Israel Bombs Syria and Seizes Territory

[Murrmurr]

If they're just trying to protect themselves, why are they so determined to shoot at other countries. Why not use their famous Mossad to dig out terrorists and do it with subterfuge instead of bombing the crap out of innocent people?

They tried that for decades. It didn't stop anyone from shooting them.

And when they bombed Iran's embassy in Syria, that was a direct contravention of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations where the rule is, you don't bomb other embassies. It was like a dare to the Iranians and for the record, Israel is a signatory to that convention. It's almost like contracts mean nothing to them. Easy to sign, easy to break.

The problem is, contracts mean nothing to the people who want all Israelis, and Jews in general, dead. Israel's main target was Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi, a critical figure in the relationship between Iran and Hezbollah who operated within the embassy in Syria.

It should also be known that Syria hasn't attacked Israel in the past 20 years, but Israel has bombed that country numerous times. Just like in Russia, this is a land grab just like seizing the Golan Heights was, which is now the location of 25,000 Israeli's in 30 settlements. I wonder if they qualify as illegal settlements too?

But Syria allowed Iran to allow Hezbollah and other jihadist groups to operate within their borders, appearing to keep their own hands clean while these groups killed Israeli Jews.

This conflict has much less to do with land than eliminating every Jew everywhere.

As for "occupation", you don't seem to realize that the area known as Palestine was called Judea before the Romans occupied and renamed it, primarily to dishonor the native people they enslaved; the Jews.

 

[Debrah N.]

I read the new gov. Is recruiting for police, to bring law and order, to build up their institutions again, and have the refugees return.

I hope it's a change for the better. Those folks have been through awful things. I can't even begin to imagine living like that.

 

[Murrmurr]

And for decades, Israel has been using Palestinians as targets. I guess some Arab 'neighbours' felt like no one else has been standing up for the Palestinian people, so they took it upon themselves.

And Murrmurr, it doesn't matter what the area was called and the ancient Roman's aren't in the picture now. So in my opinion that's no-sense defence of what the Israeli's have been doing for 70 years to the people who were living there when they moved back in. Call them whatever you want, Palestinians, Arabs, Canaanites....they are still people who have suffered for decades in ways you and I can only imagine in our nightmares.

Judea existed for thousands of years and was always the home of the Jews, until they were enslaved, displaced, and driven out of their land. This is why it was agreed they could return to their homeland in 1948, after Palestine had become mostly an arid wasteland. And anti-Jew Arabs in the surrounding nations started killing them immediately, and have been killing them ever since.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Paco Dennis]

Judea existed for thousands of years and was always the home of the Jews, until they were enslaved, displaced, and driven out of their land. This is why it was agreed they could return to their homeland in 1948, after Palestine had become mostly an arid wasteland. And anti-Jew Arabs in the surrounding nations started killing them immediately, and have been killing them ever since.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

Palestine was not mostly an "arid wasteland" before 1948. It had a diverse population and agriculture. https://study.com/academy/lesson/kingdom-of-judea-history-lesson-quiz.html

 

[Murrmurr]

Palestine was not mostly an "arid wasteland" before 1948. It had a diverse population and agriculture. https://study.com/academy/lesson/kingdom-of-judea-history-lesson-quiz.html

The entire western portion of Palestine/Israel was arid. There were very few people living there; Arabs, Catholics, and other non-Jewish people....who the Jews left alone, btw. One of the first orders of business of the new Israeli gov't was to install a system to carry water to that area, renew the soil, and establish farms that benefited the people who already lived there as well as the newly settled and resettled Jews.

 

[againstthegrain]

RU packing up military gear and flying it out. Convoys head out perhaps in anticipation of abandoning at least one military base. Good riddance!

In other great news - "The leader of the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah acknowledged on Saturday that its supply route through Syria had been cut off by rebels who toppled the government last weekend, dealing another blow to Hezbollah and its patron, Iran.

Before its collapse, the Syrian government had provided a land corridor for Iran to supply weapons and materiel to Hezbollah in Lebanon, bolstering the militant group’s power and Iran’s influence as its main backer.

“Hezbollah has lost the supply route coming through Syria at the current stage, but this is a small detail and may change with time,” the Hezbollah leader, Naim Qassem, said Saturday in a televised speech."

 

[againstthegrain]

"Israel has struck Syria more than 450 times since the collapse of the al-Assad regime a week ago, according to the Observatory, destroying Syria’s navy and dozens of ammunition depots, air bases and other military equipment.

Israel’s military has also seized and occupied an expanse of territory in Syria over the de facto border between the two countries, giving no timeline for its departure apart from saying that it would stay until its security demands are met."

 

[Debrah N.]

The entire western portion of Palestine/Israel was arid. There were very few people living there; Arabs, Catholics, and other non-Jewish people....who the Jews left alone, btw. One of the first orders of business of the new Israeli gov't was to install a system to carry water to that area, renew the soil, and establish farms that benefited the people who already lived there as well as the newly settled and resettled Jews.

Then here's a question for you, why are Palestinians having to survive on 1/3 the water that Israeli settlements use? That's according to Bt'selem, a Jewish human rights group in the country of Israel. https://www.btselem.org/publications/202305_parched. Seems as though that water system doesn't serve all.

Also, in 1922 (five years after the British Mandate), there were about 643,000 Arabs and about 83,000 Jews there. Hardly a country with very few people.

 

[dilettante]

Nakba - Wikipedia

 

[squatting dog]

Never has been a country of Palestine. The "History" of a Country Called Palestine..................
• Before the State of Israel, there was the British Mandate, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the Kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, not a country called Palestine.
• Before the theocracy of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a country called Palestine.
• In the Land of Israel there have been many entities...but never a country called Palestine.

 

[Murrmurr]

Then here's a question for you, why are Palestinians having to survive on 1/3 the water that Israeli settlements use? That's according to Bt'selem, a Jewish human rights group in the country of Israel. https://www.btselem.org/publications/202305_parched. Seems as though that water system doesn't serve all.

Also, in 1922 (five years after the British Mandate), there were about 643,000 Arabs and about 83,000 Jews there. Hardly a country with very few people.

Two reasons:
1) Hamas and thousands of Gazan workers dug up most of the underground water pipelines and used them to make missiles to kill Israelis.
2) Egypt, original home of many of the so-called Palestinians, agreed to supply them with basic necessities, chiefly water. But with the pipelines destroyed, Egypt decided it was too massive an undertaking, so UNRWA stepped in.

That said, Israel has been supplying humanitarian aid to Palestinian residents in Gaza since at least 2015, including clean water, and provided even more aid after the IDF responded to Hamas's Oct 7th attack. The Israeli gov't decided not to replace the underground water pipes, though, as that would only provide Hamas with more material for making bombs and missiles.

BTW, several days before retaliating against the Oct 7th brutal attack, the Israeli military secured a safe underground passage for innocent Gazan citizens wishing to escape harm, but few were able to make it out before Hamas soldiers started shooting at anyone who attempted to flee.

On the other hand, Egypt closed their border to Palestinians wanting to flee Gaza...and to Palestinians in general. While Israel separates the civilian citizens of Gaza from their terrorist gov't, Egypt does not.
(Netanyahu is currently in agreement with Egypt)

 

[Debrah N.]

Two reasons:
1) Hamas and thousands of Gazan workers dug up most of the underground water pipelines and used them to make missiles to kill Israelis.
2) Egypt, original home of many of the so-called Palestinians, agreed to supply them with basic necessities, chiefly water. But with the pipelines destroyed, Egypt decided it was too massive an undertaking, so UNRWA stepped in.

That said, Israel has been supplying humanitarian aid to Palestinian residents in Gaza since at least 2015, including clean water, and provided even more aid after the IDF responded to Hamas's Oct 7th attack. The Israeli gov't decided not to replace the underground water pipes, though, as that would only provide Hamas with more material for making bombs and missiles.

BTW, several days before retaliating against the Oct 7th brutal attack, the Israeli military secured a safe underground passage for innocent Gazan citizens wishing to escape harm, but few were able to make it out before Hamas soldiers started shooting at anyone who attempted to flee.

On the other hand, Egypt closed their border to Palestinians wanting to flee Gaza...and to Palestinians in general. While Israel separates the civilian citizens of Gaza from their terrorist gov't, Egypt does not.
(Netanyahu is currently in agreement with Egypt)

I was talking about the W. Bank (see link) , you're talking about Gaza. And the Palestinians of the West Bank are only getting 1/3 the water that is going to the illegal settlements. According to Bt'selem.

 

[againstthegrain]

Back to Syria. The Kurds(US ally) are getting beat up by the Turks hired militia and Israel isn't leaving Syria until some trustworthy group forms and takes control in Syria. That could be a 1,000 years. RU is moving advanced weapons out of Syria into Lebanon.

 

[Murrmurr]

I was talking about the W. Bank (see link) , you're talking about Gaza. And the Palestinians of the West Bank are only getting 1/3 the water that is going to the illegal settlements. According to Bt'selem.

When Hamas infiltrated the W.Bank after Israel pulled out, Lebanon agreed to provide them aid. Hamas soon bit the Lebanese gov't in the arse and Lebanon was much less forthcoming with the aid. Again, the task fell to UNRWA.

Only Iran is interested in aiding the Palestinians, primarily with bombs and weapons and only if they don't immigrate to Iran.

 

[Murrmurr]

Back to Syria. The Kurds(US ally) are getting beat up by the Turks hired militia and Israel isn't leaving Syria until some trustworthy group forms and takes control in Syria. That could be a 1,000 years. RU is moving advanced weapons out of Syria into Lebanon.

Who would that be, I wonder? (hint: no one)

 

[Debrah N.]

When Hamas infiltrated the W.Bank after Israel pulled out, Lebanon agreed to provide them aid. Hamas soon bit the Lebanese gov't in the arse and Lebanon was much less forthcoming with the aid. Again, the task fell to UNRWA.

Only Iran is interested in aiding the Palestinians, primarily with bombs and weapons and only if they don't immigrate to Iran.

These sorts of discussions always seem like an effort to blame the Palestinians for the horrors that are happening to them. How does anyone accept children burned to death or blown to pieces or shot by snipers with a single bullet to the heart or head? I don't understand the lack of empathy of so many and yet if it was any of our children, we'd be heart broken and demanding that it stop. But by and large, the West doesn't seem to care. And we continue to send money and weapons even as we pathetically send aid to the Palestinians while wringing our hands.

Don't bother responding because I'm out of here. I've given up hope that the world will stop this and I with my anger over it, have no power to stop what is happening. I just can't take this constant reminder of their suffering and yes, I know, it is a 'cowards' way out.

 

[Murrmurr]

Just in case you take one more look....

These sorts of discussions always seem like an effort to blame the Palestinians for the horrors that are happening to them.

I think most of us agree that Hamas, their gov't, is to blame, primarily.

How does anyone accept children burned to death or blown to pieces or shot by snipers with a single bullet to the heart or head? I don't understand the lack of empathy of so many and yet if it was any of our children, we'd be heart broken and demanding that it stop.

Palestinians have killed thousands of Israeli children just in the past 7 decades. Over the centuries, Arabs have killed millions of Jews. Men, women, children, the elderly and infirm; doesn't matter. The only thing that has ever mattered is that they are Jews.

But by and large, the West doesn't seem to care. And we continue to send money and weapons even as we pathetically send aid to the Palestinians while wringing our hands.

The west cares that Palestinians are dedicated to completely eliminating every Jew on earth. The west also acknowledges that the Palestinian people hate Jews because their gov't demands it. It is written in (the equivalent of) their Constitution, taught in their schools, mosques, and kiddy camps. The west views this as brainwashing, so, even though the Palestinian people are a threat to every Israeli, they provide aid because they are people, and very possibly salvageable despite generational brainwashing.

Don't bother responding because I'm out of here. I've given up hope that the world will stop this and I with my anger over it, have no power to stop what is happening. I just can't take this constant reminder of their suffering and yes, I know, it is a 'cowards' way out.

I don't view you as a coward; I have no reason to. And I won't give up hope that you will find a factual source that explains the history of Judea/Palestine/Israel, who the "Palestinians" really are, and what led to this war.

One last thing I want to say....many Israelis, and Jews living elsewhere, disagree with Netanyahu's war in Gaza, primarily because they don't like killing, and particularly the killing of women and children. Jews respect life.

l'chaim, Debrah.

 

[againstthegrain]

 

[againstthegrain]