Am genuinely worried about what is happening in UK

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It’s currently being widely reported that Axel Muganwa Rudakubana has been described by a neighbour as a "quiet choir boy", whose family were deeply involved in the local church, his farther being a Christian from Rwanda. According to the CIA website, Rwanda's population is 95.9% Christian.

Also, it was reported that Axel could sometimes be heard singing in the family home, and it’s said that he appeared in a musical in Shaftesbury Theatre in the West End with a school drama group. Otherwise, he was “…very quiet, an introvert…”

It was reported that in court he was rocking back and forth, and side to side. The prosecution said the he had an “autism spectrum disorder diagnosis”, and that he had been “unwilling to leave the house and communicate with family for a period of time”.
 
Magna-Carta said:
It’s currently being widely reported that Axel Muganwa Rudakubana has been described by a neighbour as a "quiet choir boy", whose family were deeply involved in the local church, his farther being a Christian from Rwanda. According to the CIA website, Rwanda's population is 95.9% Christian.

Also, it was reported that Axel could sometimes be heard singing in the family home, and it’s said that he appeared in a musical in Shaftesbury Theatre in the West End with a school drama group. Otherwise, he was “…very quiet, an introvert…”

It was reported that in court he was rocking back and forth, and side to side. The prosecution said the he had an “autism spectrum disorder diagnosis”, and that he had been “unwilling to leave the house and communicate with family for a period of time”.
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Was the diagnosis made before or after, another question which people in UK will demand an answer too. Those protesting on the streets are not going to wait, act first ask questions later. As soon as facts are known they should be made public, might avoid more violence and thwart those wishing to spread misinformation.
 

911 said:
I can’t put my finger on any one thing, but when an adult kills a child, it really touches my soul. It sometimes makes me feel like I would like to see Justice done immediately. From the courtroom to the death house.
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I think that is a natural reaction. It is very difficult to feel anything other than repulsion towards someone who commits such dreadful acts.
 
Winston Churchill is credited with saying “Never let a good crisis go to waste.”

Sounds like the far left is taking advantage of that very advice to make hay.
 
Life without parole keeps them off the streets as well, and seems to me a much more civilized way of handling crime. This is not coddling; there is nothing enjoyable about being locked up in one of those hellholes for the rest of one's life.
 
Sunny said:
Life without parole keeps them off the streets as well, and seems to me a much more civilized way of handling crime. This is not coddling; there is nothing enjoyable about being locked up in one of those hellholes for the rest of one's life.
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I agree. I think it's worse than death.
 
hollydolly said:
1,592 people have been executed in the U.S. since 1973.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/states-with-the-most-executions
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I'm not arguing the facts, Hols. I mean none of the executions have been high profile cases so the general public would not be aware of them. This is why I rarely ever hear of them.

And when in prison the despicable Ted Bundy did help police to catch serial killer Gary Ridgway. If he had been executed too fast he would not have been able to do that and a lot more girls would have been killed by Ridgway.

I'm just trying to examine all angles of the issue.
 
chic said:
And when in prison the despicable Ted Bundy did help police to catch serial killer Gary Ridgway. If he had been executed too fast he would not have been able to do that and a lot more girls would have been killed by Ridgway.
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As a foreigner from Europe I must admit that in the beginning I didn't know anything of Ted Bundy. I even confused him with the fictional character Al Bundy who obviously was part of a sitcom, which I didn't know also :ROFLMAO:.
 
January said:
Seems more to me that the far right is doing so - all these xenophobic thugs rioting are not from far left.
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I was referring to post #206 above making political hay on this tragedy.

That whipped up fluff from the BBC is hardly any egg white and mostly hot air.
 
chic said:
I agree. I think it's worse than death.
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If that were true why do so many murderers that are facing the death penalty attempt to cut a deal with the D.A. to voluntarily confess if they take getting the death penalty off the table?

I have been in prisons and also been on death row. The prisoners sitting in the general population areas don’t have such a bad life. They are permitted TV sets, radios, they are allowed their own stash of goodies like; candy, chips, etc. Some have jobs and some don’t. If they are forced to work, they usually find a way out of it by going to church, attending club meetings and so on.

Sitting on death row is very unpleasant. They have very few privileges. No TV’s is one of them. They get 3 showers per week and are allowed out of their cell 1 hour per day where they can go to the yard or the all purpose room to watch a bit of TV.

The big argument has always been that it costs a lot of money to keep a prisoner on death row. By the time the state pays for all of the appeals, lawyers, collecting evidence, plus clothing and feeding them is a waste of money. Most prisoners do not get the best medical treatment. If they have cancer, they can figure they don’t have a lot of time left. I went over to New Jersey just before retirement to bring back a lifer to PA and the Assistant Warden had told me the average age of a male that was sentenced to life dies around the age of 59.
 
chic said:
I'm not arguing the facts, Hols. I mean none of the executions have been high profile cases so the general public would not be aware of them. This is why I rarely ever hear of them.

And when in prison the despicable Ted Bundy did help police to catch serial killer Gary Ridgway. If he had been executed too fast he would not have been able to do that and a lot more girls would have been killed by Ridgway.

I'm just trying to examine all angles of the issue.
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I have just been watching an interview with Gary Ridgeway...honestly you would think butter wouldn't melt....

 
dilettante said:
Winston Churchill is credited with saying “Never let a good crisis go to waste.”

Sounds like the far left is taking advantage of that very advice to make hay.
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January said:
Seems more to me that the far right is doing so - all these xenophobic thugs rioting are not from far left.
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The two of you are exactly what's wrong with our increasingly polarized Western society. Perfect examples throughout numerous threads of "go team" ideological mindset.

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911 said:
If that were true why do so many murderers that are facing the death penalty attempt to cut a deal with the D.A. to voluntarily confess if they take getting the death penalty off the table?

I have been in prisons and also been on death row. The prisoners sitting in the general population areas don’t have such a bad life. They are permitted TV sets, radios, they are allowed their own stash of goodies like; candy, chips, etc. Some have jobs and some don’t. If they are forced to work, they usually find a way out of it by going to church, attending club meetings and so on.

Sitting on death row is very unpleasant. They have very few privileges. No TV’s is one of them. They get 3 showers per week and are allowed out of their cell 1 hour per day where they can go to the yard or the all purpose room to watch a bit of TV.

The big argument has always been that it costs a lot of money to keep a prisoner on death row. By the time the state pays for all of the appeals, lawyers, collecting evidence, plus clothing and feeding them is a waste of money. Most prisoners do not get the best medical treatment. If they have cancer, they can figure they don’t have a lot of time left. I went over to New Jersey just before retirement to bring back a lifer to PA and the Assistant Warden had told me the average age of a male that was sentenced to life dies around the age of 59.
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Why did Tim Mcveigh request to be executed? Was it for the reasons you mention?
 
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Sunny said:
Life without parole keeps them off the streets as well, and seems to me a much more civilized way of handling crime. This is not coddling; there is nothing enjoyable about being locked up in one of those hellholes for the rest of one's life.
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...but there is for many.

Many are very institutionalised..they find comfort in gang membership.. they have sexual liaisons .. they get fed, they're kept warm, they earn money, they get to live with many of their friends and compadres...they never have to think for themselves.. They never have to pay a bill.. they never have to take responsibility for themselves...or their families..

A high percentage get to be bullies, and equally bullied.. but they seek comfort from gang members , and wallow in that master slave relationship.. They get to play Games, go to the gym, play sports.... get visitors when they want them, and those who don't make the other prisoners their families.. and become so institutionalised it's very common for someone to be released from prison and commit a crime within the first hour to be returned



This is why there are such high number of repeat offenders.. they actually enjoy being inside somewhere that structures their lives for them

Most prisons in the western world are far from Hell Holes. If they were more like those in South America or in Russia.. there might not be quite as many repeat offenders
 
Talking of serial killers, here's a probably little known fact... that the vast majority of serial killers were born in February. A massive 38 serial killer were born in February.. most of the Aquarians ...second to that at 17 are those born in November

ETA... here's an actual updated list which finds that actually the most Serial Killers are Capricorn... 55 of them..followed by


LEO : 46
Scorpio 43:
Sagittarius 43
Aquarius : 42
Libra : 42
Aries: 42
Pisces:40
Gemini:40
Virgo :39
Cancer:34
Taurus : 22..
Luis Garavito .( born 1957). is credited with killing the most people , confirmed 147.... is/was an Aquarian.

United states has the most serial killers in the world =327...

Shamefully followed by the UK =62 serial Killers

Then Russia, Australia & Germany .. 21
The South Africa, France & Canada = 20..

... and so on... until the very least...Cyprus, Panama, Latvia Hungary, Egypt, Sweden .. at one serial killer
 
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AnnieA said:
The two of you are exactly what's wrong with our increasingly polarized Western society. Perfect examples throughout numerous threads of "go team" ideological mindset.

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umm, righto. 😵‍💫

Actually my westernized society is not polarized the way US is at the moment - but anyway we all post though our "ideological mindset"

Preferably without personal remarks - which neither dilettante nor I did - unlike your own post about us.
 
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