What heaven's really like - by a top brain surgeon

My initial speculative interpretation is different.

Basically IMO, his executive control decision making decider brain process is confabulating from what it is aware of from floating about in a unique unusual coma situation within his vast dual ported memory of experiences the brain somehow records with chemical layering. In his coma, he was fully disconnected from his external sense ports and without any control to his motor control system.

This person is an unusual dreamer as all my life I seemed to dream 100% of the time I am asleep even if just for moments. So have a rich mature brain memory dream life. I can assure anyone that the internal visual visceral experiences I have while dreaming though also dimensionally dimmed by dreaming, are in an awareness level way, just as intense and vivid mentally as any from my live experiences. And I know why because of my view of brain structure.

So the surgeon was just confabulating off his own mind. Certainly not going somewhere within another dimension we don't sense or experience that is nonsense. Yes indeed that experience can seem amazingly real because it is our actual memories being electromagnetically accessed into our whole electromagnetic oscillating standing wave brain fields that seems to have a global awareness.
..fine, sounds plausible David.. but how does one explain the sister whom he never saw a picture of until 4 months after his experience of meeting her in his ''heaven''
 

False analogy
False analogy
BTW I am merely expressing my opinion just as everyone else is expressing theirs on this thread. If indeed that constitutes arm-wrestling to some, well, I guess that's their perception. Curiously, anything that contradicts anything else can be tagged as arm-wrestling. Especially when it might disagree with some very popular opinions. Many Russians consider Zelensky's objections arm-wrestling.
My arm-wrestling comment was not meant as an analogy. lt was meant as fact to somehow get to a point where we can agree in a gentle way that we weren't going to see eye to eye probably never so why continue in verbal argument. I never meant for it to sound or be mean. For that I'm honestly sorry.
 
In the beginning it seemed like a harmless thread on a special book. And as I already stated: "But I am far away from wanting to convince other people that reincarnation exists." But I don't like that other people try to convince me of their Christian beliefs.

I don't like missionaries. If harmless, such people did nothing as nonsense. For example telling the indigenous people that the position man on woman is the only proper one, thus the "missionary position". More often they were violent as in the case of the Spanish missionaries in Mexico and South America.

This is my red line.
 
This really shouldn't be a debate about what is "real" or not. No one knows. No one has ample evidence of what happens after we die. It is all anecdotal. So there is lies the interest. It is in the wide variety of what others imagine reincarnation "might" be like. It is fiction, and fiction is filled with our experiences and imagination. I would prefer to enjoy others own imagination of what it might be like. That is where the interest is. :)
 
This really shouldn't be a debate about what is "real" or not. No one knows. No one has ample evidence of what happens after we die. It is all anecdotal. So there is lies the interest. It is in the wide variety of what others imagine reincarnation "might" be like. It is fiction, and fiction is filled with our experiences and imagination. I would prefer to enjoy others own imagination of what it might be like. That is where the interest is. :)
Well, unfortunately, you are entirely missing the crucial point and employing a false premise. :)

You see, there are many things that are unknowable from a human standpoint which are regularly being hypothetically debated from both a moral, and scientific and perspective.

Major premise: Unknowable concepts should never be debated or contradicted.
Minor premise: This concept is unknowable
False conclusion: This concept should never be debated or contradicted.

In short, the reality or non-reality of any proposed idea, is considered totally irrelevant to its potential or inherent moral values.

Now, from a Biblical perspective, Satan, regularly uses fiction or lies, in order to malign the creator's personality. For example, he might cunningly portray the creator as capable of roasting people alive forever in order to portray him as being criminally insane. Should we remain silent as that glaring defamation is being disseminated because someone tells us that we can never know for sure? Would we remain silent if one of our parents were accused of horrendous immorality, based on that same suggestion that, well we can never know?

Or remain silent as the Devils might portrays God as a liar by describing humans are inherently deathless or immortal in order to reinforce the first lie that if humans sin they don't really die but become gods instead. Or say nothing as he attempts to prove that humans only serve God because of selfishness and would otherwise curse God to his face, as he did with Job.

You see, we are told that all such defamatory accusations against our Heavenly Father demand a response. A sanctification of God's reputation or name, as the Lord's Prayer mentions.

In short, to expect, or to demand silence from those who care about God's reputation in the face of such Satanic, character assassination is to demand a betrayal or a cooperation with Satan. So not knowing the certainty of any issue being proposed is totally irrelevant to the damage that such a proposition can inflict. In short, you are unintentionally demanding a silence that is biblically condemned as a sin.

Genesis 3:4-5

But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

2 Corinthians 2:11

So that we would not be outwitted by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his designs.

BTW

The clergy are supposed to teach such a Christian responsibility to their flocks but fail to do so and in that way encourage them to silently cooperate with such Satanic attacks. However, those who do understand the seriousness involved, and care about the responsibility of sanctifying God's name, will not. In short, it is a Christian responsibility to respond to the defamation of our heavenly father's personality as it is a Christian responsibility to speak about all the things we are commanded to tell others about.
 
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..fine, sounds plausible David.. but how does one explain the sister whom he never saw a picture of until 4 months after his experience of meeting her in his ''heaven''

I knew nothing about this story nor read the OP link but after web searching with "eben alexander fraud", immediately got to the heart of the skeptic's views, some of which are summarized in the below articles.

Why a Near-Death Experience Isn’t Proof of Heaven

I found it amusing that the great neurologist Oliver Sacks offered the same essential confabulation explanation I gave in my earlier post #40:

What heaven's really like - by a top brain surgeon

snippet:

...In an article in the Atlantic last December, Sacks explains that the reason hallucinations seem so real “is that they deploy the very same systems in the brain that actual perceptions do. When one hallucinates voices, the auditory pathways are activated; when one hallucinates a face, the fusiform face area, normally used to perceive and identify faces in the environment, is stimulated.” Sacks concludes that “the one most plausible hypothesis in Dr. Alexander's case, then, is that his NDE occurred not during his coma, but as he was surfacing from the coma and his cortex was returning to full function. It is curious that he does not allow this obvious and natural explanation, but instead insists on a supernatural one.”

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/2/20/eben-alexander-profile/

Apparently Alexander has a history of embellishing facts. He was also facing $3,000,000 malpractice lawsuit giving him plenty of incentive to do so if that meant money and media interest.
 
These episodes however real to the person are like a dream, a creation of the mind. Hence arguing for their veracity is like authenticating a dream (Is it real or not?). It matters not the least what the person's occupation is.
well I think it does matter. The man is a Brain surgeon, his coleagues and friends were his doctors when he slipped into a coma, they were able to tell him that there was no brain life.. at all
 
I knew nothing about this story nor read the OP link but after web searching with "eben alexander fraud", immediately got to the heart of the skeptic's views, some of which are summarized in the below articles.

Why a Near-Death Experience Isn’t Proof of Heaven

I found it amusing that the great neurologist Oliver Sacks offered the same essential confabulation explanation I gave in my earlier post #40:

What heaven's really like - by a top brain surgeon

snippet:

...In an article in the Atlantic last December, Sacks explains that the reason hallucinations seem so real “is that they deploy the very same systems in the brain that actual perceptions do. When one hallucinates voices, the auditory pathways are activated; when one hallucinates a face, the fusiform face area, normally used to perceive and identify faces in the environment, is stimulated.” Sacks concludes that “the one most plausible hypothesis in Dr. Alexander's case, then, is that his NDE occurred not during his coma, but as he was surfacing from the coma and his cortex was returning to full function. It is curious that he does not allow this obvious and natural explanation, but instead insists on a supernatural one.”

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/2/20/eben-alexander-profile/

Apparently Alexander has a history of embellishing facts. He was also facing $3,000,000 malpractice lawsuit giving him plenty of incentive to do so if that meant money and media interest.
so you didn't read the OP.. but you think you have an opinion based on someone's else story.... ?:oops:
 
People believe completely that Jesus rose from the dead. He was really dead for 3 days. Then he was seen bodily alive. The Bible says so. It all makes sense to some people. Nobody has ever come back from the dead that we know of, and have proof of. There is some recorded death in which a person does come back to life, but that is a very short period of time.

My take is that before he went into complete brain inactivity he experienced a rush of chemicals that burst into his mind and a "vision" was produced. A timeless type vision, not knowing when it occurred, but did while the brain was still active, either before or after the brain inactivity. Because it is a timeless vision, it sounds like it happened for a long time, but it could of all happened in a nano-second. Remember it is rumored that our whole life passes before us when we die., even if it just takes seconds. :)
 
Yet another Eminent professional..this time a Neuroscientist...is saying similar


Dr Christof Koch, a neuroscientist at the Allen Institute in Seattle, a leading brain research centre, knows a great deal about near-death experiences (NDEs) – where people report having mystical encounters after they were declared clinically dead, but then were successfully revived.

Dr Koch has spent 35 years studying consciousness: he is eminent in his field, the author of more than 350 scientific papers and many books.

But he knows NDEs intimately because, four years ago, he experienced one himself during a health emergency in the early days of Covid.

'It was utterly remarkable,' he recalls.

'I saw a singularity of overwhelming brightness and felt terror and ecstasy.

'Nothing else – no body, no Christof, no self, no identity whatsoever. But also no world and no passage of time. Nothing except for the icy light,' he said recently.

Dr Christof Koch, 67, a neuroscientist at the Allen Institute in Seattle, has spent 35 years studying consciousness and is an expert on near-death experiences
'Nothing was left but a non-self… it [this 'non-self' he'd become] didn't want anything, expect anything, think anything, remember anything, dread anything. But it [the non-self] experiences... It saw a cold, white light of unbearable intensity, unable to conceive of looking away, as there was no 'away from'.'

There was 'no smell, no pleasure, no pain', just 'a timeless universe convulsed to a blazing, icy light'.

Dr Koch, 67, says this experience has marked him for life – not least because he says he no longer has any fear of death (which is 'not uncommon in people who have undergone an NDE'). It has also made him a unique figure in an emerging new era of research into dying and death.
Death remains one of life's greatest mysteries. But new scientific investigations into the bizarre medical phenomena that can arise when we approach death, and even afterwards, may start to unravel it (or make it even more mysterious, as we shall see).

This could help researchers develop new ways to cure debilitating illnesses such as cardiovascular disease and cystic fibrosis – and improve vastly resuscitation techniques and the care of the dying – within just five to ten years, according to some experts.

The latest discovery in this field of death-science reveals something that sounds quite spooky, but which may soon offer revolutionary lifesaving cures: our own human cells can grow into microscopic new creatures after we die.

It's not quite the after-life as we might have imagined it, but nonetheless it is a discovery with extraordinary implications.

Scientists are also focusing on an astonishing phenomenon called 'terminal lucidity' – where terminally ill patients who have long been unconscious suddenly rally into life and communicate happily with staff and visitors, shortly before dying.

And then there is the better known, but just as mysterious, near-death experience.

Such phenomena have traditionally been dismissed by doctors and scientists as just unaccountably weird, or simply invented or imagined. Now leading experts are starting to take them very seriously.

All these strange phenomena raise the question whether the apparently solid boundaries between life and death are far more porous than modern science currently holds.
Why scientists think a 'third state' beyond life and death
 
No one can be sure that when we die, that is all she wrote. There is so much information that people have shared about there death experiences that are real experience. It is kind of exciting no knowing what will happen. Kinda like looking forward to going on a trip to another world. :)
 
No one can be sure that when we die, that is all she wrote. There is so much information that people have shared about there death experiences that are real experience. It is kind of exciting no knowing what will happen. Kinda like looking forward to going on a trip to another world. :)
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