Congratulations on a job well done.
Obesity 101
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Congratulations on a job well done.
Good point. Lots of obesity in the UK now as well and catching up quickly to the US.
Well done QS. Maintenance is harder than losing in the first place!
Debby
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Does any of this preclude you from being considerate of the feelings of those who do try to manage their weight but are stymied in that by other health issues, location problems, food costs, etc? It isn't political correctness, it's respect for other folks feelings.
I'm with you on political correctness for it's own sake being tiresome and too often silly. Last night I watched Bill Maher do a bit on this very subject and it was hilarious how silly we've gotten in some instances. For instance he said some group is saying that 'senior citizens' should be referred to only as people of advanced age. Ridiculous! Why is one any better than the other? They both refer to old(er) people and neither are 'four letter words' if you get my drift.
But if we know that a word will hurt someone's feelings, why use it?
Debby
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Not sure about the UK but in North America salad stuff costs more than burgers because corn, soy and animal producers get huge subsidies where as veggie farmers don't. Time for a change I think.
Debby
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Just to jump in real quick.. FAT is NOT a bad word in nutrition.. It's necessary. It allows us to absorb vital fat soluble nutrients such as vitamins A, D, E, and K. A person totally eliminating fat from their diets will soon suffer malnutrition and vitamin deficiency. I believe the old guidelines were to include healthy fats, such as the polyunsaturated variety as 10% of your calories, but not sure it that has been adjusted.. Carry on...nthego:
Thank you QS. Fat is not a bad word but is a requirement. I think even our brain health absolutely requires fat. I knew a young woman once who went on a low, low fat diet and within a couple months she was not feeling so good and when she finally went to the doctor, after admitting her low fat diet, he told her that was exactly the problem. Her low fat diet was causing all sorts of health problems and once she started including it again she felt fine.
My feeling is that a big part of the obesity problem is our huge use of grains (primarily wheat). I think that because it turns to sugars and we aren't active enough to burn those sugars off immediately, it switches on the insulin output, which then prevents our bodies from dealing with those sugars properly, which adds to our weight and then we eat more pasta, bread, pie, cake, etc and the cycle begins again and again and ..... You'll have to help me here QS. When my horse first suffered from laminitis, I spent lots of time trying to figure out the cause and insulin resistance came up as one of the possible reasons. But that was a few years ago so I'm not 100% positive how that works, but it's something like that.
Also, here's something for you to consider also Don M and some others who are of the same perspective. I watched a documentary about obesegens and how that chemical BPA is now considered an obesegen, which are basically environmental chemicals that are seen to alter the DNA of unborn babies as a result of their mother's exposure to obesegens. BPA was previously used to harden plastic which is why the ban on it's use in hard plastic baby bottles and little kids sippy cups. The problem is, it is also present in the plastic that food cans are now coated in and it leaches into the food and then is consumed. Probably lots of other sources too that weren't focused on in the documentary.
The effect of BPA on the unborn is that the change in DNA structure means that it creates a new 'switch' in that new little persons metabolism that clicks on at a certain stage of their growth and suddenly they begin to gain weight. How often do you hear that the child was a normal weight when they were born and suddenly, for no apparent reason, they began gaining weight and struggled against it for the rest of their lives. And keep in mind that even as it affects that newly forming little body, mom is continuing to eat food that is contaminated, live in a world that is contaminated by other obesegens and then the child enters that world he or she is living in that same toxic world.
Then that kid who has the changed DNA (and is eating food out of cans, etc.) goes on to have children who not only are impacted by mom and dads changed DNA, but are being nourished by food that may have been in cans........and then their child is born with this changed DNA.......do you get the picture here? We are basically careening down a slippery slope and there are no brakes! So this is not entirely a case of will power, or exercise but is also the result of all the chemicals that are present in our environment. Some of us are the exception to this new 'rule' obviously. But maybe we were blessed with mothers who were able to use fresh or were involved with home canning in glass jars (as opposed to metal canned) or breast fed instead of bottle fed....
Capt Lightning
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I relate an incident that happened some time ago in ASDA (part of the Walmart group).... I was looking for the fresh herbs but seemed to be confronted by ailes of ready meals. I was moaning about this when a female shopper asked, "Have you gotta problem?" I said yes, I couldn't find the fresh herbs. She looked puzzled and said, "I wouldn't know wot they were".
And I thought, that pretty well sums up the problem.
And I thought, that pretty well sums up the problem.
Debby
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Oh Captain, I know exactly what you mean. I once went through a check out with radishes in the pile and when the cashier came to them, she had no idea what they are! Radishes! Who doesn't know what a radish is?
Debby
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I read about a study once where they put out three drinks. One was a plain liquid, one had sugar added and the third had both fat and sugar added and the consensus among the participants was that they preferred the third (fat and sugar). This harkens back to our primordial days when fats were an absolute must because of their high calorie benefits in the face of famine or long harsh winters combined with 'slim pickens'.
It's a sad commentary.
Not surprised! I've seen on the news where they are asking kids what certain fruit and veg here and it's shocking what they don't know.
My only supermarket, Morrison's, had a big rack of fresh herbs for about a year. I guess they didn't sell well as now it's a small area of packaged fresh herbs.
We had a lot of that in our supermarket and when it was taken over by another chain they sent all the cashiers to fresh food training.
I complained one time that I couldn't find sesame seeds they used to carry and a young guy was sent to find them. He came back with pumpkin seeds and said 'these are seeds'. I have to make a special trip to the town's only health food store to buy them.
After working as a cashier in a supermarket for 17 1/2 years I can assure you it is not only kids that don't know.
I was working the self scan tills one day when a woman of 70 or over had a problem weighing tomatoes and she turned to me for help, I took her through step by step and told her she had to press the fruit button first, she then turned to me and very haughtily said.........'oh! so now you are calling a tomato a fruit'.............my reply to her was.........'madam a tomato has always been a fruit'.......with that I walked away.
After working as a cashier in a supermarket for 17 1/2 years I can assure you it is not only kids that don't know.
I was working the self scan tills one day when a woman of 70 or over had a problem weighing tomatoes and she turned to me for help, I took her through step by step and told her she had to press the fruit button first, she then turned to me and very haughtily said.........'oh! so now you are calling a tomato a fruit'.............my reply to her was.........'madam a tomato has always been a fruit'.......with that I walked away.
Yep, many adults don't know either!! There are veggies in the UK that either we didn't have in the US or I just didn't know what they were.
QuickSilver
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the sweet and fleshy product of a tree or other plant that contains seed and can be eaten as food.
Therefore... squash, and cucumbers are also fruits.
the sweet and fleshy product of a tree or other plant that contains seed and can be eaten as food.
Therefore... squash, and cucumbers are also fruits.
AZ Jim
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Fruits, vegetables....who cares...I know what I like and what it looks like that's good enough for this ole guy.
That's funny. I always knew about tomatoes being "fruit". My grandfather had an awesome garden when I was a kid.
My parents had an exceptional garden -- corn, onions, beans, potatoes, cucumbers, peas, cabbage and much more - things that grew in their locale. But I had never had broccoli or asparagus until I was an adult - I don't think it grew on the west coast and most things we ate were grown locally. My parents never grew tomatoes or peppers as there wasn't enough sun, but here in Ontario the Italian gardens are mostly tomatoes and peppers.
To my mind all vegetables are either fruit if they have seeds or roots if they grow underground. I categorize actual fruit as the sweet ones - as does my supermarket, which displays tomatoes in the vegetable aisle.
To my mind all vegetables are either fruit if they have seeds or roots if they grow underground. I categorize actual fruit as the sweet ones - as does my supermarket, which displays tomatoes in the vegetable aisle.
d0ug
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Sick soils sick people. I tried to upload this chart but unable so here is where the chart can be seen
http://www.ecoorganics.com/sick-soil/
http://www.ecoorganics.com/sick-soil/
Debby
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Would anyone be interested to know why salads are $7 and burgers a $1?
Because I think I could tell you if you were. But if you're not, I won't bother you with it.
SifuPhil
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I would be - economy of scale?