Are social media and paranoid parenting the reason the young are suffering?

MarkD

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Jonathon Haidt wrote the best book on morality I ever read, The Righteous Mind. But I hadn't following or read anything else by him so I was surprised to see this video about his 2024 book The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness. My own niece was diagnosed with Social Anxiety Disorder and finished much of high school through home schooling. When you think about our own childhoods it is clear that all the time we had for unstructured play helped us become resilient but that is what youth today is missing out on. Little opportunity to take risks (other than talking to strange men anywhere in the world on Tik-Tok or Instagram.

There are many TED talks and other videos on the internet which are much more thorough. But this interview from the Daily Show on Comedy Central makes a brief painless introduction which may prompt you to look further.

Here is the longer (almost an hour) version that is much more detailed.
 

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I don't know about "paranoid parenting" but Social media is a huge factor.

I'm so grateful it wasn't around when I was coming up. I was walking in San Diego canyon land alone before I started school. I think he is right that kids need an opportunity to take real risks and work things out playing with friends on their own in order to develop maturity and confidence. We all use screens but we know how to function without them too.
 

I have noticed a rather large uptake in minors at work with psych issues in the last year. I think it is due to various issues. Not just social media. Today's kids are under a lot of pressure at school and in social media and I don't think their home lives are all that great. Their parents are at work. Their home alone. Many are in abusive homes.

We have had a lot more psych adults too so I don't know what's happening. They are never without their phones and people don't talk or make eye contact much anymore. Having actual conversations with people is becoming more of a task all the time. I see parents in the rooms and they are paying more attn to their phones than they are their children.

One night this little girl wanted a hug from her mommy but she was on FB and didn't wanna be bothered. She told her to stop and go sit down. I felt sorry for the poor little thing.
 
I've watched about the first 5-6 minutes and will watch the rest later today. I may have to get the book. Because i have so many questions about how he reached his conclusions.

Firstly did he look at whether there are cultural (due to ethnicity, religion, or where the kids actually grew up) and/or economic factors, because not all families can afford the best, and generally expensive tech. Secondly i would argue tech was impacting us all long before high speed internet.

My Gen X sons pleaded for one of the early Atari game systems with 'cassettes' (that actually plugged into the power unit in much the same way flash drives did to computers later). Having read that some games good for hand eye motor co-ordination issues which they'd been diagnosed with i saved up and got it for like their 8th birthday i think. But unlike a lot of parents i had rules. Game time was earned (completing homework primarily) and not unlimited.

By the time my Millennial daughter was in 2nd grade she was being introduced to computers at school, and the boys were getting some use in school library. I did most of my late in life college papers on a word processing electric typewriter. The ease of editing was tge big draw for me. All three of kids by the time they were ten their favorite way to spend 'free time' was reading. In 6th grade school tests showed both boys were reading at master's level, when DD hit that test the school could not find a 'frustration level' for her.

However, i still encouraged interacting with nature via beach, park and with daughter after we moved to Wyoming--hiking trips. When we got a home computer time on it was limited and the computer was in living room where i might peek over her shoulder at any time, until she was 18.

As with most of life, balance is a good thing. I believe in allowing kids opportunities to learn, test their physical capabilities/limits but also their mental/emotional ones. But parents should keep eyes open, some of the 'freedoms' we enjoyed also could have put us in danger of not just getting 'hurt' but much more lethal consequences. How many cold cases 'solved' or covered because still unsolved have been told since 2000 that involve victims who were Gen X or Boomer kids who didn't come home one night when the street lights came on???

We discussed books, movies and tv shows. It was a way a could gauge their development but also interesting and enjoyable. Despite one of my boys bragging at summer camp that they could talk to me about anything, they never lost sight of my role as both 'authority figure' and protector.
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Post millennium both tech and social media of course had bigger influences on young but that was largely due to two factors.
1) While many parents have become overprotective about physical risks, many of them have not bothered to discuss with and monitor the emotional risks of social media. If the Mean-girl clique at school criticizes someone's clothing style that can be hurtful, but it easier for a parent to help them put it into perspective than if a selfie she posts gets hundreds or thousands of views but half or more are negative.

2) In a weird way the ability to instantly almost constantly connect with others has also tended to isolate us from family and neighbors (not all of us course, but too many). When i worked at UW i was saddened to see groups of students sitting together in the student union and all of them in phones and barely talking to each other. Then I noticed over the years that in restaurants, mall food courts i would see families behaving the same way-- on their 'devices', sometimes not even paying enough attention to toddlers, as long as the child didn't fuss or cry. Because parents got sucked down the tech rabbit holes (games and social media) too.
 
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I've watched about the first 5-6 minutes and will watch the rest later today. I may have to get the book. Because i have so many questions about how he reached his conclusions.

Firstly did he look at whether there are cultural (due to ethnicity, religion, or where the kids actually grew up) and/or economic factors, because not all families can afford the best, and generally expensive tech. Secondly i would argue tech was impacting us all long before high speed internet.

My Gen X sons pleaded for one of the early Atari game systems with 'cassettes' (that actually plugged into the power unit in much the same way flash drives did to computers later). Having read that some games good for hand eye motor co-ordination issues which they'd been diagnosed with i saved up and got it for like their 8th birthday i think. But unlike a lot of parents i had rules. Game time was earned (completing homework primarily) and not unlimited.

By the time my Millennial daughter was in 2nd grade she was being introduced to computers at school, and the boys were getting some use in school library. I did most of my late in life college papers on a word processing electric typewriter. The ease of editing was tge big draw for me. All three of kids by the time they were ten their favorite way to spend 'free time' was reading. In 6th grade school tests showed both boys were reading at master's level, when DD hit that test the school could not find a 'frustration level' for her.

However, i still encouraged interacting with nature via beach, park and with daughter after we moved to Wyoming--hiking trips. When we got a home computer time on it was limited and the computer was in living room where i might peek over her shoulder at any time, until she was 18.

As with most of life, balance is a good thing. I believe in allowing kids opportunities to learn, test their physical capabilities/limits but also their mental/emotional ones. But parents should keep eyes open, some of the 'freedoms' we enjoyed also could have put us in danger of not just getting 'hurt' but much more lethal consequences. How many cold cases 'solved' or covered because still unsolved have been told since 2000 that involve victims who were Gen X or Boomer kids who didn't come home one night when the street lights came on???

We discussed books, movies and tv shows. It was a way a could gauge their development but also interesting and enjoyable. Despite one of my boys bragging at summer camp that they could talk to me about anything, they never lost sight of my role as both 'authority figure' and protector.
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Post millennium both tech and social media of course had bigger influences on young but that was largely due to two factors.
1) While many parents have become overprotective about physical risks, many of them have not bothered to discuss with and monitor the emotional risks of social media. If the Mean-girl clique at school criticizes someone's clothing style that can be hurtful, but it easier to get for a parent to help them put it into perspective than if a selfie she posts gets hundreds or thousands of views but half or more are negative.

2) In a weird way the ability to instantly almost constantly connect with others has also tended to isolate us from family and neighbors (not all of us course, but too many). When i worked at UW i was saddened to see groups of students sitting together in the student union and all of them in phones and barely talking to each other. Then I noticed over the years that in restaurants, mall food courts i would see families behaving the same way-- on their 'devices', sometimes not even paying enough attention to toddlers, as long as the child didn't fuss or cry. Because parents got sucked down the tech rabbit holes (games and social media) too.

This is the 50 minute one I've gotten the most from;

He doesn't hold anything back to sell books. He wants the info out there for all our sakes. He is very thorough.

What did you do at the U. Wyoming? Pretty interesting to learn more about what everyone did in their working life.
 
Firstly did he look at whether there are cultural (due to ethnicity, religion, or where the kids actually grew up) and/or economic factors, because not all families can afford the best, and generally expensive tech

Yes he does. Kids of families in religious households make out much better.

My Gen X sons pleaded for one of the early Atari game systems with 'cassettes' (that actually plugged into the power unit in much the same way flash drives did to computers later). Having read that some games good for hand eye motor co-ordination issues which they'd been diagnosed with i saved up and got it for like their 8th birthday i think. But unlike a lot of parents i had rules. Game time was earned (completing homework primarily) and not unlimited.

By the time my Millennial daughter was in 2nd grade she was being introduced to computers at school, and the boys were getting some use in school library. I did most of my late in life college papers on a word processing electric typewriter. The ease of editing was tge big draw for me. All three of kids by the time they were ten their favorite way to spend 'free time' was reading. In 6th grade school tests showed both boys were reading at master's level, when DD hit that test the school could not find a 'frustration level' for her.

However, i still encouraged interacting with nature via beach, park and with daughter after we moved to Wyoming--hiking trips. When we got a home computer time on it was limited and the computer was in living room where i might peek over her shoulder at any time, until she was 18.

Well you did better than most in that time frame I imagine. Love my youngest brother to death but he definitely brought them up plugged into the internet and he plays a lot of games there too. In his defense his bipolar wife split and left childcare and bread winning on him. When I met my wife I was going to an arcade occasionally to play a few of the old games but I never sought out anything for at home. But while those may consume a lot of time, at least our brains are already wired.

I agree with your points 1 and 2. Even these forums tend to make us more insular in RL, though I find for specific topics of interest their ability to connect you to a wider population is helpful. But I make a point of walking in nature every day (or at least the dog park) and love being in my garden. Apparently the latest generation lacks attention to read a book or even to listen to lecture. Poor things. My niece is 19 and my nephew is 16. Both have difficulties.
 
Yes he does. Kids of families in religious households make out much better.



Well you did better than most in that time frame I imagine. Love my youngest brother to death but he definitely brought them up plugged into the internet and he plays a lot of games there too. In his defense his bipolar wife split and left childcare and bread winning on him. When I met my wife I was going to an arcade occasionally to play a few of the old games but I never sought out anything for at home. But while those may consume a lot of time, at least our brains are already wired.

I agree with your points 1 and 2. Even these forums tend to make us more insular in RL, though I find for specific topics of interest their ability to connect you to a wider population is helpful. But I make a point of walking in nature every day (or at least the dog park) and love being in my garden. Apparently the latest generation lacks attention to read a book or even to listen to lecture. Poor things. My niece is 19 and my nephew is 16. Both have difficulties.
I live very rural most of my almost 5 acres is wild and it has small hills and some meadow type spaces. Southwest eco system, lots of sage, juniper. Our village has less than 1,000 people and businesses that employ not only people from here but a lot from nearby reservations too. Strangers nod and offer greetings in passing and if briefly stuck on a line will chat.

I'm an ambivert, meaning i need my solitude-- daily! But when with others i engage sincerely. Last couple of months a horse has been hanging out at our place, not sure who he belongs to but him eating grass is wild fire prevention aid. Sometimes neighbors cows come over too.

Oh and in our 13 years here i've watched the neighbor's son & daughter grow up. That girl was maybe 12 the first time i saw her driving a tractor. Don't know what they do inside but they both have done heavy livestock, planting and harvesting chores. So farm kids in very rural places likely get a broader range of activities than most suburban or city kids.
 
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Exactly. I think kids are just going to have one heck of a hard time making their own way in life.
I was worried about my millennial daughter for a while there till i saw how organised and clear thinker she us on the job.
My grandson on high end Autism spectrum, a visual thinker like Temple Grandin, but gets good grades, has friends, and can hold down a conversation albeit with pauses to translate the thoughts to words.
 
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I live very rural most of my almost 5 acres is wild and it has small hills and some meadow type spaces. Southwest eco system, lots of sage, juniper. Our village has less than 1,000 people and businesses that employ not only people from here but a lot from nearby reservations too. Strangers nod and offer greetings in passing and if briefly stuck on a line will chat.

I'm an ambivert, meaning i need my solitude-- daily! But when with others i engage sincerely. Last couple of months a horse has been hanging out at our place, not sure who he belongs to but him eating grass is wild fire prevention aid. Sometimes neighbors cows come over too.

Oh and in our 13 years hear i've watched the neighbor's son daughter grow up. That girl was maybe 12 the first time i saw her driving a tractor. Don't know what they do inside but they both have done heavy livestock, planting and harvesting chores. So farm kids in very rural places likely get a broader range of activities than most suburban or city kids.

If I bring my own RV, can I come live with you? Well, (relatively) near you? :D
 
I was worried about my millennial daughter for a while there till i saw how organised and clear thinker she us on the job.
My grandson on high end Autism spectrum, a visual thinker like Temole Grandin, but gets good grades, has friends, and can hold down a conversation albeit with pauses to translate the thoughts to words.

Happy for you. My nephew is also high level austistic and he lives in game consoles a lot. My niece is sweet, artistic and smart but she has gotten caught up in all the gender confusion. One more hurdle.
 
I live very rural most of my almost 5 acres is wild and it has small hills and some meadow type spaces. Southwest eco system, lots of sage, juniper. Our village has less than 1,000 people and businesses that employ not only people from here but a lot from nearby reservations too. Strangers nod and offer greetings in passing and if briefly stuck on a line will chat.

I'm an ambivert, meaning i need my solitude-- daily! But when with others i engage sincerely. Last couple of months a horse has been hanging out at our place, not sure who he belongs to but him eating grass is wild fire prevention aid. Sometimes neighbors cows come over too.

Oh and in our 13 years here i've watched the neighbor's son & daughter grow up. That girl was maybe 12 the first time i saw her driving a tractor. Don't know what they do inside but they both have done heavy livestock, planting and harvesting chores. So farm kids in very rural places likely get a broader range of activities than most suburban or city kids.

Makes sense. I agree.
 
Screens and social media are part of the problem not just for kids but also for parents.

Every minute family members spend in front of screens are minutes that can’t be spent interacting with each other.

I also believe that the modern trend to turn children over to paid third party caregivers at birth plays a huge role in child development.

I was fortunate to have my paternal grandmother with me and learned a great deal from her patient nonstop conversational teaching without preaching.

She used every opportunity to include us in the daily routines of life instead of parking us in front of a screen while she went about her day.
 
@MarkD have you heard of Yuval Noah Harari? Historian, Philosopher and author. Apparently his book, Nexus, touches on this. The book is about how human information networks have been built from cave drawings to internet.

At halfway thru an Interview with him i had to stop and look him up, because his points about social trust and how the newest AI (Both images and voice are eroding that trust were so on point. And synchronistically related to to this topic.

I can't share that video here because it touches on politics. He apparently has a total of 6 books out. Four (Sapiens, Homo Deus, 21 Lessons for the 21st Century and Nexus) aimed at adult readers and a two book set, "Unstoppable Us", are labeled as being from age 10 years up. Vol 1 is "How Humans Took over the World" and "Why the World Isn't Fair" is Vol 2. They all look interesting, will have to give some thought which to read first.
 
I'm so grateful it wasn't around when I was coming up. I was walking in San Diego canyon land alone before I started school. I think he is right that kids need an opportunity to take real risks and work things out playing with friends on their own in order to develop maturity and confidence. We all use screens but we know how to function without them too.
I completely agree.

The questions I see on Reddit, for example, are shocking. One person asked "I just chopped a whole onion, but I only need half an onion. What do I do with the other half?" Two issues there: (1) You seriously cannot figure that out? and (2) Why are you asking social media? Yeesh.

Someone else, also on Reddit, took a photo of their car dashboard with an icon lit up and asked if people knew what the problem was. The general response was (thank goodness) "Go read your owner's manual."

It's rather unsettling.
 
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@MarkD have you heard of Yuval Noah Harari? Historian, Philosopher and author. Apparently his book, Nexus, touches on this. The book is about how human information networks have been built from cave drawings to internet.

At halfway thru an Interview with him i had to stop and look him up, because his points about social trust and how the newest AI (Both images and voice are eroding that trust were so on point. And synchronistically related to to this topic.

I can't share that video here because it touches on politics. He apparently has a total of 6 books out. Four (Sapiens, Homo Deus, 21 Lessons for the 21st Century and Nexus) aimed at adult readers and a two book set, "Unstoppable Us", are labeled as being from age 10 years up. Vol 1 is "How Humans Took over the World" and "Why the World Isn't Fair" is Vol 2. They all look interesting, will have to give some thought which to read first.

At first I thought he might have been the author of Julian Jaynes book which I never finished as it seemed so absurd. Nope not him. I've started listening to "The risks and opportunities of the information age | Yuval Noah Harari". Hot? Cold?
 
@MarkD have you heard of Yuval Noah Harari? Historian, Philosopher and author. Apparently his book, Nexus, touches on this. The book is about how human information networks have been built from cave drawings to internet.

At halfway thru an Interview with him i had to stop and look him up, because his points about social trust and how the newest AI (Both images and voice are eroding that trust were so on point. And synchronistically related to to this topic.

I can't share that video here because it touches on politics. He apparently has a total of 6 books out. Four (Sapiens, Homo Deus, 21 Lessons for the 21st Century and Nexus) aimed at adult readers and a two book set, "Unstoppable Us", are labeled as being from age 10 years up. Vol 1 is "How Humans Took over the World" and "Why the World Isn't Fair" is Vol 2. They all look interesting, will have to give some thought which to read first.

I wonder if there is something to sample which would give a sense of where it goes. I'll look around. This one is interesting and is about religion rather than politics. Interesting. Keep me posted if you end up reading a book and have a recommendation.

 
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I wonder if there is something to sample which would give a sense of where it goes. I'll look around. This one is interesting and is about religion rather than politics. Interesting. Keep me posted if you end up reading a book and have a recommendation.

I will. He does have a YouTube channel but when i searched for him there it also turned up a lot of interviews with various outlets including the WSJ and repeat visits with Ari Melber on MSNBC.
 


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