The right to die..

I have always believed in the right to die. Once again, we go back that line, "it's my body (and life)". If a person is terminally ill, or so financially in debt, with no hope. no family left, nothing to live for, let them die. I also believe in capital punishment, despite many in party being against it. That come from living in New York City in the 1970's and 1980's with all of the daily crime.
 

gruntlabor said:
:) With respect, hollydolly, this is your opinion, but there are others.
Yes, they ARE in their right mind and it IS their choice only --their choice because they know it is what their family wants.
I ask you, for whom is it not possible to live another hour, or day or week or month or year? What wonderful things might happen in these brief periods of time?
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There are some people who suffer greatly and want the right to die but because their loved ones want them to stay alive, they decide to forgo their end of life plans. When someone is very near death and experiencing great suffering, I very much doubt there are wonderful things happening. And suffering, sometimes, is not brief. It can be long and drawn out. The right to die is a choice every individual should be able to make, unique and personal to them.
 
Paladin1950 said:
I have always believed in the right to die. Once again, we go back that line, "it's my body (and life)". If a person is terminally ill, or so financially in debt, with no hope. no family left, nothing to live for, let them die. I also believe in capital punishment, despite many in party being against it. That come from living in New York City in the 1970's and 1980's with all of the daily crime.
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You mean people who are poor should be considered for assisted dying because of their poverty? Tbh the idea horrifies me.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws
 

Paladin1950 said:
If a person is terminally ill, or so financially in debt, with no hope. no family left, nothing to live for, let them die.
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And THIS is why we must tread carefully. Once the door is opened, it'll never be shut, and it'll creep into our lives. The idea that mentally ill people could choose death is controversial enough, but debt?!? You think people with debt should be legally able to end it all, with the help of medical professionals?!?

What's next? Don't want to be married any more and can't afford a divorce? Accused of a hate crime?

Life is a valuable asset, the more valuable one we have. Our society treasures life, which is why the Death Penalty is a thing in the first place. But once you've reduced it to things like having some debt - then frankly, it reduces life to the point of convenience. Is that really the world you want to live in?
 
This is a perfect example of taking a logical discussion and reducing it to the most ridiculous, extreme examples one can think of. What if this, what if that? This kind of fear is what always keeps society from evolving into something better. The anti's have a genius for bringing up the most improbable, ludicrous scenarios against an idea which might be a good one in 99% of the cases.

The right to die movement has been around for a long time. As far as I know, it refers to people who are suffering from unbearable or terminal illnesses. It has nothing to do with being "poor," and I'm pretty sure that being depressed doesn't qualify for physician-assisted suicide. Neither does being "ugly," facing something bad like a prison sentence, or, maybe just being bored. Why throw the baby out with the bath water?
 
VaughanJB said:
And THIS is why we must tread carefully. Once the door is opened, it'll never be shut, and it'll creep into our lives. The idea that mentally ill people could choose death is controversial enough, but debt?!? You think people with debt should be legally able to end it all, with the help of medical professionals?!?

What's next? Don't want to be married any more and can't afford a divorce? Accused of a hate crime?

Life is a valuable asset, the more valuable one we have. Our society treasures life, which is why the Death Penalty is a thing in the first place. But once you've reduced it to things like having some debt - then frankly, it reduces life to the point of convenience. Is that really the world you want to live in?
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Absolutely. 💯

It's not the world I want to live in. I want a world where vulnerable people are supported and have access to better care so that they might enjoy the only life they will ever live.
 
Sunny said:
The right to die movement has been around for a long time. As far as I know, it refers to people who are suffering from unbearable or terminal illnesses. It has nothing to do with being "poor," and I'm pretty sure that being depressed doesn't qualify for physician-assisted suicide. Neither does being "ugly," facing something bad like a prison sentence, or, maybe just being bored. Why throw the baby out with the bath water?
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Assisted Death as an option for those with mental illnesses absolutely IS on the cards. Canadians will tell you all about it. ;)

As for debt.... that was brought up by someone who is PRO assisted death, not anti.

Still, I don't consider myself "anti" either. I do however think it needs to be thought through.
 
Oh for God sakes if a person is totally without funds, and has no one left in the world, meaning family or friends, and has nothing to live for, they have a right to leave for a more happier place. No one has a right to force them to go on living when they no longer want to.
 
Sunny said:
This is a perfect example of taking a logical discussion and reducing it to the most ridiculous, extreme examples one can think of. What if this, what if that? This kind of fear is what always keeps society from evolving into something better. The anti's have a genius for bringing up the most improbable, ludicrous scenarios against an idea which might be a good one in 99% of the cases.

The right to die movement has been around for a long time. As far as I know, it refers to people who are suffering from unbearable or terminal illnesses.
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Actually it can have a lot to do with being poor. An example: if you are poor and can’t afford your rent, your mortgage or have enough food to feed your family, you could become terminally depressed and suicidal

There was a thread on here about a women in Sweden who had bipolar. Bipolar is extreme highs and extreme lows. She was terminally depressed. For years she could not find any amount of joy so she applied for ‘the right to be euthanized’ and her application was accepted.

Here in Canada in the year 2027, people will have that same right to die. People with mental disorders who can’t work can apply to be euthanized. Mental health disorders can be very serious. Some people just cannot cope. Many start feeling like they are a burden to their family

Sunny said:
It has nothing to do with being "poor," and I'm pretty sure that being depressed doesn't qualify for physician-assisted suicide. Neither does being "ugly," facing something bad like a prison sentence, or, maybe just being bored. Why throw the baby out with the bath water?
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The only people who think this is unreasonable are those who aren’t affected by mental health disorders.IMG_4294.jpeg
 
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Trish said:
Absolutely. 💯

It's not the world I want to live in. I want a world where vulnerable people are supported and have access to better care so that they might enjoy the only life they will ever live.
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of course. We all want that.

VAD is only for end stage of terminal illnesses where there is no better care or quality of life left to enjoy.
 
January said:
of course. We all want that.

VAD is only for end stage of terminal illnesses where there is no better care or quality of life left to enjoy.
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I have no issue with that. I absolutely agree that patients who are terminally ill should be able to make that choice if they wish to. My concerns are when it comes to extending the right to die to people who are not terminally ill.

In the UK a person can make an Advance Statement, a document where they can record their preferences for care and can include a patient's wish to refuse life-sustaining treatment. Rather than a legal document, the Statement acts as a guide as to their wishes should they become unable to make decisions or communicate their preferences at a later date. Obviously, you cannot request something unlawful (i.e. assisted suicide). If someone suffering from a degenerative chronic illness (including Alzheimers and Dementia) were able to make an Advance Statement which included a request for assisted dying, I would have no issues with that, particularly if the request was only acted upon once the patient's health had declined but, before their suffering became a burden to them.

Mental heath services in the UK are underfunded and accessible care and treatment is not always available to those who need it. It concerns me that if the right to assisted dying were extended to those people, we would simply be allowing people to die not because they are beyond help but, because they are without care and support.

Earlier in this thread a poster stated, "... , or so financially in debt, with no hope, no family left, nothing to live for, let them die". Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion but, I cannot imagine myself ever being in agreement with that.
 

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