How do you feel about warrant less ability to track your every move

IMHO, they are not monitoring your every move. Almost everything is of no concern. But isn't it useful to track down the bad guys... if your granddaughter is abducted, if your niece goes missing, if your neighbor is murdered, etc??
We have seen time and time again where cameras have helped to solve crimes.

Personally I don't care if "they" know I went to the bank and to Costco today. "They" don't care about that either.
 
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Mice cowering in their nests afraid of their shadows, watching highly fictionalized crime shows to raise a pulse enough to feel alive. That's who backs stripping freedoms from others.

We have seen how totalitarianism took root before.
 

It doesn’t bother me.

With any of these systems, they are only as good as the integrity of the people that control them.

When I shop my credit card and the various store discount tags track my movements and my purchases, traffic cameras/license plate readers and the sensors in my tires allow law enforcement to track my movements, Ring doorbell cameras watch me as I walk down the street, my iPhone knows where I am at all times, the people at the airport know the condition of my underwear and what toothpaste I use…

We’ll never put the privacy genie back in the bottle.
 
Aunt Bea said:
It doesn’t bother me.

With any of these systems, they are only as good as the integrity of the people that control them.

When I shop my credit card and the various store discount tags track my movements and my purchases, traffic cameras/license plate readers and the sensors in my tires allow law enforcement to track my movements, Ring doorbell cameras watch me as I walk down the street, my iPhone knows where I am at all times, the people at the airport know the condition of my underwear and what toothpaste I use…

We’ll never put the privacy genie back in the bottle.
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According to the article, these cameras are not your run-of-the-mill traffic and street cams. Those are adequate, imo, and they don't bother me. The ones in the article are an unnecessary step too far.
 
That Lady in PA said:
IMHO, they are not monitoring your every move. Almost everything is of no concern. But isn't it useful to track down the bad guys... if your granddaughter is abducted, if your niece goes missing, if your neighbor is murdered, etc??
We have seen time and time again where cameras have helped to solve crimes.

Personally I don't care if "they" know I went to the bank and to Costco today. "They" don't care about that either.
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"Unlike traditional traffic cameras—which capture an image only when they sense speeding or someone running a red light—Flock's cameras capture images of every car driving by, which it retains for at least 30 days. Artificial intelligence then uses those images to create a 'Vehicle Fingerprint' that enables any Flock subscriber to both track where that vehicle has gone and identify what other vehicles it has been seen nearby,"

Making the violation worse, the institute noted, is that since Flock "pools its data in a centralized database, police across the entire country can access over 1 billion monthly datapoints. That means not just tracking drivers within a particular jurisdiction, but potentially across the entire nation."

The scheme gives police the ability to spy on people without any judicial oversight, either.


And abuse already has been documented
 
squatting dog said:
I guess I should clarify. This is for US citizens only as I have no knowledge of other countries.
Myself, I'm a bit concerned about the potential for abuse.


'Incredibly intimate details': U.S. city accused of using 170 cameras for warrantless surveillance of population * WorldNetDaily * by Bob Unruh
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I don't like it. I've said so before. Improvements designed to take away my freedoms and anonymity while under the guise of my protection or for my safety makes me cringe. If more people minded as much as you and I do they couldn't pull this stuff off. It worries me as much that nobody cares that their freedoms are being stripped away never to be replaced. It's a lousy trade off.:unsure:
 
I don't think it is anything new is it? This is a video from 14 years ago with the police tracking someone by using traffic cameras. Also I think I've seen a bunch of YouTube videos over the years showing highway pile ups in snow storms.



I don't mind the road surveillance but I support strong legal protections against illegal use of data.
 
dilettante said:
Mice cowering in their nests afraid of their shadows, watching highly fictionalized crime shows to raise a pulse enough to feel alive. That's who backs stripping freedoms from others.

So agree with you.
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dilettante said:
We have seen how totalitarianism took root before,
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Yes, we have. Three of my mother's uncles were arrested trying to catch a ship from France to the U.S. They were captured and sent to concentration camps where they died.

It's important to keep vigilance, but also important not to spend one's life fighting shadows.
 
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Well, at first I was curious, after awhile I got nosy, then after a lot more years I got benign. Now I know who it is and why there is an on going interest. I mind my own beeswax and let it be.

As far as the level of interest there is out there for the general populace: you ain't seen nuttin yet.
 
dilettante said:
That's how it works. One step at a time, and the suckers are willing to sit there like slowly boiling frogs - taking the rest of us with them.
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Except there's a lawsuit:

"A lawsuit has been filed that accuses Norfolk, Virginia, officials of using a network of 170 cameras to impose a warrantless surveillance scheme on residents, and visitors.

The Institute for Justice case charges that the actions violate the Fourth Amendment rights protected by the U.S. Constitution."
 
Much has been written about surveillance cameras . Interesting reading about where these cameras send the images &r how long the images are kept. Article doesn't say how many monitors, how many people to watch the monitors only that AI compiles info.

I doubt my daily outings warrant monitoring so no I don't mind the use of surveillance for monitoring traffic flow or aiding in apprehension of criminals.
 
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Knight said:
Much has been written about surveillance cameras . Interesting reading about where these cameras send the images &r how long the images are kept. Article doesn't say how many monitors, how many people to watch the monitors only that AI compiles info.

I doubt my daily outings warrant monitoring so no I don't mind the use of surveillance for monitoring traffic flow or aiding in apprehension of criminals.
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In most cases, they're just storing the data. Nobody's "monitoring" the cameras. They're not sitting in rooms staring at computer screens saying "keep an eye on that guy. He looks suspicious." It's more after the fact that people look at the videos — such as after the Boston Marathon attack, or after a shooting. Or in recent news, the election ballot boxes where somebody put incendiary devices in the slots of three boxes and destroyed hundreds of ballots. The FBI wasn't sitting there monitoring the boxes but only looked at the videos after the fact. You can bet they know who did it by now. They're just not divulging that information to the public yet.
 

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