Unexpected attack from an expected enemy

Bob4now

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We had a base in a far off land, and we were unexpectedly attacked. Many brave souls gave their lives. It was an aerial assault and we mistook it for friendly aircraft returning home. I’m not talking about Pearl Harbor, but rather a base near the Syrian-Jordan border. This attack that just occurred sounded eerily familiar. I pray for the families of those killed and injured, for comfort in this time of sorrow, for recovery in this time of injury, and for clarity and discernment in this time of confusion. Also for peace, and that no more need to get hurt or die, and far off lands.
 

Bob4now said:
We had a base in a far off land, and we were unexpectedly attacked. Many brave souls gave their lives. It was an aerial assault and we mistook it for friendly aircraft returning home. I’m not talking about Pearl Harbor, but rather a base near the Syrian-Jordan border. This attack that just occurred sounded eerily familiar. I pray for the families of those killed and injured, for comfort in this time of sorrow, for recovery in this time of injury, and for clarity and discernment in this time of confusion. Also for peace, and that no more need to get hurt or die, and far off lands.
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Wonderful prayer. I am waiting for an end to all this as well. Surely the enemies would stop this as well.
 
I think since the 1970s many felt WWIII would start in the middle east somewhere and those that predicted that are more right than wrong. It will start with proxies before the main combatants go at it.

I know the first Cold War broke mother Russia and others. Have to wonder how long these smaller countries can last in a hot war or maintain global operations shall we say.

RIP the fallen soldiers. I think they all were Army and/or part of a Georgia reserve or NG unit.
 
RIP to the fallen.
WhatInThe said:
I think since the 1970s many felt WWIII would start in the middle east somewhere and those that predicted that are more right than wrong.
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I agree. I remember hearing about how some high ranking officer in the British (I think) army said back before World War 1 that if there ever would be a worldwide war, it would be because "of some damn fool thing in the Balkans." And sure enough, Archduke Ferdinand's assassin was a Bosnian Serb which is in the Balkans.

Then back in the 1960s, I remember hearing a high ranking U.S. Army officer say something along the lines of "If World War 3 ever does happen, it'll be because of some damn fool thing in the Middle East."

I hope WW3 never happens but some of these military guys get a good sense of which way the wind is blowing sometimes.
 
Bob4now said:
We had a base in a far off land, and we were unexpectedly attacked. Many brave souls gave their lives. It was an aerial assault and we mistook it for friendly aircraft returning home. I’m not talking about Pearl Harbor, but rather a base near the Syrian-Jordan border. This attack that just occurred sounded eerily familiar. I pray for the families of those killed and injured, for comfort in this time of sorrow, for recovery in this time of injury, and for clarity and discernment in this time of confusion. Also for peace, and that no more need to get hurt or die, and far off lands.
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I would say the attack referenced was far from unexpected as Iran backed attacks, over 150 and counting, have been ongoing since last October. Also, anyone who thinks Iran is not already at "war" with the USA is deluding themselves.

Hopefully, the USA will have a sufficient and appropriate response to Iran that will convince them to question whether it is worth it to persist in their present course of action. It will take a combination of overwhelming military actions and monetary penalties.
 
They're saying the drone bomb may have been mistaken for a friendly craft? Visual or radar?

Regardless if they knew where it came from or who made it that'a a legitimate target. Those people are going to test, poke and prod until they think they have enough figured for an even larger scale attack wether in the Gulf or domestically. They have to be disciplined to say the least.
 
Tish said:
Iran is at it again! They are just itching for all-out War.
Prayers sent🙏
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My only post in this thread will be.......................

We have allowed this part of the world to become unstable, and do very little to calm things down. By supporting war in one place, you're stoking war elsewhere. It's a ripple effect. We should keep this in mind, actions have consequences. I hate ANYONE has to die for such causes. I hate the Iranian system, but can understand, given current circumstances, why things would be heating up.
 
VaughanJB said:
We have allowed this part of the world to become unstable, ...
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This is why the US has military bases in the ME; to maintain stability. The US became even more present after Iraq invaded Kuwait. But the war in Gaza has upset the cart.

No need to mention US presence also ensures the west's oil supply and keeping oil prices from rising to crazy levels. Iraq and Russia would be ecstatic if we fail at that.
 
Tish said:
Iran is at it again! They are just itching for all-out War.
Prayers sent🙏
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Iran has long been on the verge of producing one or more nuclear weapons. Given the open nature of our border it is not inconceivable that they could smuggle in the parts for assembly in an obscure basement. Boom, and of course they deny responsibility.
 
Murrmurr said:
This is why the US has military bases in the ME; to maintain stability. The US became even more present after Iraq invaded Kuwait. But the war in Gaza has upset the cart.

No need to mention US presence also ensures the west's oil supply and keeping oil prices from rising to crazy levels. Iraq and Russia would be ecstatic if we fail at that.
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With respect, this isn't correct. The US is there to keep things advantageous to the US and its allies. Anyone who does not agree with their point of view are deemed enemies. The undying, unending support of Israel is what has, and will continue, to ensure this region in unstable. The region is problematic now because of the Israeli war.
 
VaughanJB said:
With respect, this isn't correct. The US is there to keep things advantageous to the US and its allies. Anyone who does not agree with their point of view are deemed enemies. The undying, unending support of Israel is what has, and will continue, to ensure this region in unstable. The region is problematic now because of the Israeli war.
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Maintaining stability in the ME is advantageous to the US and its allies. The US and its allies also support democratic countries no matter where they're situated.
 
Murrmurr said:
Maintaining stability in the ME is advantageous to the US and its allies. The US and its allies also support democratic countries no matter where they're situated.
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Sadly, no. Do I need to list the countries that the US have supported, without democracy? I hope not. I personally think your assertion is a bit of a dream. What matters is only advantage. If it's democratic, great, If it's not, so be it. Democracy, therefore, is not a primary goal. Then you look at the level of finance given to certain countries, and you know that a steady growth isn't the goal, it's all about advantage.
 
VaughanJB said:
Sadly, no. Do I need to list the countries that the US have supported, without democracy? I hope not. I personally think your assertion is a bit of a dream. What matters is only advantage. If it's democratic, great, If it's not, so be it. Democracy, therefore, is not a primary goal. Then you look at the level of finance given to certain countries, and you know that a steady growth isn't the goal, it's all about advantage.
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In order to maintain stability or peace or cheap gas prices? No, you don't.

I actually don't think we have a disagreement. Nowhere did I say the US doesn't do what it does if there's no advantage. It would be ridiculous to spend the kind of money the US spends if there was nothing to gain.
 
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Murrmurr said:
In order to maintain stability or peace or cheap gas prices? No, you don't.

I actually don't think we have a disagreement. Nowhere did I say the US doesn't do what it does if there's no advantage. It would be ridiculous to spend the kind of money the US spends if there was nothing to gain.
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Indeed, I think we're saying the same thing, essentially. I just don't believe the US - or the UK for that matter - do these things simply for democracy. Governments care far more about influence, and keeping others out (or in line). It's that which drives their behaviors.

The US and UK will be bombing Iran and Syria soon (within days). This is what a destabilized part of the world looks like.
 
VaughanJB said:
The US and UK will be bombing Iran and Syria soon (within days). This is what a destabilized part of the world looks like.
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In short, if you discover a cancer growing in your body, what to do? You employ a doctor to destroy it. Should you fail to act, you risk seeing your body devoured and your life ended. Make sense? Of course. When Russia invaded Ukraine we were compelled to act. Why? Russia was the cancer, a cancer that should it succeed in Ukraine would have moved on to devour the former members of the Soviet Union, many of whom were NATO members, compelling the US to find itself drawn in and likely initiating an even broader war.

As for Iran, it has become an Islamic cancer which, if ignored, will spread drawing its allies, victims, and rival Mid Eastern states into a larger war to the detriment of the United States. Best to deal with that cancer now, before it spreads.
 
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ElCastor said:
In short, if you discover a cancer growing in your body, what to do? You employ a doctor to destroy it. Should you fail to act, you risk seeing your body devoured and your life ended. Make sense? Of course. When Russia invaded Ukraine we were compelled to act. Why? Russia was the cancer, a cancer that should it succeed in Ukraine would have moved on to devour the former members of the Soviet Union, many of whom were NATO members, compelling the US to find itself drawn in and likely initiating an even broader war.

As for Iran, it has become an Islamic cancer which, if ignored, will spread drawing its allies, victims, and rival Mid Eastern states into a larger war to the detriment of the United States. Best to deal with that cancer now, before it spreads.
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The analogy doesn't work. Of course you treat cancer, but saying a country is an "Islamic cancer" is not actual cancer. In the real world, you negotiate, you use diplomacy, you show restraint. Because when you equate an entire country as a cancer that needs taking out, you're speaking of the potential of millions of lives. Not one cancer sufferer, but an entire nation of men, women, and children.

The Israeli conflict is what has led us to this particular moment. So, a largely US funded war has caused a ripple effect. Given the state of the world, we don't need a war across the middle east. And if you think this will simply be the US/UK against Iran and Syria, think again. We're literally, playing with fire.

When thousands of Iranian migrants get the the US border because of the destruction of their country, I hope you let them in.
 
VaughanJB said:
The analogy doesn't work. Of course you treat cancer, but saying a country is an "Islamic cancer" is not actual cancer. In the real world, you negotiate, you use diplomacy, you show restraint. Because when you equate an entire country as a cancer that needs taking out, you're speaking of the potential of millions of lives. Not one cancer sufferer, but an entire nation of men, women, and children.

The Israeli conflict is what has led us to this particular moment. So, a largely US funded war has caused a ripple effect. Given the state of the world, we don't need a war across the middle east. And if you think this will simply be the US/UK against Iran and Syria, think again. We're literally, playing with fire.

When thousands of Iranian migrants get the the US border because of the destruction of their country, I hope you let them in.
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Did you know that the US and UK have sent billions of dollars in aid to Gaza? And that's just in the past few years. Because Gaza Palestinians have permanent refugee status, the only people in the world who do, the US and a few of its allies send money and aid to Gaza every year.

Within a year after the US and UK sent hundreds of miles of underground pipes, along with US and UK volunteers who supervised and assisted installing them so that Palestinian homes could have access to clean running water in their homes, dozens of Hamas members dug those pipes up to make thousands of missiles ...to use against Israel.

Did the US go blow up stuff in Gaza? No. Because, people.

Did Hamas go blow up stuff in Israel? Yes, multiple times, people be damned.

Ok, Israel has finally responded. The Oct 7th attack was a step too far. It has been a very significant response. The US hasn't funded it, BTW, nor has our government condoned it. The US has strongly urged negotiations. In fact, over half of the Israeli people are not at all happy with their president's decisions over the past few months.

Everyone wants the hostages in Gaza returned alive. Too late to say "alive and well". No one's even sure we can say "alive".
 
Murrmurr said:
Did you know that the US and UK have sent billions of dollars in aid to Gaza? And that's just in the past few years. Because Gaza Palestinians have permanent refugee status, the only people in the world who do, the US and a few of its allies send money and aid to Gaza every year.

Within a year after the US and UK sent hundreds of miles of underground pipes, along with US and UK volunteers who supervised and assisted installing them so that Palestinian homes could have access to clean running water in their homes, dozens of Hamas members dug those pipes up to make thousands of missiles ...to use against Israel.

Did the US go blow up stuff in Gaza? No. Because, people.

Did Hamas go blow up stuff in Israel? Yes, multiple times, people be damned.

Ok, Israel has finally responded. The Oct 7th attack was a step too far. It has been a very significant response. The US hasn't funded it, BTW, nor has our government condoned it. The US has strongly urged negotiations. In fact, over half of the Israeli people are not at all happy with their president's decisions over the past few months.

Everyone wants the hostages in Gaza returned alive. Too late to say "alive and well". No one's even sure we can say "alive".
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I don't usually participate in these debates because it's far easier to lose friends than to make/keep them.

The amount given as aid to Israel, and the addition of "aid" in terms of military equipment, dwarves anything given to Palestine. That given to Palestine is through third parties.

I simply don't see this current conflict in the same way as you do. However, my respect for you as a fellow forum member, and someone I'd like to continue to enjoy dialog with, means I can't write what I want to. I think you're wrong in many aspects. That's all I'm willing to say.

The US just bombed Iraq. I'm sure only good can come of it.
 
Tom52 said:
I would say the attack referenced was far from unexpected as Iran backed attacks, over 150 and counting, have been ongoing since last October. Also, anyone who thinks Iran is not already at "war" with the USA is deluding themselves.

Hopefully, the USA will have a sufficient and appropriate response to Iran that will convince them to question whether it is worth it to persist in their present course of action. It will take a combination of overwhelming military actions and monetary penalties.
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They will meet their own demise for sure.
 
VaughanJB said:
The Israeli conflict is what has led us to this particular moment. So, a largely US funded war has caused a ripple effect. Given the state of the world, we don't need a war across the middle east. And if you think this will simply be the US/UK against Iran and Syria, think again. We're literally, playing with fire.
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I beg to differ. A centuries old hatred of Jews by Islam greatly precedes Israel and no doubt inspires Iran‘s current disciples of Muhammad …

”In AD 627, Muhammad committed an atrocity against the last remaining major tribe of Jews in Medina: the Qurayza.
He beheaded the men and the pubescent boys and enslaved the women and children. In doing this, he wiped an entire tribe "off the map" to use the language of the President of Iran, recently.”
Muhammads atrocity against the Qurayza Jews

So stifle Iran now, or wait for their hatred of Israel‘s Jews to erupt into an almost inevitable nuclear conflict.
 
The potential for unrest and conflict in the Middle East has been a concern for many, and the utilization of proxy wars as precursors to larger conflicts is an interesting observation. As for the ability of smaller countries to endure a global confrontation - that's also a complex consideration that involves geopolitical dynamics, economic capacities, and international alliances.

The impact of such events on various nations' capabilities to manage global operations is an important discussion point as well. It raises questions about resilience, adaptability, and cooperation on an international scale that resonates with present-day geopolitical conversations. These are significant topics with wide-reaching implications and intricate considerations. It's vital to continue examining these aspects from multiple perspectives to foster greater understanding.
 

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