Envy /sour grapes & some liberals

Just keep in mind.... that a lot of liberals are just as rich... if not more so than some Conservatives spouting this "sour grapes" nonsense.. Some just have an understanding about real life.. and a compassion for those not as fortunate.. It's not "sour grapes" at all... It's called being human.
 

The "Sour Grapes" crap still bothers me Lon.. You are making a whole bunch of assumptions about the people here that you shouldn't.. .. You say that we have no idea about YOU or your life and circumstances..... perhaps... but by the same token.. YOU have no idea about the rest of us to be able to make a blanket statement like that.
 
QuickSilver said:
The "Sour Grapes" crap still bothers me Lon.. You are making a whole bunch of assumptions about the people here that you shouldn't.. .. You say that we have no idea about YOU or your life and circumstances..... perhaps... but by the same token.. YOU have no idea about the rest of us to be able to make a blanket statement like that.
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You are forgetting that I said some liberals which hardly makes it a blanket.

I don't live in a cave without contact to the real world. I was making reference in my post to personal contacts that I have made over a period of time in my life with bitter and vocally envious liberals of the type I was referring to. My problem with this whole thing is that I personally find the Hard Core Liberal as Nauseating and Irritating as the Hard Core Conservative. This debate the other night makes me want to puke when they tried to Out Christianize each other which is nothing more than pandering to the FUNDAMENTALS
 
Lon... when you make blanket statements about Liberals... even if you think you are tempering it by using the word "Some"... you are still on THIS forum.. and you are talking to the Liberals on this forum... I am a Liberal... Let me assure you... I have no "sour Grapes" mentality... NOR do I have a reason to "envy" anyone.. Got it?
 
QuickSilver said:
Lon... when you make blanket statements about Liberals... even if you think you are tempering it by using the word "Some"... you are still on THIS forum.. and you are talking to the Liberals on this forum... I am a Liberal... Let me assure you... I have no "sour Grapes" mentality... NOR do I have a reason to "envy" anyone.. Got it?
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You have taken this whole thing personally QS and that is a mistake. Got it??
 
QuickSilver said:
Lon... when you make blanket statements about Liberals... even if you think you are tempering it by using the word "Some"... you are still on THIS forum.. and you are talking to the Liberals on this forum... I am a Liberal... Let me assure you... I have no "sour Grapes" mentality... NOR do I have a reason to "envy" anyone.. Got it?
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Lon is making a statement about some Liberals, and he is not just talking to the Liberals on this forum Quicksilver, he's talking to all members here of all political parties.

I agree with him that you are taking this too personally, and you really shouldn't. He has the right to express his views and opinions as much as anyone else here, he's not pointing the finger at anyone in particular.

We often post threads about Conservatives that are not flattering, but we make our points about what they are doing or trying to do that we disagree with. I know I have done this many times, and I don't mean it to be a personal attack on anyone here.

If all the Conservatives took all of our threads and posts personally, it would not be very good for any of us. When any politician or political party is criticized, none of us should take it personally.
 
I only take time from counting my money and sailing my yacht to try enlighten you about the divine right of WASP men to rule...
 
You will have to storm my castle, which means getting over my moat that will be filled with burning oil and suffer the arrows of my archers lining the parapets, so bring it on...
 
I have heard that line of thinking before when it was said to me: The Haves-Nots always want what the Haves have. This remark came from a nouveau riche wasp, who might be conservative or even a pseudo liberal, and I found it a very offensive and mean thing to say to someone in lesser financial circumstances.
 
Cookie said:
I have heard that line of thinking before when it was said to me: The Haves-Nots always want what the Haves have. This remark came from a nouveau riche wasp, who might be conservative or even a pseudo liberal, and I found it a very offensive and mean thing to say to someone in lesser financial circumstances.
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Those who have wealth, modest or great wealth, and rub it in the face of those who do not, are jerks (substitute for another word) of the first order.
 
Late to the party here. I have only read Lon's original post, and a couple of the earlier responses. Lon and I went at it pretty hard on another post, and he revealed a few details about his early upbringing. There are reasons why he holds his opinions.
I think he is way off base, but he's not a monster. He is not one of "them".
There are as many views of things as there are people. There are people who have a "sour grapes" view. There are many who envy and/or hate the rich. There are super rich people and large corporations that do as much good as any charitable organization or religious institution.
What I find lacking in Lon's statement and in the attitudes of many of the super wealthy is any real understanding or compassion for those who find themselves through no fault of their own in circumstances that make it impossible to rise up without assistance.
Basic food, shelter, and health. Not within the reach of everybody.
I certainly have no envy of the rich. Spending my life trying to maintain all of my "things" and defending them against others?
Not my idea of fun. I much preferred spending the time with my wife and kids.
 
Often, "bootstraps psychology," is a foil for avoiding any sense of guilt/compassion/responsibility for those less fortunate than ourselves. This attitude is also prevalent among persons without a wealthy lifestyle. Somehow financial security becomes imbued with moral rectitude????
 
Don't forget that some of the donationsof the rich, and I'll beat you to the qualification, for taxes or other wise, exceed the welfare budgets of most states. Whether current institutions are able to keep levels of services in pace with needs, not just fed programs, is probably more of an issue. It is unfortunate that the legislative process defines the terms argued about in this forum. The rich have their bases covered, and blaming them is counter productive. Policies trying to get into their pockets will only result in creative plans of capital flight. It's the nature of the beast.
 
Shalimar said:
Often, "bootstraps psychology," is a foil for avoiding any sense of guilt/compassion/responsibility for those less fortunate than ourselves. This attitude is also prevalent among persons without a wealthy lifestyle. Somehow financial security becomes imbued with moral rectitude????
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You assume guilt etc. is part of a specific value system.and that value system is somehow superior. Slippery slope fallacy..
some business models, such as Magellan advising, and other think tanks make just as solid arguements for "Greed is good".
 
“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.”
― Stephen Colbert
 
Speaking as a Celtic poet, words are a slippery slope. A good debater/orator can make a case for BBQing the children of the poor as a combination population control/sustainable food source. I do not espouse that particular model, and feel comfortably superior in my righteousness. Lol.
 
QuickSilver said:
I would say that ENOUGH is when you have enough money to support yourself and your family without the need of assistance.. Wouldn't you?
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Exactly! I think most people aren't interested in being filthy rich but we want to be able to put money away to help our kids once in a while in a pinch or for helping with the grandkids college fees, or to go shopping for the children's Christmas presents (or whatever your holiday is) without having to feel anxiety over 'having/wanting' to do it and to take a holiday once in while without having to pay it off over the next three years or without having to get panicky when your car suddenly makes a new 'funny' noise. I can't even picture myself living in a house with more than three smallish bedrooms, one for guests who drop in, one for me and my husband and one so that I don't have to listen to his computer games or look at the wires all over the place.

But who the hell needs billions?
 
Debby said:
Exactly! I think most people aren't interested in being filthy rich but we want to be able to put money away to help our kids once in a while in a pinch or for helping with the grandkids college fees, or to go shopping for the children's Christmas presents (or whatever your holiday is) without having to feel anxiety over 'having/wanting' to do it and to take a holiday once in while without having to pay it off over the next three years or without having to get panicky when your car suddenly makes a new 'funny' noise. I can't even picture myself living in a house with more than three smallish bedrooms, one for guests who drop in, one for me and my husband and one so that I don't have to listen to his computer games or look at the wires all over the place.

But who the hell needs billions?
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Absolutely! :applause2:
 

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