School shooting in Madison, WI

papa tiger said:
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I didn't see that but with the Shot fired at the range the father did supply the firearm to the teen, one way or another.
A kid 15 year cannot do that with not having the firearm training. They have to go through that training. The Parent has to be there!

Wisconsin has no laws banning ownership. No permits or Licenses. 18 / 21 YEARS OF AGE IS ALL & Background checks.

So its all about trickery!
The Father most likely should get jail time. / This crap is gonna stop! No more F head kids killing sprees.

Parents' knowledge / guidance helping them deal with whatever hate / bulling whether it is students or teachers is a must have.

Heck ya have constant bulling on the forums. Its CB language actually. It never ends,
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You do not have teenagers around? They are extremely resourceful when they want to be.
 
gruntlabor said:
I can only look at these tragedies in awe and disbelief! As much as I hate to see politics dragged into the picture and put to use, I believe Tazx is 100% right on.
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Agree.
Hopefully, whatever is causing these teens, young adults offing others, will be figured out and the sooner the better.
I prefer sooner, before the US Govt takes away MY personal right to protect myself however, with whatever, I deem necessary?

Am not good with a knife and have short arms and the older I am the slower I seem to be able to run and hide.
 
Once again, it's 2 out of a million. No need to keep an AR-15 by the door to protect yourselves from teens.
Twostep said:
All this gun discussion. It took no gun in France, Germany, Croatia lately.
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Nope, but it did take guns in all the school shootings and that's what we're talking about.
 
And while you do get random killings with knives etc these do not have same outcome of so many people killed so quickly and easily as with a gun.
 
Della said:
I guess I'm the only one that finds the father rather good looking. He reminds me a little of Donald Sutherland when he was young. Of course the dog on his shoulder makes me think he's not all that bad. Maybe we'll find out more about him and the family dynamic in time.

What ever those parents did wrong, they're suffering the worst punishment on earth right now.
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Perhaps not as bad as the parents of the dead children.
 
Rich said:
Perhaps not as bad as the parents of the dead children.
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Worse than those other parents, I would say. They not only have the same grief over losing their child, but the horrible load of guilt and self questioning, over whether or not it might be due to something they did or failed to do.
January said:
And while you do get random killings with knives etc these do not have same outcome of so many people killed so quickly and easily as with a gun.
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Absolutely. The death toll in Germany from the man who ran his car into a crowd is currently 5. In the Las Vegas shooting in 2017 Stephen Paddock fired more than 1,000 rounds, killing 60 people and wounding at least 413.
 
Della said:
Once again, it's 2 out of a million. No need to keep an AR-15 by the door to protect yourselves from teens.

Nope, but it did take guns in all the school shootings and that's what we're talking about.
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It took a PERSON to pull the trigger. It is young people going insane due to a no boundaries culture.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
When I read a different, earlier thread I wondered if you were a State Trooper when I saw you use the word "barracks".

Have two State Troopers in my family (MD); one Sheriff of a county in MD, one LEO son presently with a PD in Colorado. The job is one that not enough people appreciate. You all see it all and sometimes I wonder how one deals with it.

Cannot even imagine the horrifyingly surreal situation of being the second at such a scene with those little girls.

Am sorry you had to experience such. BIG hug.
You have my deepest respect for what you all go through (have been through) being our protectors from all sorts of hell.
Ya'll are all sheepdogs.
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I investigated over 29 vehicle accidents, 12 of them where people, including children were killed. I'm trying not to compare a school shooting with a traffic accident, but when you see an unknown number of dead little girls at that time, it just makes you want to sit down somewhere and cry, but in this case, I had a job to do and I had to "keep it together." I did end up going to my doctors and getting something to help me relax, so that I could fall asleep.

I don't know what possess kids wanting to take guns to school and kill their classmates and teachers. Most people want to blame it on something, but what or who? I don't have any answers. There was no doubt in this case that the shooter, Charles Roberts, who was an adult and had no known connection to the school on that day was mentally ill.
 
Della said:
Worse than those other parents, I would say. They not only have the same grief over losing their child, but the horrible load of guilt and self questioning, over whether or not it might be due to something they did or failed to do.
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Her father. I've seen his face before, but on other men. The biggest thing he ever questioned was whether to buy Old Milwaukee or Bud.

I know how this sounds, but I also know of whom I speak.
 
The wall of silence on this continues to be deafening.

All I've seen that is new and official is that the weapon was legally purchased, but they refuse to say who purchased it.

Nothing released on motivation, the "manifesto containing radical and hateful views," or the contents of her correspondence with some guy "plotting his own attack."
 
911 said:
Each time I read about a school shooting, I get a flashback to the shooting here in PA in a small Amish town called West Nickel Mine. On that day, 11 little girls were shot with 5 being killed of which, 2 were sisters. It was a terrible day.

I was the second Trooper on the scene. The other Trooper and I Iwere getting ready to enter the school when the last bullet was fired, which turned out to be the killer shooting himself. I never seen so many frightened little girls. Many of them were crying.

The boys had all been sent outside and the shooter only wanted the girls to remain in the building. It’s hard to believe that it has been 18 years ago since the day of the shootings.

I helped wheel the little girls out to the ambulances while on the gurneys. Since that day, the school has been destroyed and a new school has been built at an unknown location, except for first responders.
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A general response. Not directed to quoted post.

The human is often, very often, a defective monkey brain machine.

It is not the same as the spirit, which is typically not evil.

This is a war planet. Always has been.

Everything else is pretend, and an effort of what is good in life, to uplift and perpetuate the good.

The lion starts eating the antelope before it even has a chance to die. The hyenas do the same to the lion. The humans kill the cow first.

Retired cops, would gladly work for little pay to be stationed in every schoolhouse in America, with guns. So would moms. And dads. And Grandmas. But the pretense continues.

February 7th, 2008, I was in the pizza restaurant, in Kirkwood, Missouri, when the mass murderer killed the first cop. If I had arrived five minutes later, I would have been in that very small parking lot also.

The killer had a protest sign, he was well known. He was mad about tickets and perceived business injustices. The cop would have never seen the kill shot coming. I think it was 9mm to the head. Then to my memory he unholstered and took the cops gun.

He then walked a very short distance to a city meeting and killed 6 more and injured others.

This post is already long. We do live on a war planet. Humans needs to stop pretending it's a pretty Disney story.
 
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Tazx said:
Sorry, but it is not 70 percent that is fine. Its 70 percent that don't care.
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You are making a big assumption in those two sentences. Australia had a national plebiscite on same sex marriage in 2017 and it was passed 61.6 per cent in favour of marriage equality while 38.4 per cent voted no.
I hardly think that the 61.6% voting yes didn't care either way. Voting in Australia is mandatory, so it isn't like there were millions of people who chose not to vote because they didn't care one way or the other.
 
Warrigal said:
You are making a big assumption in those two sentences. Australia had a national plebiscite on same sex marriage in 2017 and it was passed 61.6 per cent in favour of marriage equality while 38.4 per cent voted no.
I hardly think that the 61.6% voting yes didn't care either way. Voting in Australia is mandatory, so it isn't like there were millions of people who chose not to vote because they didn't care one way or the other.
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I just read about that. They feed you to the gators if you don't vote.
 
CallMeKate said:
KMFDM is an acronym for the German phrase Kein Mehrheit Für Die Mitleid, which translates to "no pity for the majority". @Naturally
@George1959 , please correct me if I'm wrong on that.
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Kate, in fact "Kein Mehrheit Für Die Mitleid" is the explanation on Wikipedia for the acronym KMDFM. But this is a weird sentence in German. If I translate it literally it is "No Majority For The Pity". No pity for the majority, as you translated it, sounds much better, but they didn't use the acronym in this way. And the whole sentence in "Kein Mehrheit Für Die Mitleid" is wrong gramatically. It must be "Keine Mehrheit Für Das Mitleid", since Mehrheit (majority) is female and Mitleid (pity) is neuter im German.
I am sorry for my late answer, but I didn't follow the thread for some days.
 

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