Afghan commanders abuse boys and we look the other way!

Ralphy1

Ralphy1

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This practice is condoned by the U.S. as the commanders are our allies in the fight against the Taliban. Should we have to accept this?
 

Just unbelievable that our country has lost its way in this manner. Hopefully, an investigation with changes and serious consequences for those who looked the other way...
 
It is an integral part of Pashtun culture. Frequently, young boys are killed by jealous old perverted men who are rarely held accountable.The prevailing attitude amongst these paedophiles is, women are brood mares, boys are for pleasure. Some believe as many as fifty percent of Pashtun males have sexual relationships with boys ranging in age from seven to fifteen. Many boys become recruiters once they outgrow their appeal.
 
But that doesn't excuse our turning a blind eye to it for our military benefit...
 
Not at all.... but I'm gonna go out on a limb and make a prediction here... Obama will be accused of knowing and telling the military to ignore it. Just watch.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/w...-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?_r=0

It just wasn't 'tolerating' another cultural habit it happened on/near US bases and in US camps where both US and Afghanistan forces stayed. I don't think I could've let this go. Incidents cited back to 2011 but I can't believe they didn't observe this behavior much earlier in the Afghan war. I believe they were ordered to ignore unsettling cultural differences although one tends to think things like food, clothing, religion etc but not actual practices like this.
 
Appalling yes, surprising no. Just another extreme example of pragmatism over morality. What are a few boy's lives worth in the grand scheme of alliances/pr anyway? Especially uneducated Muslim boys, who will probably join the Taliban once they grow up. It isn't as if they are our children, after all.....aaaaghhh!
 
In Any part of the civilized world, these people would be considered dangerous Pedophiles. How our military and leaders can turn a "blind eye" to this kind of behavior is unbelievable.
 
new manual 2012

Although much of this goes back to the prior administration the Army for example issued a new manual around 2012 saying not to criticize or talk about Islamic or Afghanee practices like pedophilia. "taboo controversial" topics NOT to talk about included women's rights. Also told not to talk about homosexuality around Muslims. The article mentions there was an administration "policy" to "scrub" training materials critical of Islam.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/army-acknowledges-pedophilia-part-of-islam/




It's been implied that many attacks at or near bases with Muslims have been tripped by US military talk or behavior. Cited an Air Force female that got shot during a run in shorts. Women in shorts a no no in Muslim world.
 
Again, it's the same ole "why do we allow it" routine. When will we learn that is not up to us to cure every ill in the world? Who are we to attempt to change other cultures. We have people of a different culture trying to change us right now. How do we like it? Not at all is the answer. We can be revolted by behaviors like this but honestly what is our obligation in the matter? None of this in any way reflects my approval of this situation but once again I ask, are we the "moral police" of the world? Are OUR morals standards by which we should judge and be judged by?
 
AZ Jim said:
Again, it's the same ole "why do we allow it" routine. When will we learn that is not up to us to cure every ill in the world? Who are we to attempt to change other cultures. We have people of a different culture trying to change us right now. How do we like it? Not at all is the answer. We can be revolted by behaviors like this but honestly what is our obligation in the matter? None of this in any way reflects my approval of this situation but once again I ask, are we the "moral police" of the world? Are OUR morals standards by which we should judge and be judged by?
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I agree but was too chicken to say it myself.
 
AZ Jim said:
Again, it's the same ole "why do we allow it" routine. When will we learn that is not up to us to cure every ill in the world? Who are we to attempt to change other cultures. We have people of a different culture trying to change us right now. How do we like it? Not at all is the answer. We can be revolted by behaviors like this but honestly what is our obligation in the matter? None of this in any way reflects my approval of this situation but once again I ask, are we the "moral police" of the world? Are OUR morals standards by which we should judge and be judged by?
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True it's not up to us to be the world's policemen but we can 'police' who we do business with. And if one wants to do "business" with the US they need to understand in our presence, while we are there conducting business one cannot simply do what they ever they want. You might not be punished but it will be noted and might affect future business. A different culture is a two way street.
 
Sexual crimes against helpless children, often resulting in their murders should be everyone's business, just as their trafficking etc. In no way are these abominations comparable to Tea Party et al no matter how hideous their policies may be. I am amazed that anyone would see a parallel here.
 
I have to agree with you Shalimar. This is not a matter of a social custom... like burping loudly after a good meal as a compliment to the chef. These children are human beings and human rights violations like this should be the world's business.
 
Shalimar said:
Sexual crimes against helpless children, often resulting in their murders should be everyone's business, just as their trafficking etc. In no way are these abominations comparable to Tea Party et al no matter how hideous their policies may be. I am amazed that anyone would see a parallel here.
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Helping those who can't help themselves should be a priority but where is it an obligation or a practical obligation at that. In that region of the world alone we tried nation building and/or hopefully brought some western values, laws and customs with that. In this case we are there, the US & allies can influence what goes on in their presence. Once we leave unfortunately it's another story. Look at southeast Asia. Europe and the US were there for decades if not centuries and what happened when we pulled out-you get a Pol Pot and 2 MILLION bodies. It's one thing to help, assist, advise, demand, insist or consult etc it's another to take full fledged responsibility for someone else's actions.

If these Afghanee Muslims want our support or the status WE give them then we dictate the terms. And those terms would include them being charged with a crime and treated as a criminal if they do things like shoot a women running shorts or rape children in our presence on our base in our perimeter. You would hope being exposed and living under US law and custom would influence them but in reality we do not have the right to force it on them. In the global community this is what sanctions and embargoes are supposed to. But these sects/cults don't consider themselves part of the community but rather THE community.

A lot of these Muslim tribes, sects etc are like groups of junkies. All that we can do as a nation is not enable when in our presence.
 
If one has ever seen a severely abused or murdered child, statistics go out the window. If we do not seek to protect them, what possible claim to humanity do we have? These are truly crimes against humanity. I refuse to inhabit a world where this is reduced to "not our problem, let others handle it." As long as I breathe, I will speak out for children. My conscience demands it.
 
Shalimar said:
Sexual crimes against helpless children, often resulting in their murders should be everyone's business, just as their trafficking etc. In no way are these abominations comparable to Tea Party et al no matter how hideous their policies may be. I am amazed that anyone would see a parallel here.
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I didn't see that comparison where was it?
 
Shalimar said:
If one has ever seen a severely abused or murdered child, statistics go out the window. If we do not seek to protect them, what possible claim to humanity do we have? These are truly crimes against humanity. I refuse to inhabit a world where this is reduced to "not our problem, let others handle it." As long as I breathe, I will speak out for children. My conscience demands it.
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It is a crime but WHO is the world's policeman? WHO has the right to act as a policemen? Do we send in special ops teams into these countries and violate existing treaties, borders or extradition treaties & protocol? Do we risk a prolonged conflict, years of terror for many to save a few? HOW is a world policeman supposed to operate? Under who's authority? Has a world court issued a warrant for these criminals? Again all that a country and it citizens can do is control what they do and not their "allies". The only thing I can do is tell my country I do NOT want ANY dealings with these types at all-zero tolerance.
 
Where will we draw the line if we are going to police the world? You want to take on China? Read up on the human atrocities that go on there. And we are sure "doing business" with them. Do you know how much the U.S. owes them? How many businesses they own over here? My brother said they are buying up homes (for cash) right and left in the Naples FL area. And these aren't immigrants either. Go to google and type in child sexual abuse and than put in the name of any country you choose. Its not prevalent in every country but it's there in enough of them to keep you awake at night. I don't have the answer either, wish I did.
 
Linda said:
Where will we draw the line if we are going to police the world? You want to take on China? Read up on the human atrocities that go on there. And we are sure "doing business" with them. Do you know how much the U.S. owes them? How many businesses they own over here? My brother said they are buying up homes (for cash) right and left in the Naples FL area. And these aren't immigrants either. Go to google and type in child sexual abuse and than put in the name of any country you choose. Its not prevalent in every country but it's there in enough of them to keep you awake at night. I don't have the answer either, wish I did.
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Perfect example of why we should not try to police the world or the world should not try to police us. BUT we can chose with WHO and HOW we do business. And need to remind others that cultural differences and tolerance are a two way street. Doing what wants as an individual IS different than what one physically does to others. If that statement is an intolerable cultural difference or disrespect then have a fracking nice day.
 
A US soldier who tried to defend one of the abused boys even being taunted by the Afghanee pedophile has lost appeal to stay in the Army.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...fghan-rapist-nope-you-cant-come-back-n2055822

Yet the administration and Army issued manuals that included ignoring cultural differences.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2012/12/new-army-manual-orders-soldiers-not-to-criticize-taliban/

And the still denies there was "a policy" to ignore child abuse, "there never was"

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...nt-told-to-ignore-sexual-abuse-of-afghan.html

After the administration told all government materials couldn't refer to Muslims as terrorists and had to be sensitive to their culture.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2012/02/u-s-bans-linking-terrorism-to-muslims-in-agent-training/


So where did the reporting vs the ignoring of child abuse get lost in the translation.

NOW...Afghanistan says they will crack down on child abusers.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/a...uman-child-abuse-after-new-york-times-n432741

But that's basically an admission there is/was a problem. But look at WHO gets blamed for US policy & practice.
 

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