Health Care CEO murdered in NYC in a targeted attack

Tom52 said:
I don't understand why so many here are rooting for this killer to not be brought to justice.
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I get 'admiring' someone who stood up to what many perceive as the big bad.

BUT while a nation state and not a tribe, gang member etc murder is a no.

To top it off there are numerous issues with health care in the US beside insurance companies. Other than giving a temporary boost to denied claims getting a second look nothing was solved.

And guess who comes up with the criteria many of these insurance companies use or have a say in denials and approvals-health care providers ie doctors.
 
AnnieA said:
BS. Palliative care for end-stage CA prioritizes comfort regardless of medication side effects.
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I did not see anyone say "palliative" care! Geez. They just said "Lung cancer"; lung cancer does not mean one is AUTOMATICALLY on hospice OR palliative care. Sorry, yes, people on hospice are kept comfortable as possible; when one goes into HOSPICE all the rules change regarding what is and what is not covered; absolutely.
 

CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
"Rich" is relative to one's own world view and experiences.
When I think of wealthy people, I think of such things as

1) WOW...look at ALL those taxes they pay in to the government (in the States it is nearly ALWAYS at least 50% of one's income when over 1.5 million or so;
2) WOW, they must have people bugging the crap out of them to donate or give money...to them;
3) WOW...I bet they have to pay body guards, financial accountants, tax accountants, lawyers...on and on and on...
4) WOW...when they die their relatives will be fighting over their money and forget mourning them at all!
5) WOW... LOOK how much they contribute to non-profits (or FOUND non-profits...).

I don't envy (or think anyone is privileged in this world) the wealthy at all.
I want just enough money so I don't have to worry about a roof over my head; food even isn't much of an issue the older I get! The MORE money you have the MORE everyone wants it from you, and the less people enjoy you for who you are is how I see it.
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Not sure why you're ranting at me about that. I don't care that some people are uber wealthy ...even defended Bezos and Musk in an earlier post.
 
Pepper said:
I knew from the start I didn't like you. You may put me on ignore. Thank you.
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You don't even know me, 🤣 . All I know about you is that you are from NYC? Just because one has differing views that you, you don't like them. So what? I find people with differing views...interesting. It makes me wonder why their world view is different than mine, etc. I love people I can have discussions with. Obviously it will your loss if I put you on "ignore". So I won't. Why are you so bitter and unhappy?
 
AnnieA said:
Not sure why you're ranting at me about that. I don't care that some people are uber wealthy ...even defended Bezos and Musk in an earlier post.
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Oh, sorry, :ROFLMAO:wasn't meaning to "rant" er "get passionate".
It wasn't at you 😁, AnnieA...it was more the context of the previous inputs.
Passionate. Good word, no?
 
WhatInThe said:
I get 'admiring' someone who stood up to what many perceive as the big bad.

BUT while a nation state and not a tribe, gang member etc murder is a no.

To top it off there are numerous issues with health care in the US beside insurance companies. Other than giving a temporary boost to denied claims getting a second look nothing was solved.

And guess who comes up with the criteria many of these insurance companies use or have a say in denials and approvals-health care providers ie doctors.
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It is a panel; standards of care review boards; statistical analysis. And it rather sucks, but they are trying to make money and are not doing well at it at all..just pissing off people because of their ineptness.

Since I've been in health care (in several modes), since 1984.
I work from home doing advocacy work (usually voluntarily) for those stuck with errors in insurance company denials and cases to fix billing errors or fraud. I have several friends in my network that help me get things sorted out; or I report fraud when needed. Also do expert witness stuff for Area Agencies on Aging, as a volunteer when I am able.
 
The suspected killer of UnitedHealthCare CEO Brian Thompson is the heir to a holiday resort fortune created by his grandparents - and the brother of a top doctor.

Luigi Mangione, 26, comes from a powerful Maryland family centered around the late patriarch Nicholas Mangiano, a first-generation American who built a real estate empire in the state that included country clubs and media.

Nicholas, who died in 2008 aged 83 after suffering a stroke, was the owner of Turf Valley Resort and Hayfields Country Club, as well as the radio station at the WCBM-AM.
Nicholas was born in Baltimore's Little Italy to a poor family but worked his way up from nothing. He also founded the nursing home Lorien Health Services. Luigi volunteered at his grandpa's nursing home in 2014, according to his LinkedIn.

Nicholas had 10 children, including Luigi's father Louis, and was married to his wife Mary until his death. The couple lived in a $1.9 million mansion situated on their country club, with Mary dying in 2013.

Luigi Mangione is also the cousin of Republican Maryland House of Delegates member Nino Mangione, as reported by The Baltimore Sun.

Meanwhile Luigi's mother Kathleen Zannino Mangione owns a boutique travel company, and his sister MariaSanta Mangione is a respected doctor. She currently works as a medical resident at UT Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas after graduating from Vanderbilt medical school.

Luigi Mangione is being held at a jail in Altoona, Pennsylvania, after the UnitedHealthcare CEO was shot dead on the streets of Manhattan after his arrest Monday morning.
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Mangione is originally from Towson, Maryland, and is an anti-capitalist former Ivy League student who attended a $40,000-a-year Baltimore private school.

He grew up in considerable comfort in an $800,000 home in Towson, Maryland, where his parents still live.

The musclebound suspect has ties to San Francisco, and used to live in Honolulu, Hawaii, cops confirmed.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
I didn't see anywhere the post said the patient was on HOSPICE. HOSPICE is a whole different pain plan.
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"Dying from Cancer" implies that death is imminent, which typically means a patient is on/ going to be put on hospice.

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About my friend's husband- Frank, he was a decent, hard working man. He was 71, passed just a couple months before his 72nd birthday. He had just retired a few months before the cancer was discovered.
 
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Nathan said:
"Dying from Cancer" implies that death is imminent, which typically means a patient is on/ going to be put on hospice.

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About my friend's husband- Frank, he was a decent, hard working man. He was 71, just a couple months before his 72nd birthday. He had just retired a few months before the cancer was discovered.
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Forgive me. 😟
After being deeply in health care since 1990-ish, when someone says to me "Dying from Cancer" I do not automatically file them under "Hospice" or "Palliative" care; call me an optimist? ;):ROFLMAO: We providers do tend to be.

I would have to review the case of your friend's husband Frank...stacks and stacks of medical records, etc. in order to determine why and if pharm pain relief was or was not implemented.

The problem with health insurance companies is the training of the person or persons on the other end of the phone with you may or may not be well versed or trained, or ABLE to (be given the liberty) they need, or algos don't apply to this case or that case.

Not sure when this denial happened but since COVID allowed at home workers, strictly using computers at home: well, let's just say it is really screwed up things.

During COVID I was on the phone with an medical insurance person, a young lady working from home. Or I should say TRYING to work from home analyzing and approving/denying insurance claims. I could hear what seemed to be a toddler in the background, all sorts of goings on...this was EARLY in the stay at home and work timeframe.

I asked the young woman if that was a baby/toddler? She says: "YES, mam! I don't know who these people are who think they can shut down day care centers and think I am supposed to get ANYTHING done..." and she BURST into tears and broke down sobbing. Then she told me of her plight.

I think it is ridiculous to not work where you have a higher power right there to take a glance at a claim and do a thumbs up or thumbs down!

Doctor's office personnel are just way in over their heads, too. What a mess.
 
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The police are saying that they arrested the person whom they believe is the shooter. Apparently, he was sitting in a McDonalds , waiting for them to arrest him, and has one of those written manuscripts that seems to be the fad for shooters these days.

None of this really makes sense to me. Some of the pictures look like a different person, wearing different clothes and carrying a different backpack.
The backpack was just found left on the street and had Monopoly money in it. This must mean something to someone, but I have no idea what the message was supposed to be.

There was a reward put out, but no reward from UHC, where he worked, and you would think that the company would put out a reward for the killer of their CEO, wouldn’t you ?
It seems like he just left things as messages, like the bullets or casings (I heard both ways) with something written on them, then leaving his backpack and jacket, and then, he just sits in a McDonalds, with the gun used in the shooting, and waits to be arrested.

The reasons for the assassination seem not to be clear, either, just that the company was being investigated, and possible insider trading, and something connected to the break-in last February, where so many peoples’ personal information was stolen.
I think that this is one of those happenings where we never really get the whole story of what happened and why it happened.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Likely because a lung cancer patient will die from pain meds; yes, I know he will die from lung cancer anyway...but they cannot prescribe something that can kill him via stopping breathing, especially with lung cancer issues.

Alcohol works as well for pain, and costs less.
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Pain medications are lethal only when a person takes way too much at once.

Lung cancer is extremely painful and causes weakness, wasting, difficulty breathing, and a chronic cough that is also very painful.

Certainly you're not suggesting a that a terminally ill lung cancer patient should die miserably so their cancer specialist and pharmacist can practice an abundance of caution....are you?
 
Happyflowerlady said:
The police are saying that they arrested the person whom they believe is the shooter. Apparently, he was sitting in a McDonalds , waiting for them to arrest him, and has one of those written manuscripts that seems to be the fad for shooters these days.

None of this really makes sense to me. Some of the pictures look like a different person, wearing different clothes and carrying a different backpack.
The backpack was just found left on the street and had Monopoly money in it. This must mean something to someone, but I have no idea what the message was supposed to be.

There was a reward put out, but no reward from UHC, where he worked, and you would think that the company would put out a reward for the killer of their CEO, wouldn’t you ?
It seems like he just left things as messages, like the bullets or casings (I heard both ways) with something written on them, then leaving his backpack and jacket, and then, he just sits in a McDonalds, with the gun used in the shooting, and waits to be arrested.

The reasons for the assassination seem not to be clear, either, just that the company was being investigated, and possible insider trading, and something connected to the break-in last February, where so many peoples’ personal information was stolen.
I think that this is one of those happenings where we never really get the whole story of what happened and why it happened.
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Trust me. The reasons, and the answers to all of your questions, will be answered at his trial. That still happens in the USA, although the time for this to get to trial will probably take a year or more. Just preparing the evidence to be presented at trial, will take months to collect and assemble. When it gets to trial, he may simply plead guilty, who knows, but the trial will happen, and he is never going to see the street , again. JIM>
 
Murrmurr said:
Pain medications are lethal only when a person takes way too much at once.

Lung cancer is extremely painful and causes weakness, wasting, difficulty breathing, and a chronic cough that is also very painful.

Certainly you're not suggesting a that a terminally ill lung cancer patient should die miserably so their cancer specialist and pharmacist can practice an abundance of caution....are you?
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Beat me. 🤣 :rolleyes: OMG!
Please do not tell me any more about medicine.
Murrmurr please tell me you ARE a health care professional, who practices medicine?
 
jimintoronto said:
911. The shooter left at least 2 unfired rounds on the sidewalk at the scene. The crime scene techs found those rounds, both of which had words engraved on them. The words were DENY and DELAY, which relates to terms used in the medical insurance business to refuse claims. That was what the shooter wanted to be found. To me they are his "calling cards " . By racking the action, he was laying down his message rounds. Jim
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Why would it matter if the shooter used a semiautomatic or a single shot? The cartridge would still be ejected. I’m sure he wanted the cartridges to be found, but it wouldn’t matter how they were ejected.

I have 2 suppressors that I bought about 5 years ago, but only used the one for my 9mm.

I did hear that that enforcement picked up a suspect today.
 
So what if this guy came from wealth? Many of the champions of social justice for the less fortunate came from wealth.

Che Guevara, Simon Bolivar, Franklin D. Roosevelt, JFK, RFK, just to name a few. Sure most rich people are ass hats. But not all of them.
 
Trade said:
So what if this guy came from wealth? Many of the champions of social justice for the less fortunate came from wealth.

Che Guevara, Simon Bolivar, Franklin D. Roosevelt, JFK, RFK, just to name a few. Sure most rich people are ass hats. But not all of them.
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Perhaps it is the irony of someone who obviously benefited from money he obviously didn't make it on his own two feet/brain; shoots someone who did make his own two feet/brain?

I too am curious as to why wealth has anything to do with any of this.

I think it is more about power over people's lives and people feeling helpless in some way.

Who knows? Just glad am not a leopard with those spots.
 
911 said:
Why would it matter if the shooter used a semiautomatic or a single shot? The cartridge would still be ejected. I’m sure he wanted the cartridges to be found, but it wouldn’t matter how they were ejected.

I have 2 suppressors that I bought about 5 years ago, but only used the one for my 9mm.

I did hear that that enforcement picked up a suspect today.
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I think I would believe you @911 over anyone here..on the subject of guns (y)
 
911 said:
Why would it matter if the shooter used a semiautomatic or a single shot? The cartridge would still be ejected. I’m sure he wanted the cartridges to be found, but it wouldn’t matter how they were ejected.

I have 2 suppressors that I bought about 5 years ago, but only used the one for my 9mm.

I did hear that that enforcement picked up a suspect today.
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Yes. They have a suspect. He's highly educated and works as a programmer.
 
jimintoronto said:
Trust me. The reasons, and the answers to all of your questions, will be answered at his trial. That still happens in the USA, although the time for this to get to trial will probably take a year or more. Just preparing the evidence to be presented at trial, will take months to collect and assemble. When it gets to trial, he may simply plead guilty, who knows, but the trial will happen, and he is never going to see the street , again. JIM>
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Think he'll want a trial and at this point, don't count on a unanimous verdict. Jury selection in Manhattan for this case could get really interesting.
 
"Sure most rich people are ass hats."

Rather a stretch to pigeon hole so many good, hard working people into the "ass hat" category isn't it?
I'd wager to bet there are a lot more "ass hat" type people in the other brackets than the few in the high income brackets.

Just a thought:

People can be mean, like a basket of blue crabs, when it comes to envy and resentment rather like this:

Take a basket of freshly hand-caught blue crabs in a basket on a dock.
Watch them closely.
One of the blue crabs will inevitably work and work, and just manage to creep up the side of the basket and get a grip on the top of the basket and work harder still to pull himself up to escape.
What do the other crabs do?
They will seize onto that fortunate escaping crab and pull him back down.

Sadly there is something IN many people who will seize on any opportunity to berate, bring down, critisize the smart, the wealthy, the able, the one who isn't like the rest of the crowd and manages to raise themselves up.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Likely because a lung cancer patient will die from pain meds; yes, I know he will die from lung cancer anyway...but they cannot prescribe something that can kill him via stopping breathing, especially with lung cancer issues.

Alcohol works as well for pain, and costs less.
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Cancer patients and other people that are terminally ill are prescribed painkillers all the time by doctors. Insurance companies aren’t doctors. No one wants to die in agony. You really can’t be this naive.

People that are dying usually can’t get food or drink down or keep it down so no they can’t drink alcohol. Plus alcohol can’t relieve extreme pain. Another person for my ignore list.
 
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