Airline mishap of the week. Near collision on a Chicago runway

dilettante said:
I'm not sure what the discussion is here, but I'm against airline mishaps.
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Probably because they're reported on more including cell phone reporters.

Although once they start having similar incidents on the same day that should raise questions Again unless more common than people think.
 
One thing is 100% certain. The NTSB and the FAA are going to be very busy for a long time to come.

I heard that a fire alarm went off on the flight deck. Whether it was real or the alarm was defective the protocol at United is for the plane to land ASAP at the nearest airport. I wasn’t able to confirm what I heard.
 
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Teacher Terry said:
Space X is now being paid to use Starlink to upgrade the FAA system. It’s a huge conflict of interest and the satellites they have put up are falling out of the sky. Verizon had the contract to upgrade and they have not been notified of any changes.
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I don't know anything about this. Thought I'd ask, who made the decision to switch the contract from Verizon to Starlink? What agency?
 
JBR said:
I don't know anything about this. Thought I'd ask, who made the decision to switch the contract from Verizon to Starlink? What agency?
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Musk and trump made the decision. Duffy who’s the head of FAA is in over his head and just does whatever he’s told. Last week space x took a group of engineers to the Virginia FAA work site. As far as Verizon is aware they still have the contract. I have been following this closely because of having my plane ticket to see a very sick friend that is terminal. Now it’s 48 hours on Amtrak if I go.
 
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Musk isn't a politician, so I think maybe I'll be allowed to pose this. Why wouldn't his decision to switch the contract to Starlink be censured as a glaring conflict of interest? Why aren't there applicable guardrails, and a civil action already against some breech of contract by now?
 
JBR said:
Musk isn't a politician, so I think maybe I'll be allowed to pose this. Why wouldn't his decision to switch the contract to Starlink be censured as a glaring conflict of interest? Why aren't there applicable guardrails, and a civil action already against some breech of contract by now?
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Those are all great questions that I don’t have an answer to.
 
WhatInThe said:
Airline mishap of the week almost had to planes colliding on a Chicago runway

Southwest jet attempting to land nearly collides with plane on Chicago Midway runway

A Southwest jet was able to perform a maneuver. It seems there might have been some miscommunication with a private jet and the control tower.
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If what is being reported that the private jet had entered the runway without permission, the pilot’s certificate may be at risk for being suspended or worse. Runway incursions are nothing new, but they are very serious infractions. We should learn more after the NTSB makes their report.
CallMeKate said:
Serious question here, @oldman ... has it always been like this with the near misses on/near runways and we're just hearing more about them now because of the recent crashes? Or is it uncommon to have so many in a short time?
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In the past, we had more incursions on the runways than on the taxiways. I have always considered any runway or taxiway incursion inexcusable. The traffic controllers (both air and ground) do an excellent job of keeping traffic spaced accordingly in order to keep planes safe. When a pilot decides to ignore protocols set by the FAA for landing and taking off, they are putting a lot of lives at risk. Maybe pilots should be given additional training and reminded to use situational awareness.

To answer your question, there definitely seems to be more mistakes than when I flew, but then again, we have more flights than we did just 15 years ago. I know that’s no excuse, but until most of our airports do some upgrading, maybe we should expect these incidents to continue. I hope not and I would imagine so does everyone else. For now, I wouldn’t hesitate to take a flight.
 
JBR said:
Musk isn't a politician, so I think maybe I'll be allowed to pose this. Why wouldn't his decision to switch the contract to Starlink be censured as a glaring conflict of interest? Why aren't there applicable guardrails, and a civil action already against some breech of contract by now?
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Good question, but it involves US politics so you must look elsewhere for the answer.
 
When I saw that video the first words out of my mouth were,
"Power coming in, Going Around.",
picturing the pilot who was doing the flying smoothly advancing the throttles.
They never touched down.
They were always at flying speed

While it looked close,
a "Go Around" is not a big deal.

Pilots practice them.

I am not lessening that it should not have happened.
 
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wisenior said:
When I saw that video the first words out of my mouth were,
"Power coming in, Going Around.",
picturing the pilot who was doing the flying smoothly advancing the throttles.
They never touched down.
They were always at flying speed

While it looked close,
a "Go Around" is not a big deal.

Pilots practice them.

I am not lessening that it should not have happened.
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It's best not to let the wheels touch down before pressing the "TOGA" button, which stands for "Take Off Go Around." Pilots are trained in simulators to TOGA by pressing the TOGA button, which then the plane will accelerate and in most cases the pilot will climb to whatever altitude is requested by the Traffic Controller. I hope this helps everyone to understand how pilots can quickly TOGA. Once the pilot begins to climb, he raises the wheels to prevent drag.

I am in a hurry right now, so I hope I didn't confuse anyone or miss anything.
 
JBR said:
I don't know anything about this. Thought I'd ask, who made the decision to switch the contract from Verizon to Starlink? What agency?
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Keeping this as just a “business” issue, you are correct. Because this deal is facing ethical and conflict of interest concerns, both politicians and competitive companies are considering filing lawsuits “if” the FAA awards the Starlink program to Musk. As of this past Friday, no legal actions against Musk for this issue has been initiated.

What’s in Musk’s favor is that many experts in the field of internet technology have stated that Space X would be a plus for the FAA’s updated communications systems because Space X uses low latency, which for the FAA would improve connections between pilots and air traffic controllers. By using low latency, several satellites would be placed in low earth orbit and this would improve the delay time and in turn would speed up the communication time between the pilots and controllers.

I don’t completely understand all the jargon, but somehow it does make sense.
 

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