How can anyone still believe in covid?

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I have no idea what you're issue is. Of course any thread can be debated. I never said it couldn't. What members shouldn't do is call the poster of the thread stupid and a troll as it says in the meme post #36 which received many "Likes" by members
 

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Ok, I see. This subject, has been hotly debated for 4 years here. It gets ruff in the trenches when you're trying to convince people of things that lack sufficient evidence, and those subjects are usually posted and maintained by trolls. Look it up.
 
Lara said:
I have no idea what you're issue is. Of course any thread can be debated. I never said it couldn't. What members shouldn't do is call the poster of the thread stupid and a troll as it says in the meme post #36 which received many "Likes" by members
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The OP set the tone for this thread, both in his title and in his first post. He made the thread contentious, I suggest, on purpose, and he has reaped what he sowed.

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This post from a new member, posted probably purposely troll-like. And indeed received plenty of members ready to be lured into his t!@# filled sand box.

Doesn't a thread leading with "So, reading these forums is shocking!" raise a troll flag folks? He then follows with poorly regarded terse arguments he had to know were those of a small though loud USA minority, and tried to gaslight "Despite all the mountains of evidence..." the audience into a belief that view was more substantial than reality. And members came into the sand box finding what all cats leave.
 
As the author of Post #36 I stand by my post. When a new member starts off with a post sure to spark a lot of debate,,,,,they KNOW what they are doing. Trolling has been around for as long as the internet,
If the post had come from a long term established member, I would not have responded as such. But to bring up a sort of controversial topic in a group of people who you do not know, and who do not know you. That, in my eye is someone just begging for clap backs.

I had covid last year..it sucked.
 
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So, reading these forums is shocking! Despite all the mountains of evidence that covid was a scam, and the vax was nothing more than a deadly human trial, I still see people posting about it like it was real, and scary, and deadly. How?
4 years later we have enough evidence to show that; 1) not a single country can prove covid exists/ed, (see all the FOIR's), 2) more vax deaths and injuries than can be counted, 3) the hospital records in the many, many court cases are showing that they were full of vaxxed not un vaxxed (93%), and, 4) that masks, distancing etc was made up! Yet, people believing...
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A few years ago I went to the dr for just a random follow up. They no longer accepted my insurance. Therefore I filed my own claim. There was a box that I had to choose if it was covid related - which it wasn't. But I could not move on until I chose that box. Had me thinking - what the....
 
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Tazx said:
So, reading these forums is shocking! Despite all the mountains of evidence that covid was a scam, and the vax was nothing more than a deadly human trial, I still see people posting about it like it was real, and scary, and deadly. How?
4 years later we have enough evidence to show that; 1) not a single country can prove covid exists/ed, (see all the FOIR's), 2) more vax deaths and injuries than can be counted, 3) the hospital records in the many, many court cases are showing that they were full of vaxxed not un vaxxed (93%), and, 4) that masks, distancing etc was made up! Yet, people believing...
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What are you smoking? No one can be that clueless. Either you are living in a fantasy world, or you are just trying stir things up. There is no mountain of evidence. I have a mountain of evidence that over a million Americans have died from Covid. Residents in the nursing home where I work died from Covid.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
 
Lara said:
I have no idea what you're issue is. Of course any thread can be debated. I never said it couldn't. What members shouldn't do is call the poster of the thread stupid and a troll as it says in the meme post #36 which received many "Likes" by members
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There are opinions in this forum which are based on disinformation, conspiracies, and information from questionable sources. Please research the facts from reputable sites like the CDC before taking anyone's opinion as fact about COVID-19 or related vaccinations.
 
Paladin1950 said:
There are opinions in this forum which are based on disinformation, conspiracies, and information from questionable sources. Please research the facts from reputable sites like the CDC before taking anyone's opinion as fact about COVID-19 or related vaccinations.
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What? I have read the facts and choose not to argue in this forum about Covid. I didn't even read most of this forum except when my name was mentioned. And btw, I was vaccinated and got Covid which I caught from my daughter while caring for her. I wasn't at all interested in discussing it with anyone.

I only saw a new member being ganged up on by a group here and I didn't believe him to be trying to sell anything so not a troll nor stupid as you all seem to believe. I've been bullied before in SF and it hurts so I didn't want this to happen to a new member. Now I'm getting bullied and accused of saying things I never said and have never even expressed an opinion here. Please be nice.
 
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@Tazx,

You only joined yesterday, and your first post is contentious. Why not post a bit about yourself by way of an introduction and take some time to look around this site looking for threads of interest.

Because you are new, I am restraining myself, but I will say that I do not believe in COVID because the word 'believe' is inappropriate. Belief is a word we use for things that are intangible. COVID is a word that applies to a particular virus that is a corona virus. It exists and can be isolated and studied. It is a newly evolved pathogen that has taken a severe toll on human beings. It is as real as the Sydney Harbour Bridge.
 
Here's my opinion on what might have happened. It was all a psych op. They renamed seasonal flu Covid 19, talked it up, paid "experts" while silencing any doctor who would contradict, and succeeded in scaring most people half to death over all of this. You get what you expect. That could be what happened.
 
Lara said:
What? I have read the facts and choose not to argue in this forum about Covid. I didn't even read most of this forum except when my name was mentioned. And btw, I was vaccinated and got Covid which I caught from my daughter while caring for her. I wasn't at all interested in discussing it with anyone.

I only saw a new member being ganged up on by a group here and I didn't believe him to be trying to sell anything so not a troll nor stupid as you all seem to believe. I've been bullied before in SF and it hurts so I didn't want this to happen to a new member. Now I'm getting bullied and accused of saying things I never said and have never even expressed an opinion here. Please be nice.
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You are defending someone who believes covid did not exist. You are defending someone who has no idea of all the people who died and whose family members may be on this site and how hurtful it is to hear this. You are defending someone who never worked in the hospitals and care homes and saw the devastation caused by covid. So frankly, I don't care if you see this as bullying.
 
I believe COVID was indeed real because my daughter in law and her twin sister died from COVID within a couple of months of each other. (Dec '21 and Feb '22). Devastated our families, especially my oldest grandson. He had what we believe was COVID before it was made widely known and a couple of years later, my second oldest grandson got it. My son had COVID twice and gave it to me one of those times after returning from a trip to Chicago. I had gone so long without being infected and had resisted the vaccination for over a year as well. I became infected about 11 months after being vaccinated.

In addition it was reported that at least two recording artists I like died from COVID. I can see someone thinking the vaccines were/are scams because of the way they were rolled out, the push to get everyone vaccinated and initial claims about their efficacy, but not the disease itself. I say that as someone who worked as a state public health rep for years. And IMO, you need to post links to articles or papers to support your opinion that COVID is a "scam"! A scam did not kill my loved ones...a very real disease did!
 
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chic said:
Here's my opinion on what might have happened. It was all a psych op. They renamed seasonal flu Covid 19, talked it up, paid "experts" while silencing any doctor who would contradict, and succeeded in scaring most people half to death over all of this. You get what you expect. That could be what happened.
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Who do you mean by "they", Chic?

Is it the same "they" in US as in Australia, UK, New Zealand and Canada?
What motivation would scientists and doctors in every advanced country have for trying to scare people half to death?

In the absence of an effective vaccine for a new virus, each country had to think out a practical means to limit the number of infections while they waited for vaccines to become accessible. The medical fraternity had to attempt to save as many lives as possible and not everyone with severe breathing problems could be hooked up to a ventilator. In Australia it was not uncommon for very sick patients to be placed on CPAC machines. It helped some but was a poor substitute for actual ventilators.

Yes, the community health brigade were urging people to practise social distancing, the wearing of masks and self isolation if unwell. There were economic stresses that needed support from governments to preserve workers jobs.

What would you have them do? Just let the pandemic run it's course until everyone had been infected with maybe one in five dying? That is what used to happen in less scientifically advanced periods of history but not what should be allowed in the 21st century.

We need to trust the people with the advanced knowledge. They are not playing games with our lives.
 
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There is I believe a protocol that has been mentioned to becoming a member from new. the usual social norms for introing yourself ; given some info about self and not dropping bombshells immediately - it is possible later - perhaps some just don't figure it out from the start and maybe the VIP's should remind newcomers as standard practice? [apologizes if you do already - just haven't noticed it much?]
 
Well everyone, I appreciate the fact that people are open to discussion, but the ones that are so adamant that their beliefs is the only one, the correct one, is a failure of the system. All topics regardless of what the issue is should be up for open calm debate. The reason I posted this forum is not to derive hatred or create division, but to try to discuss the facts.

Personally, in response to some people's comments, that I joined 24 hours ago and was or am a troll, is ridiculous. I have been on these forums for a year reading and observing. I joined because I feel that my opinion is valuable in the grand scheme of things. But, it is just that, my opinion.

Some individuals actually posted that there is no free speech here on this forum! Seriously? Is that how far society has fallen? 'I don't like what you say, so you can't say it'. I for one Joined up to serve my country and defend it from enemies to ours and other nations. I paid my price with 20 years of service, several permanent injuries and a new found respect for the truth.

Not my truth or your truth, but the truth. In my time I saw a lot, a lot of fabrications and let's call it like it is, outright lies by the industries and govts we serve. I think most people know by now, or should know by now, that govts all across the world do not have your best interest at heart.

As for my post about this c-19, I am only reflecting on the real truth about what happened. We have all been duped by something much larger than c-19. Yes people died. Yes people got ill, yes people had c-19. But the facts are there if you choose to look for them. I have to wonder why there is a patent for c-19? Can I not wonder why there was a patent for it years prior to the actual pandemic? Are these question not everyone should be asking? Is right there on the web? So how am I making false statements.

Many FOIR have shown govt have no natural occurring form of C-19 sample. So why do they not have it? They have no sample because it does not exist in its current form in nature. If it was altered or patented, then it is man made, and therefore as per part of the UN which most nations are part of illegal. Of course no govt can admit that.

As for injuries from the vaccine, I only looked at VAERS, the CDC and EMA in Europe at their official websites. I did not google or look at alternative media garbage. But here in Europe the numbers are astronomical. No vaccine in history comes even close to the adverse reactions and deaths. The CDC and the VAERS websites show the same. You have to admit it is suspicious. No matter who you are. Right away people jump on the band wagon and label you a tin foil hat wearer, a right wing/left winger etc, a Conspiracy theorist and so on. How about I question everything.

As we all should be doing! Is that not how we advanced from a simple or savage cave dweller all those millennia ago? We asked why, how, who, what and where. Now we believe what the black box tells us. When I heard the term 'don't question the science, the science is settled', I knew something was wrong. That is exactly how you make discoveries. How we advance. We question things. Everything. Can I go faster? Can we create a better product? Can we find a way to do it better? The day we stop asking questions, we begin our de-evolution and our downfall.

I am sorry for the long post once again, and if I offend anyone, I am sorry. But-'I may not agree with what you say, but I defend your right to say it'.
 
lol - OP has displayed all the classic traits of a conspiracy theorist and a troll and his post #69 demonstrate both.

Definition of troll:
a person who intentionally antagonizes others online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content. Internet trolls. In the late 1980s, Internet users adopted the word "troll" to denote someone who intentionally disrupts online communities.

Certainly the title of this thread (and the other thread OP started) were intentionally antagonistic, as are the first post in both threads.

And. like all conspiracy theorist, the OP believes he can see what the rest of us are just too dumb to see, since that is a cornerstone of their psychological profile. ("I joined because I feel that my opinion is valuable in the grand scheme of things") Also by his own admission he does not seek out any information that may be counter to his beliefs (" I did not google or look at alternative media garbage"). Another common attribute of conspiracy theorists is that they often believe in multiple conspiracy theories, even if the are mutually contradictory,

As for his "free speech" comments, the OP is just showing his ignorance as to what that means, since as a part of the TOS on every website I've ever visited, there are multiple restrictions on what can be said. Typically, no obscenities, and on here, no politics, no personal attacks.

Over a 1,000,00 Americans died from Covid, two of my cousins and one friend being among them, so yes I get offended by trolls who post things like "how can anyone still believe in Covid".
 
Tazx said:
Well everyone, I appreciate the fact that people are open to discussion, but the ones that are so adamant that their beliefs is the only one, the correct one, is a failure of the system. All topics regardless of what the issue is should be up for open calm debate. The reason I posted this forum is not to derive hatred or create division, but to try to discuss the fact
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You can have your own beliefs - you cannot have your own facts.

Like somebody said Covid isn't about your beliefs but about fact. - you were not discussing facts, you were presenting unfactual un evidenced theories - and doing so in a provocative way " I'm shocked people on this forum believe in Covid!!"

And no, forums do not allow total free speech- that is nothing new, there have always been restrictions on what can be said. Varies from forum to forum - this one,for example, does not allow politics.
That isnt some " how low things have sunk" but how things have always been.
 
It would not have been impossible to mask seasonal flu as Covid 19 because both kill people. I still think it was all about control and curbing a growing global population. "They" cannot be discussed due to the forum's rules.
 
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