the former are under threat from contamination by coal seam gas extraction techniques (fracking) and the rivers have been depleted from irrigation and the back run off has caused levels of salinity down stream that make the water unfit for drinking. We now have statutory authorities that manage the water licences, particularly in times of drought.

Climate change effects are difficult to predict with certainty. It could well be that wet places will get more precipitation and dry places will get less. This is not good news for Australia but at least our native vegetation is already adapted to low moisture, low nutrient and high fire conditions. The farmers may be able to adapt but it will be difficult for them. Where once we were a net exporter of food, we may have to become a net importer.
 
That's rough Jim. In many states collecting & storing rainwater is now prohibited by law. Mostly in the Northern states and along the eastern seaboard. So even if we're "green" minded and wish to collect some of our own water we can do nothing about it without breaking the law. This makes no sense to me.
 
Don't worry, the "Toilet to Tap" program started in California should solve the problem. That's right, all toilet water can be recycled into drinking water and, thus, be used for all applications...:cool:
 
This is a bad situation, I heard that California is
also in a bad way for water.

More de-salination plants will be built I am sure,
but will they be done quickly?


I hope that the situation improves soon.

Mike.


Not sure but I think California already has a few de-salt plants that they built and shut down a few years back.
 
A San Diego Desalination plant was shipped to Cuba during the russian missile crisis when Cuban cut off the water to out base on Guantanamo. That was the sole source of water on that base for a long time.
 
Permit me to play devil's advocate because this isn't a climate change problem. There's still plenty of water around, just not plentiful enough for dry arid states like California and Arizona with ever growing populations to drain it off at record rates. Just because people want to live in the desert with millions of other people nature isn't going to give up it's cyclical nature or increase the water flow to arid regions. Tell you what, next winter we'll trade you some good old Indiana water for some of that Arizona sunshine. ;)
 
That's very odd. In Sydney during the last drought period people could apply for subsidies to install rainwater tanks for collecting water running off the roofs.

For sure. That's a smart move. The Australian government is more sensible than the American in this issue. People were always allowed to collect rainwater when I was a kid so this is something that's happened in some U.S. states since the '60's. It would help to save a lot of water, I'd think.
 
It rains a lot in tropical Singapore but even so they collect rain water in big underground cisterns and also recycle all the water they can. This is because, as a smallish island, they have limited opportunity for dam building and during WW II the Japanese cut off water supplies from the pipeline from Malaya. They don't intend for that to happen ever again.
 


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