Ashley Maddison Hack - WDYT?

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Warrigal

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I have a puritanical streak that I struggle with at times but when it comes to Ashley Madison I don't even try. I'm affronted by a site that facilitates cheating by marrieds but then I am a very old fashioned girl.

The fact that the site has been hacked and the clients personal details may be exposed doesn't concern me at all but perhaps I should be worried. There are things in this article that could be important to other sites we visit.

WDYT?

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/20/9007039/ashley-madison-hack-explained
 

I think that the hack and subsequent blackmail is more morally repugnant than the content of the site itself. It has the potential to expand into other areas of society such as religion and politics.
 
I agree about the blackmail bit but religion and politics? Explain this leap of logic please.

It certainly has the potential to reveal just how insecure any website can be.
I thought the weak link about paying to have your data deleted but paying for it with a credit card is worth paying attention to.
 

Dame Warrigal said:
I agree about the blackmail bit but religion and politics? Explain this leap of logic please.
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If a site is hacked because the hackers disagree with the morality of it, then sites that advocate alternative beliefs of any type are fair game.

It certainly has the potential to reveal just how insecure any website can be.
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Not sure what level of security they had, though - but yes, the potential is always there. The same old cops and robbers routine ...

I thought the weak link about paying to have your data deleted but paying for it with a credit card is worth paying attention to.
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They're cheaters - I doubt they're rocket scientists. ;)
 
Hmmmm.

Yes, I’ve seen interviews with the owner of Ashley Madison and members do pay – and the fee is not cheap. Using such a site to get some nookie is pretty pathetic. But people connect via personal ads and various internet sites every day - for free.

I don’t like the idea of the hack and blackmail. Moral police and extortionists….ugh. So they are cheaters – they are what they are. That’s their spouse’s problem.
 
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Money or no money. The hackers are wrong. Moral principles for violating laws by hacking doesn't excuse them. They may be convinced "god told me to do this", but so have hundreds of murders tried to tell us that was justification for their acts.
 
Did the hackers mention God? Or are they questioning the ethics of Ashley Madison's business model ?
I hear the hackers saying that they are defrauding their customers by guaranteeing a level of security that they can't deliver.

I doubt that they are expecting AM to cease business but they may be looking for a career in cyber security.
Hackers often land on their feet this way.
 
Why would you trust a firm to act ethically with your personal information when their business model promotes breaking the trust of your life partner?
It makes as much sense as trusting a pimp or a drug dealer with your wallet.
 
Anyone can "promote" anything. I can tell a bunch of people it will be fun for them to go cheat on their spouses, and if they do who is at fault? Me? :confused: I think not.
 
applecruncher said:
Anyone can "promote" anything. I can tell a bunch of people it will be fun for them to go cheat on their spouses, and if they do who is at fault? Me? :confused: I think not.
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I see your point about the cheaters but what about the business model that charges money for facilitating their weakness ?
For the record, I'm not impressed by the business model of online betting agencies either. I see them as vultures feeding on the weak.
 
I see I'm on my own here.

I still think fidelity and loyalty within marriage should be encouraged and supported by society, not attacked for profit.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
I see I'm on my own here.

I still think fidelity and loyalty within marriage should be encouraged and supported by society, not attacked for profit.
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Step down a few notches, DW.

You are certainly not the only person who feels that fidelity and loyalty should be promoted. Ashley Madison (which is a Canadian based service) does not speak for or represent everyone.

Unfortunately, no one person or group of people can dictate or control what ‘society’ does. Adults want what they want, and they will do whatever they want to do.
 
applecruncher said:
Step down a few notches, DW.
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Shan't. I stand fast on this one. I'm not dictating, just expressing myself.
Madison Ashley's business model is monumentally unethical

Ethical principles include:

  • Beneficence - to do good.
  • Non-maleficence - to do no harm.
  • Respect for Autonomy.
  • Fairness.
  • Truthfulness.
  • Justice.

And the good they do is? They make profit?

They advertise that they strengthen marriages which brings us to item #5. Are they wilfully deceiving customers? Also, it is reported that many of the female clients on show aren't real? Elements of a scam?

Do no harm? They claim that they are protecting their clients by maintaining their anonymity but it would seem that they have failed in this respect. A lot of marriages are now at risk. Are they blameless for any adverse outcome for their clients?

Truthfulness? T'd like to see the contract that clients agree to when they sign up. Is AM upfront about the risks?

Fairness? To whom? Their customers? Given that the site is specifically for married people, are they being fair to the others in the marriages - the spouse, the children?

Justice? Well, I guess they are within the law.


In the end, I have nothing but contempt for the whole enterprise.
Now I taken it up a few notches and I'd better rest my case before I have an apoplexy.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Shan't. I stand fast on this one. I'm not dictating, just expressing myself.
Madison Ashley's business model is monumentally unethical

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You’ll have to (step down). Your “I must be alone” or whatever is inaccurate. You can stand by your ethics …that’s fine, :shrug: but it's beside the point. We're talking biscuits vs bread. You're acting like everyone is saying "Hey! What's the big deal? I think adultery is great!" You're trying to put words into various mouths, and it's not working.

I never said AM was ethical, and I’m not seeing where anyone else did. I also don’t need you to explain ethics (and I don't think anyone else in the thread does), especially in such a haughty tone.
 
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