Your body, my choice. A question for women.

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I am so thankful for the feminists who made my life easier and more equitable. Thank god I can ask for equal pay…vote….ect. I still remember the times when discrimination because of sex was a real thing. I do not know where people go that are exposed to people yelling at each other…even the few dive bars i frequented this would be unusual. Taxz’s better half must hang with a real rotten crew. On the other hand….closed doors cover a multitude of sins.
 
Muskrat said:
I am so thankful for the feminists who made my life easier and more equitable. Thank god I can ask for equal pay…vote….ect. I still remember the times when discrimination because of sex was a real thing. I do not know where people go that are exposed to people yelling at each other…even the few dive bars i frequented this would be unusual. Taxz’s better half must hang with a real rotten crew. On the other hand….closed doors cover a multitude of sins.
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The feminists of now now and then are a different species.

As for who I "hang" with- government employees, every day soccer moms.

"On the other hand….closed doors cover a multitude of sins." what exactly are you referring to?
 

Like I said….I have so rarely heard adults yelling at each other as not not recall a single event. But what people do behind closed doors is quite another matter. I worked emergency rooms for several decades. I have seen lots and lots of victims of abuse. Beatings…shootings…rape. One guy even felt justified to throw his bowling ball at his wife’s head. Now I do NOT know what she said….but REALLY???
 
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Like I said….I have so rarely heard adults yelling at each other as not not recall a single event. But what people do behind closed doors is quite another matter. I worked emergency rooms for several decades. I have seen lots and lots of victims of abuse. Beatings…shootings…rape. One guy even felt justified to throw his bowling ball at his wife’s head. Now I do NOT know what she said….but REALLY???
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Ok, what you are seeing is the worst of society in a location where you will see the worst of society. Not necessarily a great indicator.
I have seen a lot in many missions around the world, and I can tell you in real life on the ground as its happening scenarios, it seldom is what you see in medical tents-hospitals-or reflected in statistics.
 
Even though in my youth, I was refused two “male” jobs driving a Tri-axle, I was fortunate to be rebellious enough that “those men“ knew better than to tell me where they thought my place was.

My body my choice.

I still have the rusty pig de-nutters we used on the farm that I would love to use on some of these awrseholes and then string them up over a fire ant hill.😆
 
I have investigated dozens of calls from women or their relatives or neighbors that were being beaten a number of times by their husband or boyfriend. I took a statement from one young woman who told me her husband told her how to dress, what to eat, when to go to bed, when to get up, come straight home from work or she would get beat. She lived a horrible life. It was a real pleasure for me to put the cuffs on his wrists.

He tried to deny everything, but the x-rays said differently. She had several broken bones and had received several stitches from the emergency rooms from the 3 different hospitals she had visited. She finally had enough and when her husband had to go out of town on business, she rounded up her kids and with the aid of child services was able to get a place to stay at a safe house.

He did about everything he could to find her, but he wasn’t able to locate her or the kids. When he attempted to get the kids out of school is when the school called us and we were able to arrest him. She was able to get a PFA, but in most cases, they don’t stop the man. We kept her under wraps until he finally gave up and settled his marriage differences in court.

She signed a complaint for multiple injuries and he ended up spending a year in jail with work release privileges, so he could pay her money to take care of the kids. He was also fined “X” amount if dollars and given notice by the judge, if he violated the PFA, he would serve 5 years regardless and without work release.

She has since done well for herself and her kids.
 
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The title does not imply just procreation, but all aspects of a woman's life so it's not a Roe V Wade question but one of men controlling women because they feel empowered to do so and that they have that right because they were born men.

Ladies, how do you feel about this? Will you/would you stand for it if men take the attitude that you have no sovereignty over yourself?

In the 19th century this was probably a woman's lot and she did not question it but fast forward a century and women of my generation would never put up with this attitude no matter what unless they're masochists.

It's hard to see this movement succeeding but I could be wrong. What do you think.
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Men don't want to control women.

True, for centuries both men and women were taught that he was the sole provider and she the home-maker, child-carer, and husband-pleaser, but that traditional thinking began dying out in the late 1950s, and gained traction in the 60s, thanks to women who were real justice warriors (and to the power of free-speech).

As far back as the mid-1800s, women were making everyone aware that the word mankind included them.

I'm not denying there are men who abuse women simply because they are women; they exist, and they should be buried under the prison. But the average man doesn't want to control women, and doesn't pretend that he could if he wanted to.

And believe me, men do not want oopsie pregnancies any more than women do. Men want women to be as healthy as they can be bc they hope their wives/female partners outlive them....they hate the prospect of becoming a widower. Men welcome a second income, especially when the economy sux. Men enjoy being Dads. Believe it or not, the average dad thinks kids are as cute and awesome and lovable as your average moms do, they just express it differently.

Men are not interested in controlling women's lives. Policies and laws are the source of that frustration.

And there are women who support the pro-life side of the abortion issue, and they have equal voice in gov't...so there's that, too.
 
hollydolly said:
yes advertised lower than that here... but it's not the case. Mine is a no faults divorce, but it's not as easy as they make out. Simply asking for what is you're rights in the divorce then bumps up the bill to £££ thousands.. and I mean thousands.. just for asking for your basic rights and emitlement..

This is the grave error my soon2bex made when he applied after 2 year seperation for a no fault dicorce. He had clearly been listening to people telling him it would ccost him a few hundred pounds and he coud walk away.. and I wouldn't be able to cast aspersions at him for all the vile things he's done... boy was he wrong!

£10k..it's cost each of us so far..and I'm as mad a bag of frogs that it's cost me this.. as the victim in this whole sorry scenario... and in fact the 10k..is the least of it...I've actually been quoted 30k.. if I want them to invesitgate his finances further

perhps if people have nothing to split, no property .. and no kids.. and are willing to just cut their losses and walk away it might cost the minimum... but it certaily doesn't the second you ask for what the law states is your entitlment..
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No, Hollydolly - it is $150. for a plain end of it which is not what you are describing.
 
Muskrat said:
@Murrmurr …that is why being a feminist had little to do with getting rid of guys. My guy is fantastic! But we are not married. In today’s norms this is totally ok with most people.
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Some of the most awesome women I dated in the 80s and 90s were feminists during the 70s. All they were asking for was to be treated equal under the law; equal pay, equal opportunity, equal responsibilities.

I just want to point out that, until very recently, men were not equal under the law when it came to custody or visitation of their children after a divorce (and were not often treated fairly when it came to distribution of property and assets), and single working fathers were not eligible for the same social services as single working mothers.

Family courts and Human Resources were both extremely lopsided in women's favor until the mid-2000s, and they are still more favorable to women.

I had some pretty rough times as a single father because of that. And because I had a daughter, I had to be super conscious of minding my Ps and Qs. She had the power to make my life a living hell. Fortunately, she loved me even when she occasionally hated me. (and I adored her even when it was a challenge)
 
Murrmurr said:
Men don't want to control women.

True, for centuries both men and women were taught that he was the sole provider and she the home-maker, child-carer, and husband-pleaser, but that traditional thinking began dying out in the late 1950s, and gained traction in the 60s, thanks to women who were real justice warriors (and to the power of free-speech).

As far back as the mid-1800s, women were making everyone aware that the word mankind included them.

I'm not denying there are men who abuse women simply because they are women; they exist, and they should be buried under the prison. But the average man doesn't want to control women, and doesn't pretend that he could if he wanted to.

And believe me, men do not want oopsie pregnancies any more than women do. Men want women to be as healthy as they can be bc they hope their wives/female partners outlive them....they hate the prospect of becoming a widower. Men welcome a second income, especially when the economy sux. Men enjoy being Dads. Believe it or not, the average dad thinks kids are as cute and awesome and lovable as your average moms do, they just express it differently.

Men are not interested in controlling women's lives. Policies and laws are the source of that frustration.

And there are women who support the pro-life side of the abortion issue, and they have equal voice in gov't...so there's that, too.
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Of course there are some great men out there. It would be ridiculous to think otherwise. This isn't about you or even our generation. But there is a growing trend among younger men that women belong at home having kids and cooking dinner. The 19th amendment should be repealed. This kind of thinking is dangerous to women on every level and I wonder how they really feel about it in their hearts. I just wanted to awaken women to the fact that this level of craziness does exist in some men. There is a desire for absolute dominance and control which they may convince themselves is the Christian way.
 
chic said:
Of course there are some great men out there. It would be ridiculous to think otherwise. This isn't about you or even our generation. But there is a growing trend among younger men that women belong at home having kids and cooking dinner. The 19th amendment should be repealed. This kind of thinking is dangerous to women on every level and I wonder how they really feel about it in their hearts. I just wanted to awaken women to the fact that this level of craziness does exist in some men. There is a desire for absolute dominance and control which they may convince themselves is the Christian way.
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I'll bet that's because these "men" want to sit around playing video games 20hrs/day, and they're probly thinking "women's turn to support men"....as if they ever supported anyone or even have the chutzpa and motivation to support themselves.

Do you think that's what it is?
 
Dangerous? How?

As far as I can tell they are choosing women willing to take a natural role. And simply walking away from the others, not giving them a second glance.

How is this "crazy" and "dangerous?" It sounds more like a return to normality and it should be their choice. Why should they be compelled to engage with toxic women? Women who feel free to bail out of a marriage and take half his stuff and often his kids as they run off to increase their body count chasing Chads and Tyrones? You know, the ones they later wail about as abusers?

How are the guys at fault? They have a right to be choosy.
 
Murrmurr said:
I'll bet that's because these "men" want to sit around playing video games 20hrs/day, and they're probly thinking "women's turn to support men"....as if they ever supported anyone or even have the chutzpa and motivation to support themselves.

Do you think that's what it is?
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Some might but I think the majority have a vision of a country where subjugation of women is the norm like it was in the last century. When my grandmothers were born women could not vote. There are men who share the vision of this kind of restraint on women.
 
Murrmurr said:
I'll bet that's because these "men" want to sit around playing video games 20hrs/day, and they're probly thinking "women's turn to support men"....as if they ever supported anyone or even have the chutzpa and motivation to support themselves.
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This turns out to be complete horseshit.

The studies conducted show that even "gamers" don't spend as much time on this as female peers do on toxic social media.
 
Imogene said:
Even though in my youth, I was refused two “male” jobs driving a Tri-axle, I was fortunate to be rebellious enough that “those men“ knew better than to tell me where they thought my place was.

My body my choice.

I still have the rusty pig de-nutters we used on the farm that I would love to use on some of these awrseholes and then string them up over a fire ant hill.😆
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I actually had a man tell me ''where my place was '''

I was working in a male dominated industry in Brecia Northern Italy which comprised of British truckers delivering internationally...I was a scheduler for them..

One day I walked over to meet a truck and a driver which had recently arrived from Northern England.. and as I greeted the driver, he literally walked past me and out of the side of his mouth he snarled ''get back in the kitchen where you belong''..

I swear, he literally said that !!

It was such a cliche that it stopped me in my tracks.... for just a minute
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chic said:
Some might but I think the majority have a vision of a country where subjugation of women is the norm like it was in the last century. When my grandmothers were born women could not vote. There are men who share the vision of this kind of restraint on women.
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I just think that's ridiculous.. all these years on, because these men , or their forefathers or their grandparents never knew a world where women couldn't vote.
My grandmother was born before voting was legal for women, in 1900..but by the time she was an adult voting was available to her... so as far back as 120 years ago.. nobody alive remembers that women couldn't vote..
 
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chic said:
The title does not imply just procreation, but all aspects of a woman's life so it's not a Roe V Wade question but one of men controlling women because they feel empowered to do so and that they have that right because they were born men.

Ladies, how do you feel about this? Will you/would you stand for it if men take the attitude that you have no sovereignty over yourself?

In the 19th century this was probably a woman's lot and she did not question it but fast forward a century and women of my generation would never put up with this attitude no matter what unless they're masochists.

It's hard to see this movement succeeding but I could be wrong. What do you think.
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The Your Body, My Choice movement is not about the usual issues of gender equality, it is about the threat of violence towards American women who support the My Body, My Choice movement and, by implication, any woman who has the misfortune to be targeted by the type of men who believe they are superior to women and are prepared to use the threat of violence in order to control them.

I doubt whether anyone on this board supports a movement like Your Body, My Choice.

I believe the background to the movement is being more heavily reported in the USA than here so, our American friends will likely have a greater knowledge than I so, if I am incorrect in what I have written above, please correct me. I have been very careful not to mention any names or politics (y)
 
I can't keep up with the moving goalposts.

I thought the allegation was that men are abusers. Now it's some weird thing about preventing them from voting. I can't remember anyone seriously suggesting that.
 

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