Lithium found in fracking waste water

Agreed. Current lithium battery tech leaves much to be desired.
Where do you get your information from? I replied to Mike's comment and gave a link to a page that talks about 'exploding' lithium batteries. They are apparently, less common than your gas car exploding.
 

Where do you get your information from? I replied to Mike's comment and gave a link to a page that talks about 'exploding' lithium batteries. They are apparently, less common than your gas car exploding.

Lots of reading through the years. They're heavy (damage roads, reduce auto tire life) and perform poorly in cold temps just off the top of my head.
 
Before, just realize the number of Millions of ICE vehicles compared to the 100,000's of EV vehicles.
If counting, figuring 10000 to one odds ICE 300,000,000 its more like million to one odd's, see what I mean. The main
problem with accidents is most likely the distractions today of the Drivers.

Gas vehicles have inertia switches to help with Gasoline catastrophes.
Sure, I have seen Propane RV's blow up and melt down on Blacktop's too.

Maybe the point is that EV Vehicles are in their learning how to walk time Frame, not fully adult 50 years of proving their stuff.
I will let them grow up from toddler infant to spank me teens, and then the second generation of smart asses until them
Childs have their children to decide about what an EV really means to me. (500 mile plus range and chargers all over hell
to choose from)

Some things like the equipment to cool the vehicle with Heat Pump technology, have a large garage to charge them in overnight?
It all adds into what the future costs truly mean to have them. It's just a no brainer. Sure, it's coming, but the costs have to
rapidly de-escalate to happen. Haha, sure it's a really big problem to those that choose to just stay at home. Sounds like
Century 1800's in repetition.
 

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Lots of reading through the years. They're heavy (damage roads, reduce auto tire life) and perform poorly in cold temps just off the top of my head.
Well, some of that might be true, but here in Alberta, we have to pay an extra $200 a year to cover those 'road' costs. And I looked up the tire issue and the answers are all over the place. Some sites say they outlast combustion engine car tires, some say they last only 10,000 km while others say up to 40,000km. According to Nokian Tyres, which is setting up a testing facility in Spain, EV's tires generally last longer because of the driver assist features in the cars.....https://www.nokiantyres.com/company/news-article/there-is-a-common-misconception-related-to-electric-cars-in-reality-tires-will-last-for-a-long-time/

And while we lost a lot of range in our car in the middle of winter, it still performed very well in the cold weather. Calgary is about 45 km from where I live and we had no problem going to the city, driving around on a bunch of errands and getting home with lots of range left. Plug'er in when we get home and we're good to go the next day. So they're good commuting cars and ours isn't even a big car with a top range.
 
Before you get off, just realize the number of Millions of ICE vehicles compared to the 100,000's of EV vehicles.
If you're counting 10000 to one you see what I mean. The main problem with accidents is most likely the
distractions today of the Drivers. Gas vehicles have inertia switches to help with Gasoline catastrophes.
Sure I have seen Propane RV's blow up and melt down on Blacktop's too.

Maybe the point is that EV Vehicles are in their learning how to walk time Frame, not fully adult 50 years of proving their stuff.
I will let them grow up from toddler infant to spank me teens, and then the second generation of smart asses until their
Childs have their children to decide abou[t what an EV really means to me. (500 mile plus range and chargers all over hell
to chose from)
And according to one of the links I left above, EV's power shuts off immediately in a collision and the battery is housed in a protective steel case to prevent injury to that battery. And there are about 40,000,000 EV's in the world currently. That's up from 26,000,000 in 2022. In Canada, we have 789,000.
 
Wrong Deb. The USA has ↓
How many large EV Quick charging stations are there in the USA - Bing

Understand that large fast charging stations are not slow charger home based charging is also important. The waiting lines are going to be large.

The most important warning is plan your trip carefully so you can charge your EV is wise. Most likely the lines will grow long, know your sitting charging to get the most to move on another 150 miles. Oh My God. it's kind of depressing! I know my 1966 GTA Fairlane got 10 MPG and around 180 miles I had to get near 20 gallons of gas for it. 10 minutes was what I needed to refill.
 
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That is a good find, as long as, they keep making Lithium batteries,
there have been so many fires and exploding lithium batteries, that
a more stable type of battery is being sought, whoever finds one is
made for life and lithium will pass into the history books, I am afraid.

Mike.
A couple of days ago, I read that a hotel fire was started due to a lithium battery in one of the guests rooms. I'm sure that's not the first fire caused by a lithium battery.
 
A couple of days ago, I read that a hotel fire was started due to a lithium battery in one of the guests rooms. I'm sure that's not the first fire caused by a lithium battery.
The important thing is that the fire was put out quickly, no one was hurt and the 20-story building wasn't grounded. Thank God for safety !
 
The problem facing "Lithium" batteries, is the nature of
the fires, plus where they happen and at what time.
Wimbledon: Electric double-decker bus catches fire during rush hour

We are constantly reading or hearing about, Electric bikes,
or Scooters, catching fire at night, while being charged, in
most cases, the home is destroyed, I also believe that there
were the deaths of the owners, who were sleeping at the time,
the numbers are so bad, that electric bikes and scooters are
not allowed on any public transport in and around London,
including trains that travel all over the country.

So faulty lithium batteries are a fact.

Mike.

Wimbledon Bus Fire.jpg
 
We have so many dangerous inventions/tools/tech it is incredible. Really. I bet there are major accident reports "hourly" ( at least ) around the world of some "tool" harming us. You can make a living just doing warning labels. We like living with danger, apparently.
 
EV, hybrid, solid state batteries, hydrogen, gas, diesel or whatever. I just know 2 things.
#1, I'm not buying a vehicle for more than I paid for my house.
#2, I'm not walking.
 
Cars seem to be increasing in numbers, Jeeps too. I usually see a Tesla every time I take a drive. White, Black or Charcoal.
Awful large number of daily commuters. The Metro Areas is around 100-mile diameter. If I see 4 Tesla I will have seen near
40 Jeeps, 1000's of Cars, close to equal SUV's. Then the hundreds of Semi's. The Exit Clover Leafs are showing the pain.
 
Wrong Deb. The USA has ↓
How many large EV Quick charging stations are there in the USA - Bing

Understand that large fast charging stations are not slow charger home based charging is also important. The waiting lines are going to be large.

The most important warning is plan your trip carefully so you can charge your EV is wise. Most likely the lines will grow long, know your sitting charging to get the most to move on another 150 miles. Oh My God. it's kind of depressing! I know my 1966 GTA Fairlane got 10 MPG and around 180 miles I had to get near 20 gallons of gas for it. 10 minutes was what I needed to refill.
I think my comment referenced the number of public chargers IN THE WORLD and separately, in Canada. (By the way, my first comment was a misquote on my part, not 789,000 charging stations but actually about 11,000 with about the same average of ports per station). According to this link.....https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-electric-vehicle-charging-stations-are-there-in-the-us/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Alternative%20Fuels,and%203%2C816%20stations%20were%20private. there are 56,000 charging stations with 148,000 ports in them.

So each can accommodate about 2.6 cars (or 2 at some, 3 at others). At this point, as your country is adopting the new technology slower than some European countries, it apparently meets the needs so far but the number will have to triple as time goes by.

My Chevy Bolt gets 370 km or 230 miles to an 80% charge in summer. But while my little, cheaper model takes about 45 minutes to 'fully' charge, others are on the market that will charge in 15 minutes. BMW, Tesla, Lucid Air, Hyundai, Kia.
 
A couple of days ago, I read that a hotel fire was started due to a lithium battery in one of the guests rooms. I'm sure that's not the first fire caused by a lithium battery.
Would that have been in someone's phone? Because I believe in one of the links I found, it said that cars have a safety shut off to prevent lithium battery fires. Maybe those are a new development.
 
The problem facing "Lithium" batteries, is the nature of
the fires, plus where they happen and at what time.
Wimbledon: Electric double-decker bus catches fire during rush hour

We are constantly reading or hearing about, Electric bikes,
or Scooters, catching fire at night, while being charged, in
most cases, the home is destroyed, I also believe that there
were the deaths of the owners, who were sleeping at the time,
the numbers are so bad, that electric bikes and scooters are
not allowed on any public transport in and around London,
including trains that travel all over the country.

So faulty lithium batteries are a fact.

Mike.

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I've never said they aren't but according to a link I read and shared here, the numbers of them that explode and burn are less than ICE fires. So how many people give up their cars because they heard that someone's gas tank exploded?
 
There is no technology -- or anything -- that is safe and secure. Not even this universe itself. ;)
 
Would that have been in someone's phone? Because I believe in one of the links I found, it said that cars have a safety shut off to prevent lithium battery fires. Maybe those are a new development.
I don't know for sure if it was a phone Debrah. You know when they report these stories, they always add that the incidents are under investigation even when an initial suspected cause is mentioned.
 
A misconception of a battery Modules holding the cells inside a flimsy steel case nestled between Chinky bendable frame Unibody parts and not being easily damaged? Sure the Lightning has a full frame but bends in 2 feet when hit in the side. Inertial law is the killer of heavy components, they do not quickly stop moving. Things blow apart.


The car collapses like a cardboard box. Stuff blows apart IMG_0314.jpeg

No mention of liquids that are now a leaking most likely.
Commonly the Battery Charging module may be located right above / close to the Drive Motors. Drive Power
Is most likely fed directly to the Motors first then controlled. That Circuit is most likely fused.
 
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Sure, talking about all the acids adds a 10's of millions of gallons to the mix of vehicles on the road EPA problem?

Understanding these EV vehicles operate from 400 to 800 volts depending on the brand & understanding the explosion / burning radius of 400 to 800 volts suddenly shorted means in Feet. Wear protection even at 10 feet. The fuses on HV power lines light up the sky.
 

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