Do you think we will always have poor people?

Elsie said:
Yeah, I've seen grocery carts of food stamp recipients filled with many steaks. How they can afforrd food for the rest of the month? I've no idea.
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Depending on location there are services many here may not even have heard of from grocery boxes, free lunches for all age groups, clothes, hair cuts, yoga, gym to you name it. I have a friend on about 2k SS, she could all into any salon or school but keeps it at additional benefits level. Right now she is complaining that Medicaid will only pay for two tooth imp!ants not three as there never was a third tooth.
 

There will always be those on the bottom of the economic pyramid. They will always suffer from lack of food, untreated medical conditions and lack of shelter. The only solution I can see is to offer all citizens government funded doctor assisted suicide for any reason they deem necessary.
 
Mitch86 said:
There will always be those on the bottom of the economic pyramid. They will always suffer from lack of food, untreated medical conditions and lack of shelter. The only solution I can see is to offer all citizens government funded doctor assisted suicide for any reason they deem necessary.
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You are joking, right ?
 
Poor and hungry are top tier motivators.
There will always be poor people; poor in a lot more than monetary terms.
Hungry people, not so much.
 
OregonGuy said:
does "afflicted" mean it is acquired as a trait one is born with or is it acquired after birth?
either way is there a "cure" or is it like other addictions like alcoholism or drugs?
if its an addiction is it a sin when a person cannot resist it ?
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Thinking @Elsie may mean "afflicted" as in genetic roll of the dice.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
I don't think we DO have many kids or adults "going hungry".
It has been a long, long time since I has seen a hungry looking child!
Just the opposite: fat kids and fat adults everywhere.

My husband has relatives on Food Stamps: the kids are ENORMOUS and the culture of hold out your hand for the next free meal is rampant!
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One of the problems in our area are people that use the SNAP card, which took the place of food stamps, to purchase their food. Many of them buy a lot of high calorie foods and they do even more for their kids. The card is a great enabler for buying “junk” food.

SNAP = Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. Paid for by the Federal Government, but administered by the State Government.
 
911 said:
One of the problems in our area are people that use the SNAP card, which took the place of food stamps, to purchase their food. Many of them buy a lot of high calorie foods and they do even more for their kids. The card is a great enabler for buying “junk” food.

SNAP = Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. Paid for by the Federal Government, but administered by the State Government.
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Agree.

Why not restrict food to basic staples? I have no clue!
Milk, flour, fruit, veggies, two cereals (Cheerios and oatmeal)...etc, potatoes, soups, bread, cheese, eggs, rice.

A kid won't die without Pop-Tarts and corn syrup laden processed food.
 
Wealth can largely be attributed to intelligence.
chic said:
Sadly, I think we will always have poverty with us.
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There is ample evidence that poverty and intelligence are directly related. However there is ongoing research into the likelihood that genetic manipulation of the embryo can eliminate genetic disease and significantly improve intelligence. When will this be commonly and successfully applied? Hard to say, but the next century or two may see significant progress, and reduction in poverty.
 
ElCastor said:
Wealth can largely be attributed to intelligence.
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Sometimes wealth is a matter of luck.

ElCastor said:
There is ample evidence that poverty and intelligence are directly related. However there is ongoing research into the likelihood that genetic manipulation of the embryo can eliminate genetic disease and significantly improve intelligence. When will this be commonly and successfully applied? Hard to say, but the next century or two may see significant progress, and reduction in poverty.
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It's pure fiction that there's a small group of the world's richest, most powerful corporate elites preventing that kind of progress so they never run out of grunt-workers and other country's resources....or is it? :devilish::alien:

When @Olivia said "rich and poor statuses are always in comparison to others", I think she meant that no matter how much the bottom tier people have, they will always be considered poor when compared to the people at the top.

I agree with her. And I think it's likely there will always be a "1%".

The poorest of us in America and other developed countries have more now compared to the poorest at any time in our histories, and more compared the poorest in underdeveloped countries.

That's primarily because people in developed countries pay some form of tax that funds services for even our most destitute. Also, some of the world's wealthiest countries fund services for the destitute in underdeveloped countries, as well as people made destitute by natural disasters, war, and other geopolitical and civil disasters.
 
You all fail to consider that all people do not think the same or have the ability to understand the same. The IQ test provides some understanding but the fact is that all people do not think or understand like you! Repeat after me, "all people do not understand or think like you".
How fortunate we are to have the ability to deal with our problems. How fortunate are we to be born into loving families. How fortunate are we to have received the genes that allow us to comprehend, and work out our problems.
Ironically God speaks to all. "come to me as children" (Matthew 18.3).
In other words, regardless of IQ God accepts us all, but you don't need superior intelligent s to reach God. Just Davids heart. My sin is against you Lord and I am sorry.
So when you decide who is lazy, who is a drug addict. When you decide, or determine who grew up in a dysfunctional family and suffered the pain of abuse and neglect. When you meet these people in the supper market and see their tattoos and sterotype them. When you determine that you have all the answers.
Lets have a further discussion. Otherwise, your world has blinders on it.
Best to not comment since you will never convince me and I will never change your way of thinking.
God is in control. Rev 11, 15
 
rbtvgo said:
You all fail to consider that all people do not think the same or have the ability to understand the same. The IQ test provides some understanding but the fact is that all people do not think or understand like you! Repeat after me, "all people do not understand or think like you".
How fortunate we are to have the ability to deal with our problems. How fortunate are we to be born into loving families. How fortunate are we to have received the genes that allow us to comprehend, and work out our problems.
Ironically God speaks to all. "come to me as children" (Matthew 18.3).
In other words, regardless of IQ God accepts us all, but you don't need superior intelligent s to reach God. Just Davids heart. My sin is against you Lord and I am sorry.
So when you decide who is lazy, who is a drug addict. When you decide, or determine who grew up in a dysfunctional family and suffered the pain of abuse and neglect. When you meet these people in the supper market and see their tattoos and sterotype them. When you determine that you have all the answers.
Lets have a further discussion. Otherwise, your world has blinders on it.
Best to not comment since you will never convince me and I will never change your way of thinking.
God is in control. Rev 11,
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The problem is since we are all human and a creation of God we have only what information our creator gave us to work with. Hence there is virtually no one on earth that can make the decision about life or death.
There is no human on this earth that can decide the fate of another.
It has been tried in the past and the history books are full of what transpired. Like it or not, agree, or don't, but God is in charge and decides. That's it!
I have my thoughts about all of this. Once read a poster in Vietnam that said "kill them all and let God sort it out"
Stuck with me but there was so many other concerns and thoughts that I remembered it and moved on.
Yeah, I would like a lot of evil to go away. I would like to not read stories about abuse to humans and animals. I get angry, and the anger hurts. WHY would you do this to another. Why would you hurt, maim or kill another?????????????
My only solace is that God is in charge and all I can do is help or offer comfort and wait on the Lord.
There is no human answer. No one knows. No one has the inside track. No one has the exclusive connection to God.
Meanwhile we do our best to do the best we can to help those in need, animals abandoned and the homeless.
AND WAIT WAIT ON THE LORD.
 
Elsie said:
"Poverty" meaning living without proper protective shelter, enough food, drinking water, heat, air-conditioning, furniture? Are you poor if all those needs are met? And then there is 'poverty' of dreams unfilled.
Getting back to will there always be poor people? Yeah, I think so. All you have to do to help you decide one way or the other
is to study human nature's inclination to do what's best for oneself first. .........nevermind blaming government leaders alone for it.
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is a waste of time. The gov doesn't know and neither does anyone else.
 
ElCastor said:
Wealth can largely be attributed to intelligence.

There is ample evidence that poverty and intelligence are directly related. However there is ongoing research into the likelihood that genetic manipulation of the embryo can eliminate genetic disease and significantly improve intelligence. When will this be commonly and successfully applied? Hard to say, but the next century or two may see significant progress, and reduction in poverty.
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By far, the largest determinant of whether or not you'll be wealthy is the socioeconomic status in which you were born and raised. If you were born to wealthy parents, you stand a good chance of thriving economically. If you were born into poverty, you're likely to live a life of poverty.

Poverty creates all sorts of problems beyond just not having a nice place to live. There's all the stress associated with financial instability, and with stress comes impediments to healthy intellectual growth of the children. Child abuse is far more prevalent in impoverished families, and their neighborhoods are often dangerous, which contributes to stress.

Children raised in poverty are generally unlikely to go on to higher education; many of them don't get a proper foundation that would allow them to thrive in college even if they wanted to go. Schools in poor neighborhoods are terrible.

So the answer isn't in trying to make people smarter; it's in trying to eliminate poverty and making people's lives more stable.
 
the problem in this logic is fundamental.
Basically, you don't appreciate what was handed to you for free. You don't get it and never will.
Their response to any attempt to make them understand would be something along these lines............... "Isn't this the way life is for everyone"???
The problem is not solved by money or programs for that matter.
Least we forget, we fought for our independence. We know the cost. I will also bring up Vietnam where I served. They fought for their independence. They won it at terrible cost but they won .
Good for them and I mean that sincerely. I grieve the lose of friends. I grieve the damage done to those who survived.
They fought for what they wanted.
Same applies to the poor. Some will rise up. Some will not. Those who do will fight harder then we every did to get somewhere. We see the results of this everyday in our country. That is why we are differnt.
In the mean time we help where we can, love our neighbor as ourself as the bible says.
We will never eliminate poverty nor should we entertain the idea. We can only help, support those who are trying and offer assistence within our means to help one individual, at a time break thru.
Thats it!
No grandiose all encompassing solution. One person at a time.
bob
 
I am increasingly convinced that the problem isn't being poor as such, it's the system that dictates they're considered lesser, somehow. Our societies seem to judge "success" only in terms of money. Bringing up your children to be happy human beings doesn't count for anywhere near as much as someone having a car worth six figures, or wearing expensive watches, etc.

We don't reward people who are truly contributing to making peoples lives better at the same level as, say, we do brokers effectively gambling in the markets. Why? Because they don't generate wealth in terms of money. The wealth they generate is in well-being, and tying our society together.

You see this all the time on Social Media. Either people are flexing (whether it's reality or not), or they're living an extravagant life style. They're selling wealth as the only goal worth pursuing in life. It's a value system that can only end in misery, imo. This is evidenced by people with wealth still not being happy.

We grow up being indoctrinated into the idea of working from the earliest age possible, and a whole lot of people end up doing jobs for the money, without truly having satisfaction. The whole "it's only a job" thing. That's a shame, and eventually I fell into that trap myself. I did my job for a long time for the money, while getting little self-satisfaction.

But where would society be without 7-Elevens? How would things work if no-one was willing to work at a supermarket? What if no-one worked at fast food restaurants? Heck - working for the Police force isn't what you'd call a lucrative business for the individual - yet where would society be without them? A Private in the US military earns $27K!

This - by the way - is not a political statement by me. I just think we don't value the truly important, substituting it for financial wealth. But in reality, as a human, we need a lot more than that. And no, they don't have to be mutually exclusive - but it seems to me, they often are.
 
VaughanJB said:
I am increasingly convinced that the problem isn't being poor as such, it's the system that dictates they're considered lesser, somehow. Our societies seem to judge "success" only in terms of money. Bringing up your children to be happy human beings doesn't count for anywhere near as much as someone having a car worth six figures, or wearing expensive watches, etc.

We don't reward people who are truly contributing to making peoples lives better at the same level as we do brokers effectively gambling in the markers. Why? Because they don't generate wealth in terms of money. The wealth they generate is in well-being, and tying our society together.

You see this all the time on Social Media. Either people are flexing (whether it's reality or not), or they're living an extravagant life style. They're selling wealth as the only goal worth pursuing in life. It's a value system that can only end in misery, imo. This is evidenced by people with wealth still not being happy.

We grow up being indoctrinated into the idea of working from the earliest age possible, and a whole lot of people end up doing jobs for the money, without truly having satisfaction. The whole "it's only a job" thing. That's a shame, and eventually I fell into that trap myself. I did my job for a long time for the money, while getting little self-satisfaction.

But where would society be without 7-Elevens? How would things work if no-one was willing to work at a supermarket? What is no-one worked at fast food restaurants? Heck - working for the Police force isn't what you'd call a lucrative business for the individual - yet where would society be without them?

This - by the way - is not a political statement by me in any way. I just think we don't value the truly important, substituting it for financial wealth. But in reality, as a human, we need a lot more than that. And no, they don't have to be mutually exclusive - but it seems to me, they often are.
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Thank you for your comment. I read it and reread it. I agree with you. It effected me and I am being totally honest in my response. I believe you to be correct. I agree that we review success and rewards as some measure of superior thinking or understanding, yet that is not the case, as you have said. Success is random, sorry folks, who think themselves genius in understanding.
Doesn't work. If you received your wealth from others who worked for it, then you are a recipient. Not the one who produced it. If you worked for it then you are in a different category.
In all respects you are fortunate, but not worthy of respect and honor. Just rich.
The rest of us work, support our families and live are lives watching You Tube videos about the rich and famous. Envy them and wish it was us.
Nothing to envy, believe me. They work hard to present themselves as that which you desire most and yet their lives are anything but.
 
VaughanJB said:
I am increasingly convinced that the problem isn't being poor as such, it's the system that dictates they're considered lesser, somehow. Our societies seem to judge "success" only in terms of money. Bringing up your children to be happy human beings doesn't count for anywhere near as much as someone having a car worth six figures, or wearing expensive watches, etc.

We don't reward people who are truly contributing to making peoples lives better at the same level as, say, we do brokers effectively gambling in the markets. Why? Because they don't generate wealth in terms of money. The wealth they generate is in well-being, and tying our society together.

You see this all the time on Social Media. Either people are flexing (whether it's reality or not), or they're living an extravagant life style. They're selling wealth as the only goal worth pursuing in life. It's a value system that can only end in misery, imo. This is evidenced by people with wealth still not being happy.

We grow up being indoctrinated into the idea of working from the earliest age possible, and a whole lot of people end up doing jobs for the money, without truly having satisfaction. The whole "it's only a job" thing. That's a shame, and eventually I fell into that trap myself. I did my job for a long time for the money, while getting little self-satisfaction.

But where would society be without 7-Elevens? How would things work if no-one was willing to work at a supermarket? What if no-one worked at fast food restaurants? Heck - working for the Police force isn't what you'd call a lucrative business for the individual - yet where would society be without them? A Private in the US military earns $27K!

This - by the way - is not a political statement by me. I just think we don't value the truly important, substituting it for financial wealth. But in reality, as a human, we need a lot more than that. And no, they don't have to be mutually exclusive - but it seems to me, they often are.
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Think I got off line on responding to you.Forgive me. I agree with you. Will respond later
 
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