Do you think there are still very specific gender roles?

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I believe that the hippie movement helped us to drop many of the gender based stereotypes and divisions that seemed so important to our parents and grandparents generations.

I also believe that once you get beyond the surface, not much has really changed when it comes to the division of labor/responsibilities in most American homes.

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A slight Oops on my part.........
Some years ago when I was working in Amsterdam, I had dinner along with two American airline pilots. I commented that I had arrived on a KLM flight with an all female crew. This prompted one of the pilots to say that he wouldn't trust female pilots, to which I said that I wouldn't trust anyone who couldn't use a knife and fork.
 
Capt Lightning said:
A slight Oops on my part.........
Some years ago when I was working in Amsterdam, I had dinner along with two American airline pilots. I commented that I had arrived on a KLM flight with an all female crew. This prompted one of the pilots to say that he wouldn't trust female pilots, to which I said that I wouldn't trust anyone who couldn't use a knife and fork.
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I get it! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: I would add "or make a decent pot of tea".
 
None, I believe everyone is created equal and can do and perform any role. Men can become nurses, caregivers and homemakers, and sew clothes. Women can become welders, miners and take out the trash and clean out port a potties. There are no defined roles. People tell themselves otherwise when there is something they just don't want to do. Or feel above doing.
 
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Oldeagle66 said:
None, I believe everyone is created equal and can do and perform any role. Men can become nurses, caregivers and homemakers, and see clothes. Women can become welders, miners and take out the trash and clean out port a potties. There are no defined roles. People tell themselves otherwise when there is something they just don't want to do. Or feel above doing.[/
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That’s a nice sentiment, but reality doesn’t work that way. People have different strengths, weaknesses, and aptitudes. Believing in equal opportunity is one thing, but pretending everyone is equally suited for every role ignores reality. That kind of thinking is what leads to men like Lia Thomas competing in women’s sports, undermining fairness and the integrity of competition.
 
Capt Lightning said:
A slight Oops on my part.........
Some years ago when I was working in Amsterdam, I had dinner along with two American airline pilots. I commented that I had arrived on a KLM flight with an all female crew. This prompted one of the pilots to say that he wouldn't trust female pilots, to which I said that I wouldn't trust anyone who couldn't use a knife and fork.
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I wouldn't trust anyone who couldn't eat a fried egg without using a knife. The first time we had breakfast in an English hotel, I thought the Brits must eat steak for breakfast. It sounded like a sword fight. No wonder you folks think Americans are loud, we're just trying to hear each other over the clatter you make.

Also, you wouldn't need to use your knife to push food onto your fork if you didn't hold it upside down.

As for tea, why would we want to make a big sloppy mess on the table, just to have a cup of liquid tin can?
 
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Joey said:
A male friend of mine would always claim that he had trained as a mental health nurse ; general nurse and midwife - I never asked him to prove it
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Well, I was a Registered Nurse, who worked as a med/surgical nurse, then became a Certified Psychiatric Nurse.
Nope no midwife thing.
I worked with women most of my life, and I don't buy the helpless little female thing.
 
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I don’t know about roles, it seems somewhat negotiable.
As for gender;
when one looks down and sees what they have got, I think it is best to accept that and move on.
In other words, I think gender is usually a biological reality worked out before birth.
I have heard of a few exceptions though, mostly in goats where some goats do have a mixed gender which causes problems with fertility and milk yields.
 
Ladies ,
Plenty of men act like we do not know how to cook , clean , laundry even help with kids so you do it all . It's a con but do not tell your husbands I told you .

I did same thing for years , granted my wife filed for divorce but it was fun while it lasted .

Again , you did not hear about our scam from me as not looking for problems .
 
Out here, there's the spectrum, from traditional to quite modern. Many women are basically still the homemakers. But no one's taken aback anymore if a woman is the chief of one of the rural volunteer fire halls. Or is the principal of the local school. Or has made a considerable out-of-region reputation as a successful artist. Or knows how to use a chainsaw.

Men now frequently take a role in raising their kids, even from the very young ages.
 
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JBR said:
Out here, there's the spectrum of traditional to quite modern. Many women are basically still the homemakers. But no one's taken aback anymore if a woman is the chief of one of the rural volunteer fire halls. Or is the principal of the local school. Or has made a considerable out-of-region reputation as a successful artist. Or knows how to use a chainsaw.

Men now frequently take a role in raising their kids, even from the very young ages.
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Yes men now are better .

My neighbors are young men both married , no kids but you can see they will good fathers .
 
Alice November said:
As for gender;
when one looks down and sees what they have got, I think it is best to accept that and move on.
In other words, I think gender is usually a biological reality worked out before birth.
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I don't judge others until or unless I've walked a mile in their shoes. If people are horribly uncomfortable with their biological sex, it's no skin off anybody else's nose for them to transition to what makes them happy.

It's far better for them and their families than committing suicide.

You might want to check out the documentary "Will and Harper" (available in the US on Netflix, don't know about France). It might open your mind and increase your compassion.

I had a female classmate I knew from about age ten through adulthood. Her life was a misery until her 40s when she transitioned from female to male. His happiness index went from around zero to magical heights. Sadly, he died a few years ago from natural causes having nothing to do with his transition.
 
JBR said:
Out here, there's the spectrum of traditional to quite modern. Many women are basically still the homemakers. But no one's taken aback anymore if a woman is the chief of one of the rural volunteer fire halls. Or is the principal of the local school. Or has made a considerable out-of-region reputation as a successful artist. Or knows how to use a chainsaw.

Men now frequently take a role in raising their kids, even from the very young ages.
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Same here. Traditional roles are all but in the wastebasket these days. It works out just fine.
 
Alice November said:
My husband is busy these last two weeks doing everthing I usually do because I seriously sprained my midfoot. He is sure as good as I am at all the things and never complains. I think a lot more men now days know how to cook clean and do laundry and shop. I’m rather enjoying reading books and having a good rest.
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Out of basic need for survival and self-respect, knowing how to take care of business and not be dependent has just been a natural endeavor.
 

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