College campus protests news

Mobilman44 said:
I noticed something about the lists of historical US protests that Vaughan posted. All of those protests were about what affected Americans in America. Today's protests are over events outside of America that do not affect DIRECTLY this country or its citizens.

When they pull the protestors out of the University, I wonder how many are actually students there - or even local residents.

I lived thru the '60s and believe me, it was a scary time here in the USA. Is that where we are going again now? Or maybe we are already there....
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Listening to the radio this morning, in Sydney Australia, the police outflanked the protesters barricaded inside a building on the first floor and made numerous arrests. The police spokesperson said that many of them were outsiders who had coached the students on how to stage a successful takeover of the building.

The police didn't try to break through the barricades. They positioned a ramp of some kind and came in through the first floor windows.
 

Back to the protests, I am completely for peaceful protests because they have had positive repercussions and have caused needed change over the years. However, protesters going into a building at Columbia University, some of whom aren't even students, and desecrating it is disgusting. I'm glad the police went in and yanked them out.

I've read that some of the false protesters were also instigators at the Antifa and BLM protests. These people should be thrown in jail.
 

Remy said:
It's a good thing I never had kids. If I had a kid at one of these so called protests, I'd grab them by the shirt collar and shove them in the car hitting their head like a bad cop. I'd be outraged my education dollars went to that. And they'd be taking out loans to go to a junior college after that.

The professional instigator crowd is now known to be at Columbia.
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I heard a commenter saying this on CNN tonight, that they must have had professional instigator help. I'm not going to outright disagree, but why don't older people realize what can be learned online these days?

I did not bother to try to access the Dark Web, or look at Reddit or god forbid, 4chan (are they still around? I have not checked.) to see what can be learned, but here's what you can find on the White Web about how to do things maybe your parents don't want you to do:

Take school admin off your school Chromebook: How to remove school administrator from Chromebook - gHacks Tech News
How to survive a riot: How To Survive A Riot When Things Start Getting Rowdy.

Articles like this tell them what Admin. will most likely do in response: Dealing with Protestors: Minimizing Conflict While Protecting School Interests - Campus Safety Magazine

How to barricade a door from the inside: How to Lock a Door Without a Lock: 10 Brilliant Solutions

Even before the Internet I had a very smart friend who bravely, because he was unemployed and really struggling, changed out a major part on his car. He got a Chilton's manual and did it himself. I would not be brave enough to do a major repair like that, but he seemed pretty confident that he could learn how and he did it. Saved himself probably $300 to $400 in those days that he simply didn't have.

The young people might have have professional help, there's plenty of people who would like to see the U.S. become a failed state, but they also could have just taught one another how to do things via the Internet. Or, bad influencers could have taught them how to do everything via the Internet.
 
seadoug said:
Late to the party on this, but I'm gay and I support the protests against the killing of innocent citizens in Gaza. I can do two things at the same time... realize who I'm supporting while wanting to stop the killing of innocent people. Nothing hilarious about it, and no one is pulling the wool over my eyes. As for "stupid headgear", I don't need to respond. You've clearly clarified your position.
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It is more than obvious, that islamic countries are not sure for homosexuals. In this context it makes sense that Pepper mentioned it. In Iran this protester even would end hanging on a tower crane. Can somebody be more stupid than this man?
 
@VintageBetter There must be plenty of private groups of all kinds on the internet, including professional protester groups.

Most of these students will be under 25 and their brains not fully developed. Coming from privilege or trauma or average and they don't have the strength to not belong. So off they go. Some don't even know the river and sea in their chants. They have no idea how lucky they are to be in a western country. With our problems and all. There are alternatives.
 
Most colleges provide plenty of freedom of speech venues including student union buildings where students can lounge and exchange ideas, and student run newspapers with freedom of speech, and permits for authorized protests and demonstrations that conform to university guidelines. However camping in unauthorized places and shouting slogans and pissing on the lawns isn’t freedom of speech.
 
Mobilman44 said:
Goodness, I'll bet putin and the korean dough boy are getting their jollies over this!
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Well yes, but probably not as much as the multi-billionaire Muslim leaders who caused the Gaza problem in the first place. The Muslim leader of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh, is a multi-billionaire with luxury homes in both Qatar and Turkey and enjoys the best food and drink while Gazans are starving and American college students want working American taxpayers to feed them.
 
I can almost understand how a student could be swayed by the rhetoric spouted on campus by paid agitators. My own children at that age advocated in speech to some off the wall ideology. It was a great day when our oldest son a few years out of college and in a professional career said something memorable when visiting us at home. The subject of one of his student ideals came up and he said, "Dad looking back I can tell you are a lot smarter today than you were back then." We both had a good laugh and I'm sure he'll one day have a similar conversation with his son.
 
dilettante said:
And people just love being talked down to.
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Heh. I read that and went all the way back through this thread looking for who was from one of the prairie states. Ever since I read Willa Cather I've romanticized them and admired the people whose ancestors managed to survive during those pioneer days. I couldn't find anyone. Maybe New Yorkers think everything between New York and California is prairie.
 
Lilac said:
Al Jazeera hasn't been known to be fair & balanced on issues involving conflicts in the Middle East. Their reporting on issues not involving the ME hasn't been bad because it doesn't affect them. As far as Snopes, it was neither confirmed or denied due to few reports & witnesses. However, they did say the claim is similar to common urban legends & rumors which includes one the IDF made against Hamas in 12/2023. Is this a case of Hamas using what they did then, using it as proproganda against Isreal now?


The Middle East Eye is a news agency that hasn't been transparent about their ownership & is believed to be funded by Qatar. Hamas officials are living on Qatar. I'm wondering how fair & balanced they really are.

I'm not clear on "After killing 142 of them", who are you referring too? Western Journalists? As of April 30th, only 97 journalists of all nations have died per the Committe to Protect Journalists. Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war - Committee to Protect Journalists

I can't find a ban on western journalists. The only thing I found is that anyone covering the war is to be accompanied by military escorts. NBC & CNN verified that the military has the authority to authorize the release of any content/footage from Gaza. Both news agencies have consented to this.


Their is nothing normal about the combat in Gaza. A soldier will aim for whatever is exposed & when the head, neck & shoulders come up from cover, that's the target. Anyone standing in the open as claimed in supposed drone attacks has an entire body exposed to be hit & can be any where.

Hamas cares nothing about anyone living in Gaza. They have an agenda & will use anyone to get to their goal. Sadly, they'll use their own people as they are now. So as far as who is buried in those graves & how they got there, I feel only Hamas knows what happened.

Hamas could stop everything if they turned the remaining hostages over & the bodies of those hostages who died in Hamas captivity. But they won't.
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I'd suggest that Al Jazeera is as fair and balanced as any Western media outlet. You just don't like that they're Muslim. Nor does the IDF because they decided to shoot one of their journalists, Shireen Abu Akleh in the head when she was reporting on an Israeli raid in Jenin. They went on to assault her burial party later.

I find it interesting that the BBC has signed agreements with Al Jazeerah and their exclusive interviews are being routinely rebroadcast on CNN and BBC and is carried on various stations in Canada, the UK, India, China and has plans for other countries around the world. So the point is, their reporting is giving the other perspective than just what you will see in Western media and I think that's a good thing. Because there are always two sides to every story.

I have to wonder Lilac, why you haven't condemned the murders and maimings of thousands of children. Not made up stories but actual murdered and maimed little children many of whom are orphaned because their parents have been killed? What Hamas did was horrible, but it didn't happen in a vacuum, it wasn't the beginning of this situation and what the IDF is doing and has been doing is equally horrible, but for many decades more.
 
TennVet said:
I can almost understand how a student could be swayed by the rhetoric spouted on campus by paid agitators. My own children at that age advocated in speech to some off the wall ideology. It was a great day when our oldest son a few years out of college and in a professional career said something memorable when visiting us at home. The subject of one of his student ideals came up and he said, "Dad looking back I can tell you are a lot smarter today than you were back then." We both had a good laugh and I'm sure he'll one day have a similar conversation with his son.
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Is it off the wall, to want civilians, including thousands of women and little kids and babies, to not be murdered for being Palestinian? I just don't understand that sort of disregard.
 
Brookswood said:
For some oddball reason people are not happy with colleges in general, and their sanctimonious students who trash public and private property.
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Students at the local public University have set up an Autonomous Zone that they consider their private space. Apparently it’s no longer a public space for all students, but now belongs to a small group with muscle to enforce their beliefs. Lots of rules of conduct In the AZ such as no filming, and restrictions on who can enter the area. Speech is restricted both in terms of who you can talk to and what you can say. Thankfully, these students will protect us from fascists and other threats to our democracy. right? :rolleyes:
TabbyAnn said:
Most colleges provide plenty of freedom of speech venues including student union buildings where students can lounge and exchange ideas,
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Sadly the student union building at the local state university was occupied overnight by demonstrators a few weeks ago and trashed before the demonstrators were removed.
 
Debrah N. said:
Is it off the wall, to want civilians, including thousands of women and little kids and babies, to not be murdered for being Palestinian? I just don't understand that sort of disregard.
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Don’t disregard it. Call out Hamas for using civilians as human shields.

Do you know how many people have died at the hands of the Syrian dictator Assad? Look it up. Yet nobody makes a fuss. Why is that?

Casualties of the Syrian civil war - Wikipedia
 
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Remy said:
Not an expert either but I believe Christians and Jews lived in now Arab/Muslim countries at one time. And they got along relatively well. What changed I'm not sure. But change it did. Let the Jews have this small land.
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So I suggest then Remy, that you get out of your home and go somewhere else. I don't care where, just leave. Let someone live there who has no home and you just go live in a tent with your family for the rest of your lives. Because that's what you're suggesting all the Palestinians do. Now what I said was pure sarcasm of course, but that is what the Israeli government is pushing for the Palestinians to do. Just get out, leave their homes behind, abandon their farms, their fields and leave it all for the Israeli's to take over. This isn't reasonable or fair.

And what changed is that Israel wants it all for themselves. Their goal is a Jewish Homeland period. Even the Palestinian Israeli's who have accepted Israeli citizenship, have only second class citizenship and less rights than the Israeli Jews.
 
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Here’s something interesting.


Of the 112 people arrested at Columbia on Tuesday, 29% were unaffiliated with the school, New York City Mayor Eric Adams and the New York Police Department said Thursday. At City College, people unaffiliated with the school made up 60% of the 170 arrested.
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