Is the desire to view the naked body wrong

Prostitution was made illegal in almost all states between 1910 and 1915 largely due to the influence of the Woman's Christian Temperance Union…give an inch, take a mile.
 
Nathan said:
Recall from all the other threads you've done that Christianity is man-made, Jesus did not say one single thing against nudity Manmade organizations always seek to control the followers.
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There are a few passages about nudity. In some of the passages, being nude is considered sinful, but in other passages, being nude is acceptable. Some of the passages where nudity is acceptable is when a Christian who views a naked body while providing life saving treatments is not sinning. These passages are found in the Old Testament, which I am not a true student of and it would be difficult for me to find. I remember seeing them, or reading them, or being taught to the readings at one time.

When Adam and Eve were created, they were naked, but after they sinned, they covered themselves with a leaf. Later, God had removed the leaf and covered them with pelts. By placing the pelts on them, it was God's way of telling us that we should be clothed.

Please don't quote me on this. A lot of years have passed since I remember hearing this story. I'm not even sure where I heard it. Maybe at home or at church. I remember asking my mom once why do we wear clothes or how we started wearing clothes.

I don't know or can't remember how this ever came up, but I do remember years ago when Jimmy Carter said he had sinned at least once when he looked at a woman and felt lust towards her, which is a sin. I believe it came up when he did an interview for "Playboy Magazine." That passage can be found in Matthew 5:28.
 
I remember a line from an announcer on an American TV show a while ago. She was talking about nude beaches or something like that. She said, roughly, the good news is that you get to see them naked. The bad news is that they get to see you naked.

Given me and Adonis have nothing in common, I can quite understand..
 
Not a black and white question as broadly posed. The kind of unfocused question my college Logic professor would immediately embarrass the questioner.

So sure it MIGHT be wrong if say it is your married neighbor's wife or young daughter. (adulterous attitude, pedophile)

But at a community swimming pool or down at the sea shore beach, not wrong as such is a natural human reaction those in public will tend to suppress their inner feelings a bit over acting socially acceptably.

There is also in this recent decades era, endless amounts of product marketing and media pushing titillating female bodies too openly in the public for the sake of $$$ that has a net negative effect on society.
 
dilettante said:
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A new monk arrived at the monastery. He was assigned to help the other monks in copying the old texts by hand. He noticed, however, that they were copying copies, not the original books. The new monk went to Father Abbott to ask him about this. He pointed out that if there were an error in the first copy, that error would be continued in all of the other copies.

Father Abbott replied, ‘We have been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son.’ Father Abbott then went down into the cellar with one of the copies to check it against the original.

Hours later, nobody had seen him, so one of the monks went downstairs to look for him. He heard a sobbing coming from the back of the cellar and found the old Abbott leaning over one of the original books, crying. "What's wrong Father?" He was asked. Father Abbott replied: ‘The word is ‘celebrate,’ not ‘celibate!’
 
tonyr said:
All desires have consequences. With no desires all things are as they are.
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I have a Buddhist background so I am familiar with the extinguishing of desire to be the ultimate state of mind that the Buddha had. I have times been in that state of mind, and could live my life with no desires. After years of doing this I made a conscious decisions to include my desires with my normal life. It does complicate matters. But as they say, "I would rather taste sugar, than be sugar." :)
 
tonyr said:
The naked body is not wrong. We all have one. It's the "desire" that makes it wrong.
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I disagree
Olivia said:
l'm thinking more and more that you think more frequently about Christianity than professed Christians do. That's not a criticism, just an observation that you might be thinking of it like a wad of gum stuck on the bottom of your shoe.
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I agree, getting burned by lousy parents did a number on me that I cannot let go of. They are dead but I'm still rebelling by criticizing them and what they believed in.
It's like revenge in a way, for the pain and deception I was fooled by.
 
Paco Dennis said:
I have a Buddhist background so I am familiar with the extinguishing of desire to be the ultimate state of mind that the Buddha had. I have times been in that state of mind, and could live my life with no desires. After years of doing this I made a conscious decisions to include my desires with my normal life. It does complicate matters. But as they say, "I would rather taste sugar, than be sugar." :)
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I accept my interests and desires as part of me. I am not ashamed of who I am, instead I embrace every part of me as the whole person I respect and love.
 
Mr. Ed said:
I disagree

I agree, getting burned by lousy parents did a number on me that I cannot let go of. They are dead but I'm still rebelling by criticizing them and what they believed in.
It's like revenge in a way, for the pain and deception I was fooled by.
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It's revenge on YOURSELF. You wallow in it, like I wallow in AccessARide. We're both getting something out of it.
 
Pepper said:
It's revenge on YOURSELF. You wallow in it, like I wallow in AccessARide. We're both getting something out of it.
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If I was not getting something out of it I wouldn't be doing it. It's my agenda to discredit religion because it is deceptive and wrong on so many levels. True I get something out of it perhaps in the opposite way religious people get from attending and believing in christianity. My feelings toward christianity are directly related to my father and my efforts to prove him wrong. So far, I am ahead by 10 points.
 
Mr. Ed said:
I disagree

I agree, getting burned by lousy parents did a number on me that I cannot let go of. They are dead but I'm still rebelling by criticizing them and what they believed in.
It's like revenge in a way, for the pain and deception I was fooled by.
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That is kind of a silly way to get revenge on dead parents. When all kinds of life is happening all around, and then only dwelling on how bad your parents raised you, and how it annoys and cripples you, becomes a compulsion that you have gotten use to. That feeling of anger and injustice is strong and it is dominating your mind and body. Learn to drop it, quit it, do something else.
 
Yep I agree, but now it is in the form of religion. My dad was a preacher he took on the form of religion and christianity as I knew it to be. My rebellion is not god, instead it is Christianity and the Bible because of its inconsistencies and unquestioning belief by faith. However, I believe in god by faith. Crazy, huh?
 
This is what happened near my 16th birthday. My dad. walked in on me unannounced and flipped out when he saw me looking at nude women in an adult magazine. I disappointed him and he made me feel like trash. I lost face with him and he never made an attempt to reconnect with me. Regardless he chose to stay away from the family what we assumed church work when in reality he stayed away from home because my mom made him feel like a child, his words. Not only was he a narcissistic coward he was loved throughout the community. Meanwhile his public life was more important than his family so I suffered the loss.

After his funeral, I was helping my mother sort through his belongings. I found an old worn leather suitcase under his bed that contained hardcore pornography. I later learned condoned his weakness as part of being a man but he and best friend got off on this stuff together.

I think women are beautiful but I don't like pornography. Sex is personal and private and should not be on public display.
I suffered from childhood trauma because of my father, I believe as a young person he was chastised for the same reason as me and transferred his guilt on to me. It has taken me years to overcome this traumatic event to the point of no longer being haunted by his disappointment in me.

Because of my father, a so-called man of god I regret being born, forced to live my life until I die. I never wanted to be here in the first place.

Explaining what happened brought back memories I try to suppress because thinking too much leads to depression.
 
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I'm speechless that this insignificant act has ruined your whole life. Not judging you. Can't. It's just that..........we have people on this board who have been brutalized, physically and emotionally, by those who were supposed to protect them.

I've been whining over a different reason my whole life. I was wrong to do so. Too late now.....young minds are so open to self flagellation.
 
Mr. Ed said:
This is what happened near my 16th birthday. My dad. walked in on me unannounced and flipped out when he saw me looking at nude women in an adult magazine. I disappointed him and he made me feel like trash. I lost face with him and he never made an attempt to reconnect with me. Regardless he chose to stay away from the family what we assumed church work when in reality he stayed away from home because my mom made him feel like a child, his words. Not only was he a narcissistic coward he was loved throughout the community. Meanwhile his public life was more important than his family so I suffered the loss.

After his funeral, I was helping my mother sort through his belongings. I found an old worn leather suitcase under his bed that contained hardcore pornography. I later learned condoned his weakness as part of being a man but he and best friend got off on this stuff together.

I think women are beautiful but I don't like pornography. Sex is personal and private and should not be on public display.
I suffered from childhood trauma because of my father, I believe as a young person he was chastised for the same reason as me and transferred his guilt on to me. It has taken me years to overcome this traumatic event to the point of no longer being haunted by his disappointment in me.

Because of my father, a so-called man of god I regret being born, forced to live my life until I die. I never wanted to be here in the first place.

Explaining what happened brought back memories I try to suppress because thinking too much leads to depression.
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Pepper said:
I'm speechless that this insignificant act has ruined your whole life. Not judging you. Can't. It's just that..........we have people on this board who have been brutalized, physically and emotionally, by those who were supposed to protect them.

I've been whining over a different reason my whole life. I was wrong to do so. Too late now.....young minds are so open to self flagellation.
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It would have become less significant until he found the suitcase, I would guess @Mr. Ed ?
Pervs can also be hypocrites.
 
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My Dad also "caught" me while enjoying pornography. It was totally embarrassing. I think this happened to most of us. Lucky I had a friend from Sweden during my adolescence. He didn't have any hang ups about nudity. His parents walked around nude at home. I figured it was some religious type purity thing. Also girls were becoming much more liberated in 1967. They were open to experimenting beyond being "proper". :)
 
At the time my dad was the greatest person to me in the whole wide world. later I realized he deliberately ignored his family based on his cowardice and lack of concern. I turned this inward and blamed myself for his insignificance. It hurt me that he didn’t care about anyone except himself. How could someone be so shallow and selfish? People like him should not have children
 
Mr. Ed said:
I am attracted to women, all shapes, sizes nationalities and ethnic backgrounds, I appreciate older women, near my age over young women in their 20’s but women 30 and older have my attention. I am happily married but that does mean I cannot appreciate the human body. I do not agree with pornography but I do appreciate an occasional view of nudity in movies and films if tastefully done. I don’t like sexual or gross acts of violence, however, most R rated movies are exceptable. Nor do I like heavy petting or people having sex, I believe making love is personal and should not exploited in movies or films.

Variations in shapes and sizes captures a singular scope of individual beauty in every woman. There is nothing more beautiful to me than a woman.
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For a number of years I worked as the manager and barmaid in a exotic dancing bar (aka topless bar) so I believe it is not wrong to want to view the opposite sex. The bar was standing room only on the week-ends so many people have that same belief.
 
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