End of the road for Electric Cars ?

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Electric vehicles (EVs) have been touted as an environmentally-friendly solution to the climate crisis, giving passengers a smooth, emissions-free ride.

But it seems the electric revolution – deemed essential to curb carbon emissions – is running out of road.

MailOnline's graph reveals that global EV sales have slumped in recent months for three top manufacturers, as the public struggles to fall in love with the technology.
Despite growing steam long-term, Elon Musk's Tesla saw quarterly EV sales fall from a peak of 484,500 in Q4 2023 to just 386,800 in the first quarter of 2024.

Meanwhile, Chinese car manufacturer BYD – the world's largest seller of electric vehicles – saw global EV sales crash earlier this year.

In the first quarter of this year, it sold just over 300,000 EVs – dramatically down from 526,000 in the final quarter of last year.

Similarly, German carmaker Volkswagen sold 239,500 EVs in Q4 2023, but only 136,400 the following quarter, although sales recovered to 180,800 in Q2 this year.

It comes as Volkswagen has been forced to close three of its factories and slash jobs, partly due to a slower-than-expected transition to electric vehicles.




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Tesla , despite growing steam long-term, saw quarterly sales fall from a peak of 484,500 in Q4 2023 and 386,800 in the first quarter of 2024.


Why are EV sales slumping?

Experts claim that there's a 'clear downward trend' in the global EV market.

Electric vehicles run on energy from a charged battery much like a smartphone but come with hefty pricetags – around £46,000 on average in the UK.

'Electric vehicles typically cost more upfront,' say Milad Haghani, lecturer in urban analytics‬ at UNSW Sydney, and Hadi Ghaderi, a supply chain professor at Swinburne University of Technology, in a piece for The Conversation.

'Sales have slowed in parts of Europe and the United States often due to reduced incentives, but strong sales growth continues in other regions such as China and India.'

The two experts say a 'flood of cheaper Chinese vehicles' is lowering the cost barrier.

However, these Eastern exports have triggered surveillance fears.

Another 'major issue' for car buyers is uncertainty about an electric model's resale value compared to a standard petrol or diesel, the researchers point out.

'Consumers are concerned electric vehicles depreciate faster than traditional cars... these concerns are particularly tied to battery degradation, which affects a car’s range and performance over time.'

Meanwhile, EV fires have made headlines globally – including a high-profile battery fire in a Korean parking lot in August – creating doubts among consumers.
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Shocking charts reveal how electric car sales have SLUMPED
 

Not to mention all of the pork forked out from the public pocket to make any of this happen. Tax credits and other incentives, sweaty wads of cash handed to automakers, subsidies to "public" charger companies, home charger equipment and installer companies. And then there's the parasitic load on domestic power grids and the non-payment of road taxes.
 
dilettante said:
. And then there's the parasitic load on domestic power grids and the non-payment of road taxes.
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Nice inflammatory rhetoric there. I'm paying an extra $200 a year that an ICE car driver isn't for my annual registration renewal to cover those road taxes and while I make my own power from the solar on my roof, I also don't have the air conditioning in my house that so many do. And if you're using an air conditioner to stay cool, I wouldn't call you a parasite on the power grid.
 

As the British government currently has date on which the sale of petrol guzzling cars will become illegal it isn’t .
One of my towns car parks recently closed and electric charging stations were put on each space.
The layby outside my local Wetherspoons has had two installed.
This is going to be happening more and more.
I forget when the cut off point is but eventually there will only be electric cars.
Until someone comes up with an as yet unthought of technology that even sees the end of them.
We may not live to see the last petrol car on the road but it will happen and new homes will have to built with charging stations.
I love riding on the electric buses that Newport Bus operate.They are very quiet!
 
hollydolly said:
Electric vehicles (EVs) have been touted as an environmentally-friendly solution to the climate crisis, giving passengers a smooth, emissions-free ride.

But it seems the electric revolution – deemed essential to curb carbon emissions – is running out of road.

MailOnline's graph reveals that global EV sales have slumped in recent months for three top manufacturers, as the public struggles to fall in love with the technology.
Why are EV sales slumping?
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Have you ever tried to change the batteries in those EV's?
 
Over the years, many improvements have been made to conventional IC vehicles to greatly improve their efficiency and reduce emissions, however it appears that micro particles of rubber from the tyres are a bigger pollutant than the exhaust .

An electric car is basically a vehicle with an electric motor and battery rather than an ICE and a fuel tank. Much of the body, mechanics etc still use the same materials - and then there's still the tyres and all those nasty micro particles. Some people look at a bigger picture and talk about the environmental cost of mining Lithium, loss of biodiversity and effect on indigenous people in mining areas. Sounds like we have to destroy the planet to save it ?

Don't worry. Earth will probably be destroyed by insane warmongering dictators long before the last petrol driven car makes its last journey.
 
dilettante said:
Not to mention all of the pork forked out from the public pocket to make any of this happen. Tax credits and other incentives, sweaty wads of cash handed to automakers, subsidies to "public" charger companies, home charger equipment and installer companies. And then there's the parasitic load on domestic power grids and the non-payment of road taxes.
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It seems that oil companies receive quite favorable treatment as well. Why would we give tax breaks and subsidies to one of the most successful industries in the country?
Exxon's Tax and Subsidy Grift
 
Furryanimal said:
As the British government currently has date on which the sale of petrol guzzling cars will become illegal it isn’t .
One of my towns car parks recently closed and electric charging stations were put on each space.
The layby outside my local Wetherspoons has had two installed.
This is going to be happening more and more.
I forget when the cut off point is but eventually there will only be electric cars.
Until someone comes up with an as yet unthought of technology that even sees the end of them.
We may not live to see the last petrol car on the road but it will happen and new homes will have to built with charging stations.
I love riding on the electric buses that Newport Bus operate.They are very quiet!
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we here where I live have had the Electric charging stations installed for at least 10 years in many places. even the farm restaurants..even Aldi... ... it's passe here .....yet if I see more than one Car being charged in a Car park in any one day.. that's the most I'll see...
 
My truck runs on regular, does not talk back to me, hauls everything I ever asked her to. I will not a trade her in for something that does not like heat or cold, needs to be fed by a power cable and the sources of parts are questionable.
 
Taking a long trip with an electric car takes much longer as you have to stop to charge frequently and it takes longer than putting gas in a car. Plus they are expensive to repair.
 
Nobody said changing from gas to electric cars was going to be easy. Nor is electric car technology already completely flushed out without flaws. In the horse vs. Model T era, many people had broken arms, because Fords didn't have electric starters, you had to crack the "T" to get it started, which back fired.
And sooner or later, we are going to run out of gas-they aren't making anymore dinosaurs.
 
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This is not true. EV's are not going to stop being produced and they are increasing in production and sales world wide. The statistics are clear, when derived by unbias sources.

Click on any of the numbers for the sources. :

  1. Projected Growth:
    • By 2025, electric vehicle sales could comprise up to 20% of new car sales
    • By 2030, this could reach 40% of new car sales
    • By 2040, EVs could account for nearly all new car sales
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  2. Ongoing Development:
    • Many major automakers are continuing to invest in and develop new EV models
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    • There are dozens of new pure electric models set to debut by the end of 2024
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  3. Long-term Industry Shift:
    • While some automakers are adjusting short-term plans, experts suggest this doesn't jeopardize the long-term transition to EVs
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    • The overall trajectory continues to lean electric, with EV startups gaining market share and traditional companies planning for an EV future
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  4. Technological Advancements:
    • Improvements in battery technology are expected to reduce costs and increase range
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    • New EV platforms and architectures are being developed by major manufacturers
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  5. Government Support:
    • Many states have passed laws banning the sale of new gasoline passenger cars by 2035, which will further drive EV adoption
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While there are challenges to overcome, such as infrastructure development, consumer adoption, and supply chain issues, the overall trend points towards a continued growth and expansion of the electric vehicle market. The transition may be occurring slightly more slowly than some initial projections, but it is still very much underway.
 
I think what we are seeing is the result of government trying to force the issue rather than let the industry, the technology and the market grow into it organically. It would be a longer and slower transition, but it would feel more natural; unless some truly breakthrough battery technology comes along. (Full disclosure - my daughter works in EV research for a major car company.)
 
Dr. Jekyll said:
I think what we are seeing is the result of government trying to force the issue rather than let the industry, the technology and the market grow into it organically. It would be a longer and slower transition, but it would feel more natural; unless some truly breakthrough battery technology comes along. (Full disclosure - my daughter works in EV research for a major car company.)
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I never know all the motives of government, but I suspect the government is pushing electric vehicles as a response to citizen concerns about global warming. If those concerns did not exist among the public, the government would do nothing. Not that electric vehicles by themselves will solve the problem, but it's an attempt, if only a drop in the bucket, to address an issue... (or to appear to be addressing an issue).
 
Certain government institutions are trying to circumvent the reality of the market place by forcing EV production before the demand and infra structure is there. It is not surprising that this is failing. Let EVs develope on their own and they will probably take a big chunk of the car market at some point. How big? I don’t know.

Think about cell phones (mobiles to those in the UK). They now rule the roost while ordinary wired phone service has rapidly shrunk to a small percentage of phone usage. Why? No government institution forced us to disconnect our wired phone service and purchase cell phones. We did it ourselves because the cell phones offer a better overall value to us that POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) via wires. That same will happen for EVs, in my opinion if the government stops playing King Kanute, and let’s it develop on its own.

Ntoe: King Kanute is the guy who tried to order the tide not to come in and wet his royal slippers. It didn’t work. At least King Kanute knew he would fail. Our modern day King Kanute imitators think they actually can order the marketplace to work they want it to work.
 
Dr. Jekyll said:
I think what we are seeing is the result of government trying to force the issue rather than let the industry, the technology and the market grow into it organically. It would be a longer and slower transition, but it would feel more natural; unless some truly breakthrough battery technology comes along. (Full disclosure - my daughter works in EV research for a major car company.)
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Not only more natural, but less harmful to the general population.
 
The 'Free Market', letting consumers chose, always is the best way for new products to expand into a market. The more our governments try's to force it, the longer it will take for EV's to make it in the marketplace...

Won't they ever learn...
 
Capt Lightning said:
Over the years, many improvements have been made to conventional IC vehicles to greatly improve their efficiency and reduce emissions, however it appears that micro particles of rubber from the tyres are a bigger pollutant than the exhaust .

An electric car is basically a vehicle with an electric motor and battery rather than an ICE and a fuel tank. Much of the body, mechanics etc still use the same materials - and then there's still the tyres and all those nasty micro particles. Some people look at a bigger picture and talk about the environmental cost of mining Lithium, loss of biodiversity and effect on indigenous people in mining areas. Sounds like we have to destroy the planet to save it ?

Don't worry. Earth will probably be destroyed by insane warmongering dictators long before the last petrol driven car makes its last journey.
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Is this supposed to make me feel better? :ROFLMAO:
 
chic said:
Is this supposed to make me feel better? :ROFLMAO:
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Don't worry.

They may wish to be dictators but so far they're merely authoritarians. These regimes are being deposed by people coming to their senses all around the world, at least outside of totalitarian states.

Support for warmongers has dropped considerably. Even in Germany the (cordon sanitaire) cabal has been pushed back in recent elections. That's significant under a fractured political framework designed to suppress the will of the people via a maze of Parties and factions making back-room deals out of the light of day.
 

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