Charleston Shooter gets his trial date.

This is another example of how or Justice system seems more concerned with supporting thousands of rich lawyers, judges, and massive jail systems. Criminal justice is a huge 300 billion dollar/yr. "Industry" in the U.S. Certainly, when there is any doubt as to a persons guilt, they should be afforded every opportunity to prove their innocence...but when they freely admit their guilt, there are multiple credible witnesses, and the act is even caught on video, there is No Need to spend millions on trials and "warehousing" them in jail. The Insanity Plea is generally Nonsense...as anyone who commits such a crime is Obviously a total Nutcase.

This is one area where the Muslims have demonstrated more sense. When such a person is captured, they hold the trial on Monday, and the execution on Wednesday.
 
It's all about due process and allowing the defendant time to prepare to put on a proper defense. It also allows the Prosecutor and Public Defender or the Defendant's Attorney time to perhaps, cut a deal and avoid a trial, which probably won't happen in this case.
 

It's like the Colorado theater shooter. Does anyone care what happens to James Holmes at this point? I should pay more attention to daily trial proceedings because that's when a lot of facts get a mention their one and only time. I think in the end this Root character will want the state do what he didn't have the guts to do to himself.
 
WhatInThe said:
It's like the Colorado theater shooter. Does anyone care what happens to James Holmes at this point? I should pay more attention to daily trial proceedings because that's when a lot of facts get a mention their one and only time. I think in the end this Root character will want the state do what he didn't have the guts to do to himself.
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I DO care what happens to the Colorado shooter. I hope his insanity defense fails, because if it succeeds he gets put into a mental health facility for an indeterminate time and at some point could convince the system he is "rehabilitated" and be turned loose out on the streets. This guy belongs behind bars for the rest of his life, at a minimum, for all the death, pain and suffering he caused to the innocent people he mowed down.
 
911 said:
It's all about due process and allowing the defendant time to prepare to put on a proper defense. It also allows the Prosecutor and Public Defender or the Defendant's Attorney time to perhaps, cut a deal and avoid a trial, which probably won't happen in this case.
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Absolutely. Regardless of what he did, the Constitution guarantees him a fair trial. Awfully slippery slope for people to start deciding who deserves an trial and who does not.
 
Butterfly said:
I DO care what happens to the Colorado shooter. I hope his insanity defense fails, because if it succeeds he gets put into a mental health facility for an indeterminate time and at some point could convince the system he is "rehabilitated" and be turned loose out on the streets. This guy belongs behind bars for the rest of his life, at a minimum, for all the death, pain and suffering he caused to the innocent people he mowed down.
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I hope so to. I heard something the other day with news in the background and supposedly this Holmes guy was sit in is own feces in the fetal position? Did I hear right. This was post arrest behavior I assume?

The thing with this Root guy since his drug arrests are known/documented I smell a temporary insanity defense IF he lets the lawyers do it. Drugs abuse causes a lot of problems or issue among them impulse control ie Root and others are only doing what they really want to do where a sober person could control those urges. He was a racist or had racist views no matter how one spins his behavior since a teen. I think in the early stages in the Holmes trial/investigation medical privacy came into play.
 
Butterfly said:
I DO care what happens to the Colorado shooter. I hope his insanity defense fails, because if it succeeds he gets put into a mental health facility for an indeterminate time and at some point could convince the system he is "rehabilitated" and be turned loose out on the streets. This guy belongs behind bars for the rest of his life, at a minimum, for all the death, pain and suffering he caused to the innocent people he mowed down.
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My husband just said he heard they ruled guilty...now they have to decide whether to give him life in prison or death. Either if fine with me.

WhatInThe said:
I hope so to. I heard something the other day with news in the background and supposedly this Holmes guy was sit in is own feces in the fetal position? Did I hear right. This was post arrest behavior I assume?
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This guy is a smart cookie, of course he realized, and was probably told by his lawyer from the getgo, to act crazy as a loon in jail, to try and prove insanity. What he pulled off was very well planned, he's no dummy and far from crazy.
 
Shalimar said:
I hope he is incarcerated for the rest of his life.
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This James Holmes is about 27 years old. If he is given a life sentence, there is a good chance that he will be in prison for about 50 years. On a national average, it costs the taxpayers about $35,000 a year to keep a person in prison. If Holmes lives to be in his mid-70's, it will cost about $1,750,000 to "warehouse" him. If he is given the death penalty, it will take about 15 years to go through all the appeals, etc., he will be entitled to...which, when all the lawyers fee's and court costs are added up...will eventually cost between 1.5 and 3 million dollars of taxpayer money.

I am all for due process of the law, but it seems to me that when a person is so obviously guilty, our tax dollars could be far better spent on serving the needs of our nations good and honest people. We spend 10's...perhaps 100's...of billions of dollars every year on our career criminals and misfits...and the army of lawyers, etc., needed to keep this "Industry" going.
 
I respect your point of view, Don. It hardly seems fair to spend that amount of money on a rabid killer when there are so many worthy places for it to be effective. For me, there is no good choice here, just the right choice. As a Canadian, and a human being, I utterly reject capital punishment, and regrettably, I have far too much personal experience around violence and murder to not understand what my stance entails. Do I thirst for revenge on occasion? You bet I do. However, I choose to settle for what my conscience dictates is justice.
 
Don M. said:
This James Holmes is about 27 years old. If he is given a life sentence, there is a good chance that he will be in prison for about 50 years. On a national average, it costs the taxpayers about $35,000 a year to keep a person in prison. If Holmes lives to be in his mid-70's, it will cost about $1,750,000 to "warehouse" him. If he is given the death penalty, it will take about 15 years to go through all the appeals, etc., he will be entitled to...which, when all the lawyers fee's and court costs are added up...will eventually cost between 1.5 and 3 million dollars of taxpayer money.

I am all for due process of the law, but it seems to me that when a person is so obviously guilty, our tax dollars could be far better spent on serving the needs of our nations good and honest people. We spend 10's...perhaps 100's...of billions of dollars every year on our career criminals and misfits...and the army of lawyers, etc., needed to keep this "Industry" going.
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The problem is selective due process isn't due process at all. Since all are deemed equal before the law in this country (arguably this doesn't always work), everyone gets due process of law, which includes the right to appeal. The idea of due process of law goes all the way back to the Magna Carta. IMHO, without due process of law, we could end up with judicial chaos and lynch mob mentality, such as that seen in some other countries.
 
Butterfly said:
I DO care what happens to the Colorado shooter. I hope his insanity defense fails, because if it succeeds he gets put into a mental health facility for an indeterminate time and at some point could convince the system he is "rehabilitated" and be turned loose out on the streets. This guy belongs behind bars for the rest of his life, at a minimum, for all the death, pain and suffering he caused to the innocent people he mowed down.
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Can you say John Hinckley ?
 
Proving insanity is a really tough job for a defense attorney these days. We know so much more about the brain and what parts of the brain control what actions or emotions. Just because people do stupid things or acts like a moron does not get him or her an acceptable insanity plea. Many psychiatrists are involved in the process from both sides. When someone commits an intolerable act, we say, "that guy has to be crazy" or "you have to be nuts to do something like that." Maybe so, but being insane goes above that. The first question they ask in court from any psychiatrist is "Did the defendant know right from wrong?" If the answer is yes, then it's usually, "bye-bye."
 

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