Obesity 101

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Obesity understood
The medical system wants to make this so complicated that you don’t try and figure it out to make money on it by calling it a disease.
Overweight made easy to understand.
If your body needs to get oxygen and get rid of carbon dioxide to will be forced to breathe. You can prevent this by holding your breath but in time you will fail. Even if you are under water and know if you breathe it will cause your death but your body will force you to still breathe.

If your body was running low on water it would cause you to drink even if what you were going to drink was unhealthy. This can be seen by alkaline [poison] water holes where you see dead animals or sailor who drink salt water trying to survive and they know but can’t resist drinking.
If your body needs rest it will cause you to go to sleep. This will happen even when you don’t want to like a driver falling asleep behind the wheel of a car. You can fight it or take drugs but n time you will lose. If you try and stop any of these things the end result is death. Your body will do anything to get what it needs

These are easily accepted and understood but when it comes to overweight people think it is different, because that what they have been told by people who don’t know.
When your body gets mineral deficient the body will force you to get them usually by eating and you will be driven by hunger until the body gets what it needs. This is known by the people selling foods like Lays potato chips saying I bet you can’t just eat one.

In the veterinarian medicine they know when a cow, horse or other animals starts eating none food things they give them a salt block [mineral block] and the problem goes away. A pregnant woman finds herself having cravings because the child inside is using up all the minerals so the body has to replace them. There is a disease called pica doctor say it is rare but I say no. Pica see people eating none foods like light bulbs or the stuff in the kitty litter or licking paint off the walls. If there were eating potato chips or French fries, ect. They would not call it pica but it really is.

If your body needs air you will be forced to breathe even when you do not want to.
If you need water you will be forced to drink even when you don’t want to.

If your body need nourishment especially minerals you will be forced to eat even when you don’t want to
Linus Pauling two times Nobel Prize winner said you could trace every disease and every ailment to a mineral deficiency.
 

There are some people with a medical condition....thyroid problems, etc.,...who put on excess weight. However, the vast majority of Fastso's get that way via poor eating habits, and lack of exercise. When a person consumes more calories than they "burn", those calories begin to be stored in the body as Fat.

Obesity is now the nations Number 1 reason for health issues...having passed things like smoking and alcoholism. It is no wonder that health care costs continue to spiral upwards....if people refuse to take some responsibility for their own health, we can only expect these costs to continue rising at a pace that far outstrips normal inflation.
 
"Fatso?" The last acceptable prejudice is alive and well. Whether people are comfortable with the concept or not, different rates of metabolism exist. In my family, my mother and sister could eat anything without gaining an ounce. My father and I could not. Even with a proper diet and consistent exercise, I must monitor my weight very carefully. I probably eat half as much as a person with a high metabolic rate. My naturopath says it is a positive trait in the third world, where I would survive on limited food. Here, it is a liability. I am very healthy, require no meds, but will never be able to eat a great deal. For the record, I am not an undisciplined person, I take responsibility for my life and the choices I make. However, I resent the negative stereotyping that exists around people who are not naturally thin. If you are unable to be part of the solution, please do not be part of the problem. My friends are amazed at how little food this body requires.
 

Shal, I take a different view. Free speech is vital to freedom. Freedom in general has been in decline. That I deeply resent. Thus, any focus on any issue, which tends to stifle freedom, including free speech, raises my "hackles".

So, use of descriptive, colorful, offensive, intrusive, or otherwise "problem-causing" wording, I simply gloss over. You would feel better, overall, if you could get yourself to view this in a similar fashion. IOW, let 'em say anything they like! Words should not be allowed to "hurt". imp
 
Don M. said:
...the vast majority of Fastso's get that way via poor eating habits, and lack of exercise.
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"Fasto's"? And what do you call people who are adults and can't spell?…just kidding, I don't care about misspelling (blame it on spellcheck)

So Don, what do you call adults who point fingers and are ignorant about political correctness, social graces, and tolerance? Sorry, had to get that out. I feel 5 pounds lighter now without calorie counting :)

imp, freedom of speech is one thing but name-calling and bullying is unacceptable of course. Sure, it's not against the law, but that doesn't make it virtuous. It's okay to say that people who are overweight tend to have more medical issues and are increasing healthcare costs. That's just stating a fact without name-calling...but then everyone knows that fact already as well as calorie counting advise (not news).
 
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Imp, I respectfully disagree. I am a Canadian, raised in a different culture, with alternate views around free speech. Whereas you see it as an inalienable right, I view it as a responsibility. Do not presume to patronise me by telling me how I should feel, that interferes with my rights. As a therapissed, I am well aware of the negative power of words. IHMO, it is irresponsible and arrogant to refuse to consider the feelings of others when we speak. We are adults, not children in the playground. Everything we do and say has a consequence, that is what being an adult is all about.
 
Imp, and Don --- I'm going to have to agree with Shalimar -- what you consider free speech seems to me like a license to be verbally abusive and shaming. We have free speech here too, but we also have what you don't seem to have, which is political correctness, which avoids a lot of conflict. Why am I not surprised that the proponents of so-called 'free speech' seem to have so much retaliatory hatred and violence directed towards them. There's always a price to pay for someone thinking they have the 'right' to be a jerk.
 
Don M. said:
There are some people with a medical condition....thyroid problems, etc.,...who put on excess weight. However, the vast majority of Fastso's get that way via poor eating habits, and lack of exercise. When a person consumes more calories than they "burn", those calories begin to be stored in the body as Fat.

Obesity is now the nations Number 1 reason for health issues...having passed things like smoking and alcoholism. It is no wonder that health care costs continue to spiral upwards....if people refuse to take some responsibility for their own health, we can only expect these costs to continue rising at a pace that far outstrips normal inflation.
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Obesity is now the Number 1 reason for health issues. The obesity and the health issues are cause by the same problem. What is causing the obesity is the same thing that is causing the health issues. Mineral deficiency.
 
Don M. said:
There are some people with a medical condition....thyroid problems, etc.,...who put on excess weight. However, the vast majority of Fastso's get that way via poor eating habits, and lack of exercise. When a person consumes more calories than they "burn", those calories begin to be stored in the body as Fat.

Obesity is now the nations Number 1 reason for health issues...having passed things like smoking and alcoholism. It is no wonder that health care costs continue to spiral upwards....if people refuse to take some responsibility for their own health, we can only expect these costs to continue rising at a pace that far outstrips normal inflation.
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Type in a search for thyroid and mineral deficiencies and you will find why people have the thyroid problem it is the same problem as te obesity.
 
Shalimar said:
"Fatso?" The last acceptable prejudice is alive and well. Whether people are comfortable with the concept or not, different rates of metabolism exist. In my family, my mother and sister could eat anything without gaining an ounce. My father and I could not. Even with a proper diet and consistent exercise, I must monitor my weight very carefully. I probably eat half as much as a person with a high metabolic rate. My naturopath says it is a positive trait in the third world, where I would survive on limited food. Here, it is a liability. I am very healthy, require no meds, but will never be able to eat a great deal. For the record, I am not an undisciplined person, I take responsibility for my life and the choices I make. However, I resent the negative stereotyping that exists around people who are not naturally thin. If you are unable to be part of the solution, please do not be part of the problem. My friends are amazed at how little food this body requires.
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I'm sure that my words "offend" some people...but I'm getting a bit tired of all this "politically correct" nonsense. Some people don't get the hint, until reality hits them in the face. I'm not talking about elders who put on an extra 10 or 20 pounds as they age...that is almost a given for most people. However, when I see men pushing 300 lbs, and women flirting with 200, and they have to bend way over to see their shoes, over their fat bellies, I get "offended" because I know these people are costing me money in the form of higher medical/insurance bills. When I am pushing the cart at the grocery store for the wife, I cannot help but notice the number of people whose carts are loaded with beer, diet soda and snacks. In most cases, these same people closely resemble a beached walrus as they waddle around. If a person's waistline is over half their height, they need to think seriously about some lifestyle changes. I, too, tend to put on weight if I do nothing but sit in front of the TV, or computer, and munch on snacks. Fortunately, I was smart enough to retire to an environment where I Have to do some serious work every day the weather permits, and I stay between 155 and 160...which is ideal for my height.

I know several seniors who are substantially overweight...and they All share one thing in common...their calendar is filled with doctor appointments.
 
So, Don, when I was debate captain at university, one of the things that was impressed upon us as a sure fire way to illustrate the weakness in our position was.....resorting to abusive personal remarks. Beached walrus is every bit as abusive a term as retarded, stupid, cracker, Spic, squaw, and a few others I won't mention. How fortunate for you to be in a financial position to be able to afford nutritious food. Cheap food tends to be high in carbs. Not everyone has a choice. Smart does not always equal financial well being.
 
There is NO "Weakness of position" in criticizing Obesity. Just do some research on the CDC website...for example...and see for yourself just how much "FAT" is costing this nation, in terms of healthcare, and its associated expenses.

Smart does Not always equal financial well being....Just as attending a university does not always equate to intelligence.
 
Don, I can see you are very upset about overweight people. And of course, its all about money - not about the well being of anyone -- only about money you feel is coming out of your pocket. Do you really think you have any control about it. Rant, judge and criticize all you like, you have no say in the matter.
 
Shalimar said:
Wow, Don, I rest my case. Lol. You have a nice day, this therapissed needs a cookie.
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A cookie, as in stored data within Temporary Internet Files, or a cookie cookie, loaded with carbohydrates and sugar?

Well, I tried defusing what I saw becoming a pissing match over colorfully-descriptive adjectives, by going the free speech route. That kinda backfired. So, I'll state my own position differently: nothing said by an adult to another adult is likely to be "offensive" to me. Why? Nothing at all is gained, IMO, by kow-towing to what is perceived by others as "offensive", so long as it is not directed at any one individual. Does that make any sense to you, Shal? If I call YOU a derogatory name, that's one thing, but if I derog a group of folks numbering 40% of the American population, it should not affect you at all. Obviously, it DOES affect you, see, but only because YOU perceive that OTHERS should say only what YOU feel is becoming.

Look at me, blathering on, and it's Don who secured the tirade! imp
 
Again, Imp, you are attempting to dictate to this Canadian what her reality should be? I reserve the right to do that for myself. I fail to understand why that should anger you, since you believe words have no power over you without your permission.. I find group abuse every bit as offensive as personal abuse. If you find that position offensive, that is unfortunate. This thread, IMHO, is disintegrating into childish posturing, I am done. C'est tout, c'est fini, mon vieux! Allez-y!
 
{"Nothing said by an adult to another adult is likely to be "offensive" to me. Why? Nothing at all is gained, IMO, by kow-towing to what is perceived by others as "offensive", so long as it is not directed at any one individual"}

It sounds to me as if you might be carrying around some unresolved anger, imp, it must be slow and heavy going through life with an attitude like that. Do you really believe that you have something to gain by being offensive and nothing to gain by not being so. What a sad and lonely path yours must be.

The mistake you are making is that when you insult a group, you insult individuals, as groups are comprised of individual members. Can you try to understand that?
 
Hold on, Cook. My stance is that hardly anything truly unimportant said against me fazes me, and that means to you, I carry pent-up anger? This seems illogical. imp
 
Cookie said:
Don, I can see you are very upset about overweight people. And of course, its all about money - not about the well being of anyone -- only about money you feel is coming out of your pocket. Do you really think you have any control about it. Rant, judge and criticize all you like, you have no say in the matter.
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In some respects, Yes, it is about the money....the extra money I, and everyone has to pay out for medical care and insurance to cover the costs created by those who Won't try to take care of their health. There is a large percentage of this nations health care costs and efforts that are expended upon people who are their own worst enemies.

If I were "King" I would hit some of these people where it counts...in their wallet. Smokers already pay an extra premium for their health insurance....and if I had any say, I would put a hefty added fee on insurance premiums for people who allow themselves to become Obese via their bad habits. If they refuse to take steps to reduce their excess weight, and think that everyone else should be responsible for treating the symptoms of their bad habits, I would offer them a bottle of generic aspirin, and wish them the best of luck.
 
I think your shifting blame in the wrong direction - if you must blame and shame, don't blame the overweight people, blame the junk food industry. Big Tobacco has been sued, now perhaps its time to sue the Big Junk Food Industry -- Burger King, MacDonalds, and all the other garbage companies that are responsible for plying hungry kids and their families with what they are passing off as food. Maybe like cigarette packages, junk food should carry warning labels.

Sugar, fat and carbs are just as addictive as nicotine and alcohol. Instead of shaming the users, shame the distributors, who, like yourselves, have only one priority -- money.
 
Cookie said:
I think your shifting blame in the wrong direction - if you must blame and shame, don't blame the overweight people, blame the junk food industry. Big Tobacco has been sued, now perhaps its time to sue the Big Junk Food Industry -- Burger King, MacDonalds, and all the other garbage companies that are responsible for plying hungry kids and their families with what they are passing off as food. Maybe like cigarette packages, junk food should carry warning labels.

Sugar, fat and carbs are just as addictive as nicotine and alcohol. Instead of shaming the users, shame the distributors, who, like yourselves, have only one priority -- money.
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Fast food is certainly a part of the problem. However, No one is forcing people to eat at McDonalds, etc. Besides, the cost of eating at one of those places would buy a pretty good meal at the grocery store. We stop at a McDonalds for a cup of their excellent coffee when we go to the city to visit the kids and casinos, and we sometimes get a McChicken or small order of Nuggets if we want a snack. However, that is perhaps once a month. I cannot understand any rationale for eating at one of these places regularly. Besides, most of the junk food comes from the grocery stores...the aisles are lined with rows of snacks, and calorie laden junk that is of minimal nutritional value. Nope...IMO....unless a person has a medical condition that has their metabolism all messed up, Lack of Willpower, and poor lifestyle habits are the primary causes for being grossly overweight.
 
"Sugar, fat and carbs are just as addictive as nicotine and alcohol"



Do you really mean this?? Look at what you've said: A great part of the human diet consists of those three food groups, right? So, FOOD is in and of itself, Addictive, just like drugs? imp
 

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