How do you feel about warrant less ability to track your every move

What’s the crime rate or number of convictions now in Norfolk, VA. Has the monitoring helped?
 

OP >>>>..."ability to track your every move"

An common exaggerated type of statement with an agenda to scare people in order to block implementations. Companies like Flock have a huge interest now in making sure those public governments using their systems have enough public oversight so data abuse is unlikely. Maybe not so much a decade ago, but now such products and their software are relatively mature, improved enough to blunt such criticism.

That noted, it will still be possible to abuse the data in local cities say if videos are secretly duplicated elsewhere. Anything viewable on a monitor can be copied. Thus for each local implementation, oversight supervision is necessary.

Here in the SFBA I've for several years advocated using CCTV cameras on web boards and particularly Nextdoor. Libertarians, ACLU, and those with reasons to hide (like criminals), were successful for a few years keeping such cameras out of police hands by scaring cities with legal suits.

But given the rise of crime the last couple decades after proposition 47 restrictions, especially those driving in with stolen vehicles and plates from areas like Oakland, angry citizens in more affluent areas have had enough, so even San Francisco now has ALPR cameras. Police in my suburb are catching thieving criminal gangs now left and right.
 
squatting dog said:
I guess I should clarify. This is for US citizens only as I have no knowledge of other countries.
Myself, I'm a bit concerned about the potential for abuse.


'Incredibly intimate details': U.S. city accused of using 170 cameras for warrantless surveillance of population * WorldNetDaily * by Bob Unruh
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People willingly share intimate information about themselves on Social Media every single day. Are the authorities supposed to pretend it's not happening? If you use the internet, Alexa, or a Smartphone (cell phone) you are accepting you can be tracked, not only in terms of location, but thought.
 
VaughanJB said:
People willingly share intimate information about themselves on Social Media every single day. Are the authorities supposed to pretend it's not happening? If you use the internet, Alexa, or a Smartphone (cell phone) you are accepting you can be tracked, not only in terms of location, but thought.
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And that's the difference "willingly." One can willingly give up their right to privacy or it can be taken by unconstitutional methods.
 
VaughanJB said:
People willingly share intimate information about themselves on Social Media every single day. Are the authorities supposed to pretend it's not happening? If you use the internet, Alexa, or a Smartphone (cell phone) you are accepting you can be tracked, not only in terms of location, but thought.
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I don't use them and don't intend to.
 
againstthegrain said:
And that's the difference "willingly." One can willingly give up their right to privacy or it can be taken by unconstitutional methods.
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I don't believe they "willingly" appreciate the gravity of what they're doing. I think they share because they want to let people know what they're doing, but they never consider the consequences.
 
Olivia said:
I don't use them and don't intend to.
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The only way to not share this information with the rest of the internet, is to not share at all. By using these social media sites, you are accepting that your information is broadcast world wide. Let's be honest, how many Terms of Service have you read?
 
Olivia said:
I don't use them and don't intend to.
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I see you don't use them - neither do I. The idea that people need to know what I ate today, what I thought of a news story, or where I went, is narcissistic in the extreme. But I think a lot of people can't understand how we ever kept in touch back in the day. :D
 
Aunt Bea said:
It doesn’t bother me.

With any of these systems, they are only as good as the integrity of the people that control them.

When I shop my credit card and the various store discount tags track my movements and my purchases, traffic cameras/license plate readers and the sensors in my tires allow law enforcement to track my movements, Ring doorbell cameras watch me as I walk down the street, my iPhone knows where I am at all times, the people at the airport know the condition of my underwear and what toothpaste I use…

We’ll never put the privacy genie back in the bottle.
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You're right. It's too late for that.

But I draw the line at my car. I'm not interested in insurance companies that offer discounts if they can track your location, speed, etc. I don't want GPS in my car. I want them to leave me the hell alone. And when I'm not using it, my phone is turned off -- I use it very sparingly and I don't grant permissions. You can count the number of apps I use on my phone with one hand.
 
VaughanJB said:
I don't believe they "willingly" appreciate the gravity of what they're doing. I think they share because they want to let people know what they're doing, but they never consider the consequences.
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Stupid is everywhere, no reason to take advantage of everyone for that. Besides it can be used in manner that is unconstitutional by those sworn to UPHOLD the constitution, of which there are many examples of.
 
VaughanJB said:
I see you don't use them - neither do I. The idea that people need to know what I ate today, what I thought of a news story, or where I went, is narcissistic in the extreme. But I think a lot of people can't understand how we ever kept in touch back in the day. :D
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I communicate mostly with friends by telephone. We know each other very well and l love long conversations.
 
againstthegrain said:
Stupid is everywhere, no reason to take advantage of everyone for that. Besides it can be used in manner that is unconstitutional by those sworn to UPHOLD the constitution, of which there are many examples of.
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I think the constitutional element is minor in this regard. Corporations are at the forefront of this, not government.

I recently helped someone move information from an old computer to a new one. I was able to tell them every single password they had, for every site they used. Nothing magical. Nothing special. No expertise needed. Yet they were surprised. Ignorance is everywhere.

Let's take Alexa as an example. Alexa stores:

Voice recordings: Alexa only records voice recordings when activated by a wake word, such as "Alexa" or "Amazon". However, Alexa may accidentally activate.

  • Device information: This includes the device's serial number, software version, and username and password.

  • User activity: This includes the commands given to Alexa.


  • Skills: This includes third-party apps added to the device.


  • Cards: This includes recipe steps.
Amazon also collects other information about users, such as:
  • Name and address
  • Searches
  • Orders
  • Content watched on Prime
  • Contacts and email communications
  • Purchase dates, payment, and delivery information
  • Reading habits, including what you read, how fast you read, what you've highlighted, and book genres
    And that's just out of the box stuff.
 
againstthegrain said:
Stupid is everywhere, no reason to take advantage of everyone for that. Besides it can be used in manner that is unconstitutional by those sworn to UPHOLD the constitution, of which there are many examples of.
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Are you using the term "stupid" in place of "paranoia "?
 
How do you feel about warrant less ability to track your every move
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I don't commit crimes, so warrant or no warrant I'm not concerned. EVERY single keystroke and mouse click I do while connected to the internet potentially can be tracked, mostly by data brokers wanting to sell my consumer preferences in the exploding marketing data business.

...such is the world this day.
 
Nathan said:
I don't commit crimes, so warrant or no warrant I'm not concerned. EVERY single keystroke and mouse click I do while connected to the internet potentially can be tracked, mostly by data brokers wanting to sell my consumer preferences in the exploding marketing data business.

...such is the world this day.
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Not committing crimes is a good start, however pls see overturned convictions thread for the brutal treatment of many that were innocent at the hands of LE, prosecutors, "expert" witnesses, crime labs and judges.
 
againstthegrain said:
Corporations assemble a product that is then purchased by .gov instead of getting warrant for same. It's already being done w other types of data.
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Not quite understanding this. It supports my assertion. What requires a warrant in legal terms is one thing, what people willingly give up themselves is another. My personal assessment is that people make a big noise about privacy, but they will trade privacy for convenience without question.

Example: I recently bought two "smart bulbs". They are controlled via an app. Convenience means I can set timers, effects, colors, all in real time from my phone. On the flip side, you have to register on their app, give your email address, and location. This data is super easy to provide a "connect the dots" to any of your social media accounts.
 
HermitHogan said:
In most cases, they're just storing the data. Nobody's "monitoring" the cameras. They're not sitting in rooms staring at computer screens saying "keep an eye on that guy. He looks suspicious." It's more after the fact that people look at the videos — such as after the Boston Marathon attack, or after a shooting. Or in recent news, the election ballot boxes where somebody put incendiary devices in the slots of three boxes and destroyed hundreds of ballots. The FBI wasn't sitting there monitoring the boxes but only looked at the videos after the fact. You can bet they know who did it by now. They're just not divulging that information to the public yet.
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Here in Canada EVERY ballot box is in a public polling place, with Elections Canada workers in the same room. The ballot boxes are never unattended here. How did this fire event happen ? Can any one explain how somebody could do this ? A serious question. JIM.
 
jimintoronto said:
Here in Canada EVERY ballot box is in a public polling place, with Elections Canada workers in the same room. The ballot boxes are never unattended here. How did this fire event happen ? Can any one explain how somebody could do this ? A serious question. JIM.
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These were outdoor ballot drop boxes — similar to mailboxes.
 

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