Your body, my choice. A question for women.

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The title does not imply just procreation, but all aspects of a woman's life so it's not a Roe V Wade question but one of men controlling women because they feel empowered to do so and that they have that right because they were born men.

Ladies, how do you feel about this? Will you/would you stand for it if men take the attitude that you have no sovereignty over yourself?

In the 19th century this was probably a woman's lot and she did not question it but fast forward a century and women of my generation would never put up with this attitude no matter what unless they're masochists.

It's hard to see this movement succeeding but I could be wrong. What do you think.
 

It is indeed sickening!! It’s no wonder young women don’t want to get married or have children. It makes them more vulnerable to abuse. Some men use their children to keep women in line and in relationships. There’s talk of getting rid of no fault divorce. This should concern all women.
 
Whoo, this is a sensitive topic...As I have mentioned, I would gladly take a man that abuses a woman or child for a walk in the woods and teach him a lesson.

And I agree domestic violence/issues need to stop. Period.

But, the statistics are not so cut and dry as they seem. It is a lot closer than they appear. The problem is that men rarely if ever report domestic violence, so the number of abused men is very low. And unfortunately women are fearful of reporting so their numbers can be off. But to the ones that do these are some stats from the domestic violence research project;
  • Overall, 22% of individuals assaulted by a partner at least once in their lifetime (23% for females and 19.3% for males)
  • Rates of female-perpetrated violence higher than male-perpetrated (28.3% vs. 21.6%)
  • Across studies, 40% of women and 32% of men reported expressive abuse; 41% of women and 43% of men reported coercive abuse
So it is not as dastardly as it seems. And in no means should either one do any of these things....AT ALL.

But as with in society itself, there are some problems just just sustain themselves despite at attempts to eliminate it.
 
Tazx said:
I would gladly take a man that abuses a woman or child for a walk in the woods and teach him a lesson.
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Is the question here abuse or something else? If you wrap it in one big ball and insist it is all one thing, it makes it hard to do anything about it.

I'm seeing an awful lot of things decried as "abuse" by women. Even things like avoiding manipulation.

Men have left the friendzone without women realizing
 
Teacher Terry said:
It is indeed sickening!! It’s no wonder young women don’t want to get married or have children. It makes them more vulnerable to abuse. Some men use their children to keep women in line and in relationships. There’s talk of getting rid of no fault divorce. This should concern all women.
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Yes, there is talk of eliminating no fault divorce which saved money, time and hardship on those involved. It's really hard to believe this is happening but it is.
 
chic said:
Yes, there is talk of eliminating no fault divorce which saved money, time and hardship on those involved. It's really hard to believe this is happening but it is.
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don't be so sure about this statement.

I am currently going through a ''no fault divorce''..believe me this is worse than the one I had that went through the physical courts ...
 
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Disclaimer: I'm not here to pit women against men or vice versa, and to be clear I'm not a feminist I believe that everyone regardless of gender should be treated with equal respect and dignity.

Boy, this post possibly opened a can of worms as in the world today where everyone is divided and has an opinion responding truthfully about how you feel will cause a sting.

In my adult life I have worked with, lived with, been friends with all sorts of women, and I must say that very few of my personal and professional relationships with women went without a dose of jealously, control, anger, and outright manipulation. As for my relationships with men in all scenarios stated above, the opposite is true.

I've (and before you attack me, I'm speaking about my personal experiences) had very few incidents with men that have left me feeling out of control or abused in anyway (abuse is not only physical)- do they happen in the world- yes, of course, and in some cases things that men do to women are outright horrible but women, as stats show, and from personal experiences, are no 😇 either, and can be worse as they react emotionally.

I feel, and have witnessed, that they also tend to provoke situations that could have been avoided because of their uncontrollable fits of rage and emotionally charged drama (this is not true for all women, calm down). This has been studied and stats will back up my statement and personally experienced.

It's a two way street and we are human - men and women. We both make mistakes, at times have bad judgment leading to bad situations, especially when love is involved, but knowing how to behave as a normal human being goes a long way in how these situations end up.

I'm not taking sides here, but I can say that personally I feel more comfortable, respected and safe around men (maybe not the sketchy guy on the sidewalk 😀) just overall in my daily encounters and personal relationships past and present.

The bottom line is, women and men behave badly- men just seem to get the blunt of it all because they are men - think #meetoo movement, that was a nightmare for men- women outright lied accusing men of horrendous things destroying their life- but that's forgotten, let's slip that under the rug- we don't want to bring that up, and acknowledge that women can be outright liars! And the wrongfully accused have never been exonerated!

If I was to tell each of my awful encounters with the same sex, this would be a book - I 've experienced both physical & mental abuse from women who I've trusted, as well as extreme cases of manipulation that involved them wanting me to outright lie to help them with their personal issues to cover their wrong doings- funny thing, in the two situations involving their husband's - the men were the most honest and wanted to deal with the issues sensibly and resolve them with the best possible outcome for the family.

With regards to (and I know equal pay, opportunity at work was not brought up but I just have to) workplace treatment- the men in my long-term employers treated me with the utmost respect, giving me fair opportunities allowing me to promote equally regardless of my sex.

In the most masculine and aggressive environment the gym- to my recollection, one incident with a man - and dozens with women.

To conclude- women have left me wondering what went wrong? I believe women are our own worst enemies- aside from the true stories that women go through all over the world- I think we have it pretty good in th Western countries but turning it pretty bad for ourselves.
 
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Whoo, this is a sensitive topic...As I have mentioned, I would gladly take a man that abuses a woman or child for a walk in the woods and teach him a lesson.

And I agree domestic violence/issues need to stop. Period.

But, the statistics are not so cut and dry as they seem. It is a lot closer than they appear. The problem is that men rarely if ever report domestic violence, so the number of abused men is very low. And unfortunately women are fearful of reporting so their numbers can be off. But to the ones that do these are some stats from the domestic violence research project;
  • Overall, 22% of individuals assaulted by a partner at least once in their lifetime (23% for females and 19.3% for males)
  • Rates of female-perpetrated violence higher than male-perpetrated (28.3% vs. 21.6%)
  • Across studies, 40% of women and 32% of men reported expressive abuse; 41% of women and 43% of men reported coercive abuse
So it is not as dastardly as it seems. And in no means should either one do any of these things....AT ALL.

But as with in society itself, there are some problems just just sustain themselves despite at attempts to eliminate it.
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You are so right, Taxz, this is a sensitive topic. And in fact I believe the stats are that a mere one percent of DV victims are men, at least that was true when I worked in the DV field educating people. Also, there are other issues at work here--like, women have many more reasons not to leave an abusive partner, due to the structure of the culture, not to mention our upbringings. I hate to sound pissy, but I'd rather not hear men speak on this topic.
 
My grand mother was a business woman who also raised a large brood and had a husband. My mother ran a company in a man's field in pencil skirts and stilettos, raised her brood, was very active in competition sports and had a husband. The same here. SO is my Better Half. My sister and her husband have a relationship that is outside my comprehension.
Raise your hand but understand that every action will have a reaction. The questions is - can you handle it?

I worked hardcore collections back in the day and aside from attacks towards me I saw enough hadship to last a lifetime. But it eluded me what makes them tick. Why do females and males go back for more abuse?
 
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Non contested divorce with no children is advertised for $150 here.
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yes advertised lower than that here... but it's not the case. Mine is a no faults divorce, but it's not as easy as they make out. Simply asking for what is you're rights in the divorce then bumps up the bill to £££ thousands.. and I mean thousands.. just for asking for your basic rights and emitlement..

This is the grave error my soon2bex made when he applied after 2 year seperation for a no fault dicorce. He had clearly been listening to people telling him it would ccost him a few hundred pounds and he coud walk away.. and I wouldn't be able to cast aspersions at him for all the vile things he's done... boy was he wrong!

£10k..it's cost each of us so far..and I'm as mad a bag of frogs that it's cost me this.. as the victim in this whole sorry scenario... and in fact the 10k..is the least of it...I've actually been quoted 30k.. if I want them to invesitgate his finances further

perhps if people have nothing to split, no property .. and no kids.. and are willing to just cut their losses and walk away it might cost the minimum... but it certaily doesn't the second you ask for what the law states is your entitlment..
 
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Marcy Sheiner said:
You are so right, Taxz, this is a sensitive topic. And in fact I believe the stats are that a mere one percent of DV victims are men, at least that was true when I worked in the DV field educating people. Also, there are other issues at work here--like, women have many more reasons not to leave an abusive partner, due to the structure of the culture, not to mention our upbringings. I hate to sound pissy, but I'd rather not hear men speak on this topic.
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Well I just took stats from the DV research project. Seems like a very important research project group, and would therefore be I assume, very, very accurate. If they are wrong, take it up with them. But I highly doubt they are.
I also highly doubt your statistics of 1 percent. In the Military during my time there were maybe 9 to 10 cases of DV court martial proceedings or Military criminal charges/review, and by no means were they 99 percent men. There was 3 women for sure, because they were well known on the base. So as much as you want to blame us men for everything, (and your are welcome to so) it takes 2 to create a conflict, and both men and women need to look at themselves in the mirror and be honest to themselves.
I don't argue that men make up 60 percent give or take, but women are far from the -cute little angels that don't do anything wrong-, but your very attitude of not needing a mans opinion is the very essence of why problems in society will NEVER EVER get corrected. Instead of talking about it, spouting some question statistics (1 percent-not in this world) you just tell a man to essentially in a nice way to -pi$$ off.
Not a problem.
 

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