School shooting in Madison, WI

Plus, "No pity for the majority!" sounds like a directive when I think it's probably intended as a whine. (?)
January said:
I think many of them do - but the resistance t o change by too many others, especially big organisations, prevents any change from happening.

and so these events continue on and on :(
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I think the NRA works tirelessly to keep Americans thinking they must have guns to protect themselves and their homes. They keep facts that show a gun in the home increases the risk of death away by searching out the rare instances when a man saved his family by having a gun and printing it over and over.

We are now living in the Idiocracy and have been for some time, where we think truth lies in catchy phrases. O.J. Simpson got off because his lawyer came up with, "If the glove doesn't fit you must acquit." Ignoring what we all know, that it's impossible to get any glove over a stiffly held hand.

The NRA pushed the simplistic phrase, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people," and it was accepted as a great truth when it really has little to do with the fact that guns (unlike cars and knives) have no essential use in our society for the average citizen and will greatly reduce mass murders if we ban them. But that isn't catchy at all.
 

Lawrence00 said:
A general response. Not directed to quoted post.

The human is often, very often, a defective monkey brain machine.

It is not the same as the spirit, which is typically not evil.

This is a war planet. Always has been.

Everything else is pretend, and an effort of what is good in life, to uplift and perpetuate the good.

The lion starts eating the antelope before it even has a chance to die. The hyenas do the same to the lion. The humans kill the cow first.

Retired cops, would gladly work for little pay to be stationed in every schoolhouse in America, with guns. So would moms. And dads. And Grandmas. But the pretense continues.

February 7th, 2008, I was in the pizza restaurant, in Kirkwood, Missouri, when the mass murderer killed the first cop. If I had arrived five minutes later, I would have been in that very small parking lot also.

The killer had a protest sign, he was well known. He was mad about tickets and perceived business injustices. The cop would have never seen the kill shot coming. I think it was 9mm to the head. Then to my memory he unholstered and took the cops gun.

He then walked a very short distance to a city meeting and killed 6 more and injured others.

This post is already long. We do live on a war planet. Humans needs to stop pretending it's a pretty Disney story.
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If I remember correctly, the first Officer was killed with a .44 revolver. I have read your post a number of times and keep trying to figure out what your point is or if you are just making statements based on your own opinions. I think the latter is more correct.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Well..she didn't raise herself.
Parents divorce and everyone says don't worry "kids are resilient".
Kids can take only so much.
Parents divorcing too easily is part of the problem today.
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I agree with that 100% and will forever be angry at the conventional wisdom spread widely in movies, books, and magazines in the 1970's.
It told us that if we handled it calmly and assured the child that it wasn't his fault, then the child would not only adjust but be happier because we were happier. Total crap. It shakes their very foundation and changes them forever.

I fell for that crap myself and sought my own happiness at my child's expense, something I'll regret forever. I divorced my husband in 1978 and Newsweek magazine came out with a huge cover story about the effects of divorce on children in 1979. I swear if I had seen that the year before I never would have made such a huge mistake.

{I'm not talking about people in abusive situations.}
 
Della said:
I think the NRA works tirelessly to keep Americans thinking they must have guns to protect themselves and their homes. They keep facts that show a gun in the home increases the risk of death away by searching out the rare instances when a man saved his family by having a gun and printing it over and over.

The NRA pushed the simplistic phrase, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
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Simplistic is to believe yet more gun regulations will make society safer.
Obviously we should ban trucks.
And Boeing 767s.

Solve America's problem which is OBVIOUSLY declining mental health and national security.
But wait: That takes "thinking complexly".
A bandaid fix such as more gun restrictions won't fix America's mental health and national security issue.
 
Della said:
{I'm not talking about people in abusive situations.}
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Me either. Am sorry you too were brainwashed to just "throw away the marriage" instead of keeping it long enough and grow within it to realize you can't swap one problem for another.

Half the time the problem in a marriage is yourself; two people working both on their marriage as well as their OWN self development is the key.

Been there, done that more than once and learned the hard way and still am watching the effects unfold with my kids. Thankfully they didn't turn their pain on to society but on to me.

And my divorce from their father WAS abuse caused.
 
/ Controversial

These incidents happen every single year. They will happen this year, next year, and the year after. Why does it keep making headlines? Every single year there is more than incident. It is a consequence of the gun laws and societal decay. So why not just shrug your shoulders and accept?

/Controversial Off
 
911 said:
If I remember correctly, the first Officer was killed with a .44 revolver. I have read your post a number of times and keep trying to figure out what your point is or if you are just making statements based on your own opinions. I think the latter is more correct.
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My main point is that the USA is that dangerous, always will be, and the children should be especially protected.
 
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CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Simplistic is to believe yet more gun regulations will make society safer.
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Unfortunately, using slogans, and catchphrases like
"Obviously we should ban trucks. And Boeing 767s" minimizes the issue, as if these phrases were anything more than false equivalencies. We don't have a Boeing 767 problem, or a truck problem. Nor do we have enough good people with guns to stop bad people with guns.
What we do have is solid empirical evidence that countries with less guns and stronger regulation see less gun violence, by far, it's not even close.
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Rich said:
What we do have is solid empirical evidence that countries with less guns and stronger regulation see less gun violence, by far, it's not even close.
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First, statistics will never be able to compare the US with any other country when it comes to social issues, gun deaths, or health/disease control issues. False equivalency in many factors. BTW: Gun ownership in Finland isn't due only to history of hunting tradition, everyone owns a gun as they participate in the defense of their country. They don't have shootings because THEY treat guns as normal and necessary.

The US needs to focus on their social issues, gun death issues are just a symptom of the larger problem (to name just two: social chaos and zero clear leadership) no one wants to address.
 
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Della said:
I agree with that 100% and will forever be angry at the conventional wisdom spread widely in movies, books, and magazines in the 1970's.
It told us that if we handled it calmly and assured the child that it wasn't his fault, then the child would not only adjust but be happier because we were happier. Total crap. It shakes their very foundation and changes them forever.

I fell for that crap myself and sought my own happiness at my child's expense, something I'll regret forever. I divorced my husband in 1978 and Newsweek magazine came out with a huge cover story about the effects of divorce on children in 1979. I swear if I had seen that the year before I never would have made such a huge mistake.

{I'm not talking about people in abusive situations.}
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I feel exactly the same but doubly as I have 2 kids. They suffered from my divorce.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
First, statistics will never be able to compare the US with any other country when it comes to social issues, gun deaths, or health/disease control issues. False equivalency in many factors. BTW: Gun ownership in Finland isn't due only to history of hunting tradition, everyone owns a gun as they participate in the defense of their country. They don't have shootings because THEY treat guns as normal and necessary.

The US needs to focus on their social issues, gun death issues are just a symptom of the larger problem (to name just two: social chaos and zero clear leadership) no one wants to address.
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I don’t completely disagree with your point about the root cause. My perspective is that if we have a population so angry that mass shootings, road rage incidents, and shootings over trivial matters are happening regularly, we’d likely be much safer with stricter gun regulations and limited access. It seems counterintuitive to loosen gun control—like the trend we’re seeing in the South with concealed carry permits no longer being required and open carry becoming more common—if we’re not also addressing the deeper social issues you mentioned. Unfortunately, it seems that lawmakers are less concerned with the needs of the public these days.
 
I have a gun in my home to use for protection in the event someone breaks in and I don't have enough time to call 911. I do not carry it in my car or public places. It makes me very uncomfortable to see someone at Walmart carrying a gun openly - and I do see that in my community. I don't know anything about the mental stability of those people, or if a simple argument could prompt them to start shooting.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
I have a gun in my home to use for protection in the event someone breaks in and I don't have enough time to call 911. I do not carry it in my car or public places. It makes me very uncomfortable to see someone at Walmart carrying a gun openly - and I do see that in my community. I don't know anything about the mental stability of those people, or if a simple argument could prompt them to start shooting.
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I completely agree—our approach to gun policy is heading in the wrong direction. It seems that lawmakers believe arming everyone will deter people from shooting first, but I have serious doubts that this assumption is accurate.
 
Rich said:
I completely agree—our approach to gun policy is heading in the wrong direction. It seems that lawmakers believe arming everyone will deter people from shooting first, but I have serious doubts that this assumption is accurate.
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Car hijackings in DC:
The District of Columbia had the highest rate of carjackings in the United States in 2023, with 142.8 carjackings per 100,000 people. Other cities with high carjacking rates include:
Baltimore: 101.9 carjackings in 2023
Memphis, Tennessee: 58.3 carjackings in 2023
Chicago: 115.7% increase in carjackings since 2019
Los Angeles: 77.9% increase in carjackings since 2019
San Francisco: 70% increase in carjackings since 2019
Denver: 61.7% increase in carjackings since 2019

The people doing the hijacking? 90% would not qualify for a gun, the law does not allow them to buy one. But they will use one to hijack.
 
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Rich said:
I don’t completely disagree with your point about the root cause. My perspective is that if we have a population so angry that mass shootings, road rage incidents, and shootings over trivial matters are happening regularly, we’d likely be much safer with stricter gun regulations and limited access. It seems counterintuitive to loosen gun control—like the trend we’re seeing in the South with concealed carry permits no longer being required and open carry becoming more common—if we’re not also addressing the deeper social issues you mentioned. Unfortunately, it seems that lawmakers are less concerned with the needs of the public these days.
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Intelligent gun carrying people rarely open carry EVEN with a permit to do so. Guns make non-gun friendly folks panic, so we just don't open carry.

We get the open carry permit SO we can intervene in a situation quickly defusing something dangerous to others, and not get fined for having an open and obvious weapon in public or for "brandishing" a weapon in public.
 
What really hurts me is if I carry in DC and try to defend myself from getting carjacked, I lose my gun. ME. For defending myself. The carjacker just goes and steals another gun. I say if carjackers know DC car drivers may just be armed, they would stop doing this crap. But DC has one of the strictest laws in the US. Go figure. "Lose my gun" meaning the POLICE take it because it is illegal in DC to use my open carry permit there)
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Intelligent gun carrying people rarely open carry EVEN with a permit to do so. Guns make non-gun friendly folks panic, so we just don't open carry.

We get the open carry permit SO we can intervene in a situation quickly defusing something dangerous to others, and not get fined for having an open and obvious weapon in public or for "brandishing" a weapon in public.
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Apparently you haven't been to Texas.
 
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