Inmate beaten to death by prison employees

NYS Correction Officers misbehaving from post #111. No discipline, and no accountability results in more abuse, more ruined lives, and huge taxpayer funded settlements.

NYT 12/28/24 "At least three of the New York prison guards implicated in the savage beating death of a handcuffed man had been accused of participating in similar attacks on prisoners across the state.

Two of the corrections officers and a sergeant accused in the death of Robert Brooks, an inmate at the Marcy Correctional Facility in central New York, were previously named in federal lawsuits filed by prisoners accusing them of brutal attacks that left one man disfigured and another in a wheelchair.

A lawyer for one of the injured men drew a line from the earlier accusations of violence to the attack this month.

“The fact that they [NYS Dept of Corrections] failed to rein in these officers that they knew had beaten someone else is a direct contributor to Mr. Brooks’s death,” said Katie Rosenfeld, the lawyer. She criticized the New York State Department of Corrections and Community Supervision for fighting her client’s lawsuit for four years."
 
againstthegrain said:
NYS Correction Officers misbehaving from post #111. No discipline, and no accountability results in more abuse, more ruined lives, and huge taxpayer funded settlements.

NYT 12/28/24 "At least three of the New York prison guards implicated in the savage beating death of a handcuffed man had been accused of participating in similar attacks on prisoners across the state.

Two of the corrections officers and a sergeant accused in the death of Robert Brooks, an inmate at the Marcy Correctional Facility in central New York, were previously named in federal lawsuits filed by prisoners accusing them of brutal attacks that left one man disfigured and another in a wheelchair.

A lawyer for one of the injured men drew a line from the earlier accusations of violence to the attack this month.

“The fact that they [NYS Dept of Corrections] failed to rein in these officers that they knew had beaten someone else is a direct contributor to Mr. Brooks’s death,” said Katie Rosenfeld, the lawyer. She criticized the New York State Department of Corrections and Community Supervision for fighting her client’s lawsuit for four years."
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They're probably shorthanded, so they're reluctant to get rid of anybody unless they absolutely have to. There's a worker shortage in every industry right now and that's especially true for that line of work where you're not paid much but you have to deal with unsavory people.
 
hollydolly said:
I didn't say they were Police officers.......but prison guards... prisonron warde..or prison officers whatever anyone calls them..... are just as liable to keep the peace as a police officers ..
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NY law classifies correctional officers as "Peace Officers". I looked up Powers And Duties and although the classifications differ, as far as the topic is concerned, you are correct.
 
HermitHogan said:
They're probably shorthanded, so they're reluctant to get rid of anybody unless they absolutely have to. There's a worker shortage in every industry right now and that's especially true for that line of work where you're not paid much but you have to deal with unsavory people.
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actually the average salary for a prison officer in NYS..is over $62,000 dollars per year .. and that's bound to come with all sorts of additions , medial etc...

What's more likely to be the reason is that they've done this on numerous occasions and never even caught or Indicted for it...
 
hollydolly said:
Nathan, you're an ex prison officer aren't you...?.. if anyone can go any way to explaining anything like this it might be you... have you ever seen anything like happen when you were a officer ?
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I was never a Sheriff's Deputy or Correctional officer, in both positions with the respective agencies I was a Correctional Maintenance Mechanic. Beatings did happen in the jails and prisons, unprofessional to say the least. Such violence against incarcerated(under color of authority) is officially not condoned, but it happens. I'm aware of several instances where custody staff engaged in torture. Falsifying incident reports happened, but in many cases the truth could be uncovered. There were some in-custody inmate deaths, not uncommon. I don't recall any in-custody deaths attributed to the actions of staff.

Most improper staff conduct is kept hush hush, and the culture and workplace environment in corrections & detentions facilities actively promotes secrecy.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
No they are not "just as liable to keep the peace as a police officer".
The educational levels, not standards are not as high to become a correctional institution guards.
They are also paid less than police officers, by quite a large amount, therefore the quality of the personnel isn't as good as police officers.

I also have a problem when this sort of behavior is attributed to cops.

Not all cops are bad; not all prison guards are bad.

It is bad to become part of a mob mentality in either direction.
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of course they are as liable to keep the peace as a police officer the only diference is the environment... they are there to keep the peace amongst convicted people behind prison walls ... whereas Police are there to keep the peace among largely unconvicted people outside of prison walls....
 
againstthegrain said:
Somehow those 99% of "good people" never intervene to get rid of the 1%. Why is that?

If the "good people" don't intervene to stop abuse and tolerate corruption are they still "good people"?
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They do, but that doesn't serve the purpose of the likes of Leticia James. About 1% of the positive things LEOs do is presented; and 100% of ANYTHING that makes them scapegoats.

You are CLEARLY bigoted as Leticia James. You constantly ATTACK police officers on this site. She is apparently just more specific: white police officers, and white males, are her target. Anyone who doesn't agree with her LOUD MOUTH behaviors. She has been brought up on unethical behaviors more than once, and things are still pending on much of the issues of her unethical behaviors while holding an elected office.

And she released THIS video clearly to push her bigoted agenda against the white man and cops, even though later in the film she tries to cover her a$$ by saying BS....about how she debated whether to release this or not...in the interest of the public. That is pure horse hockey: it wasn't in the interest of the public or a fair trial, either, for these men! She is doing a PUBLIC HANGING and not following the rules of law!

Did you notice her film was carefully edited? That the film of the officers was carefully edited so out of 14 guards being disciplined it shows only five. And ALL five are white male guards, how convenient? Where are the black guards, the female guards?

The beating makes me sick, the release of the video by a public official - in a position of trust - one who is a bigot makes me sick. She is a disgusting human being: same as the officers.
 
hollydolly said:
of course they are as liable to keep the peace as a police officer the only diference is the environment... they are there to keep the peace amongst convicted peple behid prison walls ... whereas Police are there to keep the peace among largely unconvicted people outside of prison walls....
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You don't get what I am trying to explain. They are not PEACE officers, as a LEO is.

They are keepers of mostly animals, people who cannot manage in larger society. Yes, a harsh way to put it, but I have seen how a prison operates and watched what goes on in them.

The whole prison system is evidence of what happens to both some keepers and some keepees.

This behavior is terrible, I agree. They should tried and be prosecuted: in a court of law. Not in a mob mentality.
 
IS it FAIR for the Attorney General to release a tape, before these men even HAD a lawyer to protect THEIR rights? They are innocent until proven guilty. She can use that tape all she wants for prosecuting IN court; but for HER, the ELECTED prosecuting authority, to release it before they even have been charged is just WRONG.

What if it was YOU?? I know, none of us on here would ever beat someone to death...but do you understand my POINT?

HER position of TRUST is that she give UNBIASED protection to ALL persons! What if this was YOU and an ATTORNEY GENERAL released this tape of your son, you or someone who EVEN could be mentally broken?

WHO the heck KNOWS now what exactly happened?

Leticia James is a bigoted idiot and the NY Senate should impeach her for malversation.
 
hollydolly said:
NO but I have family members who have been police officers, and also in the army who served in Northern Ireland and Afghanistan...

Don't start attacking me..you've been here 3 weeks, about time you learned the rules of this forum..
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What, that I am just supposed to take it and shut the heck up? Teach me. I meant the post for Against the Grain. Teach me how not to be dyslexic so I can read rearrange words better. LOLOLO
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
What, that I am just supposed to take it and shut the heck up? Teach me.
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Take what ?.. people have been killed ...unarmed people.... and all you can do is attack the Attorney general... damanding that they be thought of as innocent despite the overwhelming proof to the public that they're guilty... ... you need to have a long look at youself your attitude stinks ..and it's not welcome here..

You're going on my ignore list ... this forum is clearly not suited to you... rant away no-one's going to be listening
 
hollydolly said:
Take what ?.. people have been killed ...unarmed people.... and all you can do is attack the Attorney general... damanding that they be thought of as innocent despite the overwhelming proof to the public that they're guilty... ... you need to have a long look at youself your attitude stinks ..and it's not welcome here..

You're going on my ignore list ... this forum is clearly not suited to you... rant away no-one's going to be listening
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I was trying to answer to "A", that post was imbedded into your post, I think.

I said many times, I thought this act was terrible! But, I also looked at other things in the film and the circumstance, too. And just am not blindly looking, but analyzing the "why".

In the US the first phrase IS: "Innocent until proven guilty"!
Am an AMERICAN...what can I say?? LOL

What fascinates me is that you now put me on an ignore mode when you don't LIKE what I say! How do you KNOW what my attitude IS without seeing me or knowing me, watching me? I read words, but I don't see attitude as that is a subjective term, not an OBJECTIVE trait.

Do you keep a score card I don't know about?
 
anyone see louis theroux visiting hard core prisons in usa and interviewing everyone - they must have keep it clean and sanitized for him - didn't hear a bubble or squeak ? - he tries to show the real real thing - but sometimes doesn't seem to come out like we really know??
 
smiley said:
anyone see louis theroux visiting hard core prisons in usa and interviewing everyone - they must have keep it clean and sanitized for him - didn't hear a bubble or squeak ? - he tries to show the real real thing - but sometimes doesn't seem to come out like we really know??
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yes I watched it... also did you see the similar ones with trevor McDonald ? they were even more sanitised
 
feels like we are attempting to be judge; jury and executioners all in one. Louis Theroux went about his investigations and filming in the correct manner and with permission from the authorities at the highest level? - this doesn't seem to be the case in this current debate. Illegalities have already occurred before any court appearance at all. Feels like an old style USA lynching to me? - I thought these were finally banned?
 
smiley said:
feels like we are attempting to be judge; jury and executioners all in one. Louis Theroux went about his investigations and filming in the correct manner and with permission from the authorities at the highest level? - this doesn't seem to be the case in this current debate. Illegalities have already occurred before any court appearance at all. Feels like an old style USA lynching to me? - I thought these were finally banned?
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the proof is in the video... they are clearly guilty of lyynching a man... the only thing that neds to be ascertained is why !

Louis Theroux is a lightweight documentary maker he's not a criminal investigator... he had to agree to the rules or he wouldn't have been granted filming rights..
 
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