Am genuinely worried about what is happening in UK

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OK. Now that I've had my fun stirring this pile of dog shit I'm going to leave it to you. I trust this will meet with your approval.
 
yes ,everyone has their reasons why their anti immigrants stance is justified and their situation so unique and different to everyone elses to make that so.
 

January said:
I think Wikipedia statements are usually true - it presents facts objectively and cites it sources - you can contact them if you have information showing something there is incorrect.

or post your more correct facts here ,with cited sources like Wiki does.
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Just wanted to add, no academic publisher considers Wikipedia a legitimate source. Citations from it are frowned upon and usually not permitted at all because of issues with accuracy and bias.
 
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Now Southern Ireland is a completely different kettle of fish... no comparison between that and Somerset..

of course right now, Southern Ireland are having their own Massive problems with Immigrants... it's just an absolute disgrace... Immigrants in Dublin are blatantly attacking or attempting to attack young women in broad daylight... they're camping all along the streets like the homeless do in California.. the Irish are absolutely protesting against these people..

My worry is they will all come here and join the millions we already have..

I could on and on.. but it's highly political so I better stop
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I agree but, having had great times in both, I love them equally :)

I think, you and other posters are referring to illegal immigrants rather than legal immigrants? I would be surprised (and saddened) if people were talking about those who have arrived legally with the hope and intent to settle, contribute and embrace their new chosen home.

I doubt that any country is able to cope with boatloads of people arriving every day. Illegal immigrants are often undocumented and, especially in today's climate, there does need to be some control over who enters a country.
 
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chic said:
There are immigrants in the U.K. with no desire to be absorbed into British culture. They are in opposition to it. I think British people do have a genuine problem here and it's one that is not being addressed adequately.
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Perhaps, people in the UK and other European countries should have more babies and not depend on migrants for future citizens and workers.
 
I haven't been keeping up with overseas issues since I retired just last winter. After reading some of these posts, I had to quit. I used to look forward going to the UK whether it was on business or pleasure. I was always treated extremely well and the people I associated with also welcomed me with their great hospitality.

I wasn't aware that the country is in such disarray as it is. What's the cause of the chaos? The UK may be experiencing some of what has been going on here in the U.S. If it is, I would have to say that this all didn't happen by accident. It's been premeditated for some political reasons, which we are not permitted to discuss and that's fine with me. It would be nice, however, if we could turn back the hands of time, say maybe 34 years. I suppose that would be expecting too much.

What troubles me is the amount of money we (citizens in the U.S.) are having to spend. I'm not sure where the money is coming from. Does anyone know? All I hear now are rumors about the money we are spending to support the people coming across the border, the money we are paying off student loans, and what we have to pay to have oil shipped into the country.
 
January said:
I think Wikipedia statements are usually true - it presents facts objectively and cites it sources - you can contact them if you have information showing something there is incorrect.

or post your more correct facts here ,with cited sources like Wiki does.
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The problem is Wikipedia readers often don't check the sources for bias. You can pick a subject...nearly any subject these days unfortunately and write a polarized article.

Also, the Wikipedia link that @Trade posted this morning might have different content next week. It's a good place to start research (with discernment) into a topic but there are sound reasons it's not accepted in academia.
 
dilettante said:
Shouldn't this be in the "More people just don't want kids" thread?

Immigration policy is a direct consequence of policies curbing the birth of native children.
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That would be okay if immigrants were coming through the system legally and were vetted before entrance. The hoards arriving in the UK in boats and the masses crossing our US southern border are not vetted and eventually the scales will tip to chaos, especially in the UK.
 
chic said:
There are immigrants in the U.K. with no desire to be absorbed into British culture. They are in opposition to it. I think British people do have a genuine problem here and it's one that is not being addressed adequately.
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I can understand their concern. Last week we had people in the USA tear down the American Flags, burn them, and then replace them with the flags of a foreign group. Message received, loud and clear.
 
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Trish said:
I agree but, having had great times in both, I love them equally :)

I think, you and other posters are referring to illegal immigrants rather than legal immigrants? I would be surprised (and saddened) if people were talking about those who have arrived legally with the hope and intent to settle, contribute and embrace their new chosen home.

I doubt that any country is able to cope with boatloads of people arriving every day. Illegal immigrants are often undocumented and, especially in today's climate, there does need to be some control over who enters a country.
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...absolutely true in what you say...however this latest killing were carried out by yet another offspring of legal Immigrants ....
 
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Hundreds of protesters gather in London today....against illegal immigration

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What I don’t understand is how some people mix illegal immigration with those who come legally. How difficult is it to understand the difference? If you invite somebody into your home to fix your washer, or to have a chat over a cup of coffee that is one thing. If sombody sneaks into your house, raids your refrigerator and takes a snooze on your couch that is different. Right? Why is that so hard for people to understand?
 
I was wondering why I didn't see anyone post about this...then realized your thread covered this horrible news report. I just don't know what's going on in the world! Those poor babies, they must've been so frightened and traumatized. I hope they all survive and are not physically too badly injured but mentally will be another story. I'm glad they got that monster and I hope he will be punished swiftly and harshly.
 
AnnieA said:
The problem is Wikipedia readers often don't check the sources for bias. You can pick a subject...nearly any subject these days unfortunately and write a polarized article.

Also, the Wikipedia link that @Trade posted this morning might have different content next week. It's a good place to start research (with discernment) into a topic but there are sound reasons it's not accepted in academia.
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Sure, if you are writing a university thesis.

For general information - it seems people only disputing its accuracy when it says something that doesn't suit their narrative.
And yes of course it might have added information next week- unlikely to be complete different and unlikely to be added to frequently but, yes of course information gets updated.
 
Brookswood said:
What I don’t understand is how some people mix illegal immigration with those who come legally. How difficult is it to understand the difference? If you invite somebody into your home to fix your washer, or to have a chat over a cup of coffee that is one thing. If sombody sneaks into your house, raids your refrigerator and takes a snooze on your couch that is different. Right? Why is that so hard for people to understand?
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Yes- what do these riots have to do with this crime?

Suspect was not an illegal immigrant - was not even an immigrant, he was born in Cardiff.

Doesn't take much to set off some racist thugs.
 
January said:
Yes- what do these riots have to do with this crime?

Suspect was not an illegal immigrant - was not even an immigrant, he was born in Cardiff.

Doesn't take much to set off some racist thugs.
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I'm presuming you are referring to the riots in Southport afterward, outside a mosque, and in surrounding streets? It was reported that many of the rioters were from the English Defence League (EDL). If I'm not mistaken, the EDL was founded in Luton around 2009, with many of its initial members coming from Football Hooligan 'Firms'. The EDL has at times been described as 'Rent a Mob'. It went into decline about ten years later. Some supporters of the group were convicted of plotting to bomb mosques, and links were revealed with far-right terrorist groups.

The rioting may have taken place due to the alleged name of the killer circulating on social media. The EDL may have picked up on this misinformation and then moved into Southport to protest and riot. The police have recently stated that the name circulating of the attacker is incorrect.
 

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