What heaven's really like - by a top brain surgeon

George1959 said:
This was what moved me most, since I had a twin sister, who died at three months.

That consciousness exists outside of the brain is certain in my opinion. Otherwise reincarnation wouldn't exist. But I know from a case in my family that it exists. The Dutch cardiologist Pim van Lommel tells in his book

Consciousness Beyond Life: The Science of the Near-Death Experience​

the story of a woman who had no brain activity during a dangerous surgery for a brain aneurysma. Her eyes were covered also but she could exactly describe the instruments used for surgery and the staff.

And there is another story of a NDE in which a man also met his dead sister he never knew.

That Christian scriptures are 2000 years old is no proof for their credibility. Buddhist writings are older, but I won't believe them without proof. The mentioned case of reincarnation which I do not want to tell, gave me credibility. This is what counts for me, of course not for everyone. But I am far away from wanting to convince other people that reincarnation exists.
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Oh Really?
12 Reasons To Trust The New Testament

You don't say?

 
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George1959 said:
I've read the "12 Reasons" of your link before, but it didn't convince me. To each his own.
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Well, neither do your reasons convince me. :)

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This was what moved me most, since I had a twin sister, who died at three months.
That consciousness exists outside of the brain is certain in my opinion.

Response:
Such has not been scientifically confirmed. So it is merely your personal opinion.

Comment:
Otherwise reincarnation wouldn't exist.

Response:
LOL! Once again, this has not been scientifically confirmed and is merely your personal opinion.

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But I know from a case in my family that it exists.

Response:
Your experience can be very easily explained away by saying that evil spirts were attempting to decieve you.

Claim:
The Dutch cardiologist Pim van Lommel tells in his book
Consciousness Beyond Life: The Science of the Near-Death Experience
the story of a woman who had no brain activity during a dangerous surgery for a brain aneurysma. Her eyes were covered also but she could exactly describe the instruments used for surgery and the staff.

Response:
Well, once again, unclean or evil spirits, or demons, could have easily revealed those things to her afterwards. After all, they regularly reveal such things via humans who serve as intermediaries or mediums. An activity that is clearly condemnd because demonsare involved.

Leviticus 19:31
You must not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out, or you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:6
Whoever turns to mediums or spiritists to prostitute himself with them, I will also set My face against that person and cut him off from his people.

Leviticus 20:27
A man or a woman who is a medium or spiritist must surely be put to death. They shall be stoned; their blood is upon them.'"
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And there is another story of a NDE in which a man also met his dead sister he never knew.

Response:
Again, evil spirits could be involved in order to deceive. You know, cunningly attempting the perpetuation of the “You will not die!” lie Satan used in Eden? After all, they were involved via using a witch as a medium in the case of king Saul when an evil spirit cunningly mimicked resurrecting the prophet Samuel.


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That Christian scriptures are 2000 years old is no proof for their credibility.

Response:
Well, Gee! Please note that nobody is claiming that the NT is reliable or true simply because it is 2000 years old. That is your straw man argument.


BTW: Some of what I post is intended for believers in the Bible, and not because I think that it will convince a nonbeliever such as you. In short: To each his own.
 
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Radrook said:
Well, neither do your reasons convince me. :)

Comment:
This was what moved me most, since I had a twin sister, who died at three months.
That consciousness exists outside of the brain is certain in my opinion.

Response:
Such has not been scientifically confirmed. So it is merely your personal opinion.

Comment:
Otherwise reincarnation wouldn't exist.

Response:
LOL! Once again, this has not been scientifically confirmed and is merely your personal opinion.

Comment
But I know from a case in my family that it exists.

Response:
Your experience can be very easily explained away by saying that evil spirts were attempting to decieve you.

Claim:
The Dutch cardiologist Pim van Lommel tells in his book
Consciousness Beyond Life: The Science of the Near-Death Experience
the story of a woman who had no brain activity during a dangerous surgery for a brain aneurysma. Her eyes were covered also but she could exactly describe the instruments used for surgery and the staff.

Response:
Well, once again, unclean or evil spirits, or demons, could have easily revealed those things to her afterwards. After all, they regularly reveal such things via humans who serve as intermediaries or mediums. An activity that is clearly condemnd because demonsare involved.




Claim
And there is another story of a NDE in which a man also met his dead sister he never knew.

Response:
Again, evil spirits could be involved in order to deceive. You know, cunningly attempting the perpetuation of the “You will not die!” lie Satan used in Eden? After all, they were involved via using a witch as a medium in the case of king Saul when an evil spirit cunningly mimicked resurrecting the prophet Samuel.


Comment:
That Christian scriptures are 2000 years old is no proof for their credibility.

Response:
Well, Gee! Please note that nobody is claiming that the NT is reliable or true simply because it is 2000 years old. That is your straw man argument.


BTW: Some of what I post is intended for believers in the Bible, and not because I think that it will convince a nonbeliever such as you. In short: To each his own.
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I have blocked only very few people, but you have the honor to be one of them now. Good Bye!
 
Radrook said:
Very true. Also, atheism is pounded into their minds via the government's education system. So they gradually become veritable robots mindlessly supporting the concept of a Godless universe as an indisputable truth.
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is it ?.. that surprises me , I thought the USA was very church orientated
 
hollydolly said:
is it ?.. that surprises me , I thought the USA was very church orientated
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Is that why the USA banned school prayers, favors the spread of atheistic evolution doctrines in its schools, and has a Constitution requiring the separation of church and state, because it is church oriented?
 
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A long time ago while pondering this issue, I ...theorized.... that ....POSSIBLY....
Life is like a pupal stage during which sensory input ...could... be useful maybe later.
And death ...could.. be the metamorphosis into pure ...thought. A "soul" if you please. :unsure:

Then, released from that form, one could enVISION infinite travel with no "vital requirements."
Limitless and vague but quite likely very entertaining. :)

Disclaimer:
I believe atheism foolish.
I identify as ...agnostic. Since I do NOT know.
 
Radrook said:
Is that why the USA banned school prayers, favors the spread of atheistic evolution doctrines in its schools, and has a Constitution requiring the separation of church and state, because it is church oriented?
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I wouldn't have a clue ..I don't live in the USA...but I do know there is no other country that has as many evangelists...
 
hollydolly said:
shame isn't it ?... :(
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True. It is a shame that is was cunningly diverted to an attack on the veracity of the Bible instead of staying on topic.
hollydolly said:
I wouldn't have a clue ..I don't live in the USA...but I do know there is no other country that has as many evangelists...
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Nominal. My father was a nominal Evangelist and was very unreligious. BTW: Not living in a country doesn't prevent familiarity with its culture. Imagine that being requirement in order to pass courses in European History, or Anthropology or Sociology! Yikes!
 
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Paco Dennis said:
I read a book when in my teens that had a lot of people have a reading by a famous psychic. He almost always said that the person ( normal regular people ) was once someone super famous. like Stalin, or Picasso, or one of the 1000 other famous people of old. I thought hat was pretty weird. Then I studied it from a Buddhist perspective. It is taught by Buddhism and the transmigration of "soul" is controversial within Buddhism.

It doesn't matter to me. There is work to be done now. So whatever your background, or present reality, I can't wait around for "The answer". All this reincarnation is to bring us closer to being a true human being integrated with the universe.
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Or it can be the cunning perpetuation of the original lie told by Satan, that when humans die, as God said that they would, they don't really die at all, and that God was a lying. After all, it fits right in with his cunning defamatory rhetoric.
 
Radrook said:
Is that why the USA banned school prayers, favors the spread of atheistic evolution doctrines in its schools, and has a Constitution requiring the separation of church and state, because it is church oriented?
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No. It's because the U.S. Is not a Theocracy
 
Olivia said:
Exactly! We can save the Arm Wrestling for later.
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False analogy
False analogy
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BTW I am merely expressing my opinion just as everyone else is expressing theirs on this thread. If indeed that constitutes arm-wrestling to some, well, I guess that's their perception. Curiously, anything that contradicts anything else can be tagged as arm-wrestling. Especially when it might disagree with some very popular opinions. Many Russians consider Zelensky's objections arm-wrestling.




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My initial speculative interpretation is different.

Basically IMO, his executive control decision making decider brain process is confabulating from what it is aware of from floating about in a unique unusual coma situation within his vast dual ported memory of experiences the brain somehow records with chemical layering. In his coma, he was fully disconnected from his external sense ports and without any control to his motor control system. One needs to understand, what we have brain mental field awareness of, is not all our external sense neurons (like your eye nerve ends or taste buds, etc) but rather an internal neural representation of the sense fields (homunculus) and motor fields modulated by a confabulating process that works to modulate that dual ported memory to predict moment to moment experiences.

Homunculus - Wikipedia

Thus the baseball outfielder running down an outfield fly ball. The eye visual system is constantly making crude estimations (confabulations) of where the ball is heading and in turn his motor system is moving just so it ends up in his glove. In the surgeons case, the memory port to the incoming senses were attenuated maybe via hypothalamus controls. I've sort of experienced that realm myself.

This person is an unusual dreamer as all my life I seemed to dream 100% of the time I am asleep even if just for moments. So have a rich mature brain memory dream life. I can assure anyone that the internal visual visceral experiences I have while dreaming though also dimensionally dimmed by dreaming, are in an awareness level way, just as intense and vivid mentally as any from my live experiences. And I know why because of my view of brain structure.

So IMO, the surgeon was just confabulating off his own mind. Could make a successful book and will certainly interest many ordinary folk who want to go to Heaven. Certainly not going somewhere within another dimension we don't sense or experience, that is nonsense. Yes indeed that experience can seem amazingly real because it is our actual memories being electromagnetically accessed into our whole resonant oscillating standing wave brain fields that seems to have a global awareness by the self part of mind.

...with winter coming, hoping for a snow skiing dream tonight.
 

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