For the unvaccinated for covid 19. A short question.

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StarSong said:
I read the International Journal of Preventative Medicine study. The above is a mischaracterization of its findings and conclusions.
COVID-19 Vaccination and Cardiovascular Events: A... : International Journal of Preventive Medicine

I found none of the statistics cited in @Tazx's post above. None. No 711%, 284%, or other supposed statistics. None.

In fact, it states:
"Overall, our study contributes to the existing literature by employing a comprehensive analysis approach and emphasizing controlled observational studies. While acknowledging potential side effects, our findings support the overall safety of the COVID-19 vaccine concerning cardiovascular complications such as myocardial infarction, stroke, and arrhythmia. However, it is crucial to note that ongoing surveillance and research are essential to continually monitor the safety and efficacy profiles of vaccines, including their potential cardiovascular effects, particularly as new variants emerge and vaccination strategies evolve. This underscores the importance of robust and continuous post-marketing surveillance systems to promptly identify and address any emerging safety concerns associated with vaccines."

Indeed. The Czech "study" is sheer nonsense.
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Do you know how to read the charts/figures and calculate the results? Or do you just look through the article looking for the actual numbers!

And how is the Czech study sheer nonsense? Its in many papers, on the news in CZ and friends in Prague are all talking about it?

In fact its all over the world that people are talking about the damage from the shot and low birthrates...Just read things other than what they tell you on tv.
 

She didn't say the study is sheer nonsense - just that your presentation of its conclusions was.

And quoted the study actual conclusion, which - surprise suprise! - did not say what you were claiming at all.
 
@Tazx …my high school had three thousand kids. People were talking about a particular girl “all the time”. They said she was pregnant. In three years she never produced a child. Just sayin. If there is a conspiracy theory about Covid I believe that there has been a concerted effort to make people suspicious about conclusions that are made about science and medicine. That I truly believe.
 

Tazx said:
The

Czech study is here;
Czech data show that vaccinated people give birth to significantly fewer children.

The other;
COVID-19 Vaccination and Cardiovascular Events: A... : International Journal of Preventive Medicine
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That's not the Czech study - it an opinion and interpretation of the Czech study. The full study is shown in the link I provided:
COVID-19, Vaccination, and Female Fertility in the Czech Republic - PMC

There is no discussion about birth rates in the actual Czech study, only hormone levels and fertility markers. As per my quote above.

In the article you quoted, a Czech university teacher of applied mathematics hypothesized that Covid-19 vaccinations are responsible for declining birth rates in CZ as well as other countries. That's the source of "evidence."

No mention of the fact that CZ birth rates have been declining for decades:
Czech Republic Birth Rate | Chart & Data

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In the Czech Republic, Birth Rates Hit Historic Low as Career Takes Priority - Czech Daily
Czech birth rate drop explanation.png

Birth rates are declining throughout the industrialized world. It's been demonstrated repeatedly over the last 60 years: when women are empowered with equal rights, educations, career options, birth control and the ability to make choices and support themselves, marriage and childbirth rates drop precipitously. The high cost of bearing and raising children tips the scales even further away from large families.

Are better educated women, who are already unlikely to have large families, more apt to have Covid-19 vaccinations? I would guess that to be so. It's apparently not something the Czech professor considered, but if there were indeed a study, that would be a detail to consider.
 
Tazx said:
Do you know how to read the charts/figures and calculate the results? Or do you just look through the article looking for the actual numbers!

And how is the Czech study sheer nonsense? Its in many papers, on the news in CZ and friends in Prague are all talking about it?

In fact its all over the world that people are talking about the damage from the shot and low birthrates...Just read things other than what they tell you on tv.
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I do, which is evidenced by my citations of facts and figures from original studies, rather than quoting third party interpretation of the data.

The Czech "study" you posted is speculation by Tomas Fürst, a math professor, rather than a full study which would include disclosing the sources of his data. In fact, the article states, "Fürst does not know if this hypothesis is valid, but believes it should be investigated because it is reasonable."
 
On June 15th, this year, A COVID vaccine database covering 18 million citizens was released in Japan. (that seems like a large enough group to have some credibility).
After reviewing the data, a top professor warned, “The more doses you get, the sooner you’re likely to die.”
The worst finding was a deadly spike just 3 to 4 months after the final shot.

The professor, Dr. Yasufumi Murakami isn’t just some fringe anti-vaxxer. He’s a respected professor at the Tokyo University of Science, where he serves as vice director at the Research Center for RNA Science.
He holds a Doctor of Pharmaceutical Science from the University of Tokyo and has authored over 100 scientific publications.

This chart ought to give you shivers, or at least something to ponder.


covid chart 18 million.jpg
 
squatting dog said:
On June 15th, this year, A COVID vaccine database covering 18 million citizens was released in Japan. (that seems like a large enough group to have some credibility).
After reviewing the data, a top professor warned, “The more doses you get, the sooner you’re likely to die.”
The worst finding was a deadly spike just 3 to 4 months after the final shot.

The professor, Dr. Yasufumi Murakami isn’t just some fringe anti-vaxxer. He’s a respected professor at the Tokyo University of Science, where he serves as vice director at the Research Center for RNA Science.
He holds a Doctor of Pharmaceutical Science from the University of Tokyo and has authored over 100 scientific publications.

This chart ought to give you shivers, or at least something to ponder.


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Please cite your source.
 
this seems likely t o be along the lines of " people who get flu vaccine are more likely to die within next 12 months than people who don't get flu vaccine"

therefore flu vaccine hastens death!! and govt flu vaccine is a conspiracy to reduce the population!!

or maybe those who are older and/or have high risk medical conditions are more likely to get flu vaccine and therefore to die of unrelated causes than young healthy people whose uptake of flu vaccine is much less.

but that is too boring and logical. 🙄
 
squatting dog said:
On June 15th, this year, A COVID vaccine database covering 18 million citizens was released in Japan. (that seems like a large enough group to have some credibility).
After reviewing the data, a top professor warned, “The more doses you get, the sooner you’re likely to die.”
The worst finding was a deadly spike just 3 to 4 months after the final shot.

The professor, Dr. Yasufumi Murakami isn’t just some fringe anti-vaxxer. He’s a respected professor at the Tokyo University of Science, where he serves as vice director at the Research Center for RNA Science.
He holds a Doctor of Pharmaceutical Science from the University of Tokyo and has authored over 100 scientific publications.

This chart ought to give you shivers, or at least something to ponder.


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"Non vaccinated people never experience a peak in death." What does that even mean?
 
To answer the OP, no apologies because I got the first three before I had strange symptoms effecting my nerves, but not Covid. I never went for anymore because it was clear to me that the vaccine did more harm than good. About that same time a couple of friends developed blood clot problems.

My doctor of many years retired after the false science behind the vaccines was revealed and many developed life threatening issues. I told her she was just doing her job and what the AMA made her do. Her main regret was talking patients out of taking horse wormer that is now being prescribed to anyone getting Covid. She might have saved a few lives.

To remind those that confuse this vaccine with viral vaccines like flu or shingles, the Covid vaccine didn't work like long time proven viral vaccines. It didn't build immunity by introducing a dead virus to your system. It was chemicals that were supposed to shock your immune system and strengthen it. It did way more harm than good and only time will tell how much damage was done.
 
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I cannot believe people are still getting the Covid vaccine and flu shots, I guess we were lucky we had an honest Dr, unfortunately he has retired now, its such a shame there are not more honest Dr's and Nurses in the world today.
natural immunity is the best, we never got Covid , and cannot remember the last time we had the flu must be at least 30 years ago now, have had the odd cold but nothing serious.
Having had Myeloid Leukemia as an infant and survived, has proven to me natural immunity is best.
For what its worth this might be worth reading.
COVID VACCINE “SAFE AND EFFECTIVE” NARRATIVE COLLAPSES ON CAMERA
 
This crap again? Sorry, but this forum was a powder keg during the worst of Covid. The bottom line is that those of us who feel the need to get vaccinated for Covid will continue to do so and those who don't, won't. No posts will convince one or the other. We make our own decisions and we live with the consequences.
 
^^ yes that's true - if you dont want to get vaccinated and you don't work in health care where it is a requirement of the job, then don't.

However if you are going to make claims about data or studies etc then be prepared for those to be fact checked and study conclusion referenced and explained by others.
Making sure the study is from a reputable source and actually does conclude what you think it concludes before posting would be a good idea

We are still waiting for link to claims squatting dog made a day or so back. Perhaps he has done above and found posting it wouldn't show what he thought it would.
 
seadoug said:
This crap again? Sorry, but this forum was a powder keg during the worst of Covid. The bottom line is that those of us who feel the need to get vaccinated for Covid will continue to do so and those who don't, won't. No posts will convince one or the other. We make our own decisions and we live with the consequences.
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A lot of the mRNA vaccinated people died with the consequences, among them many young sportsmen and-women. To each his/her own. If you like to call serious warnings of independent physicians crap, I better don't write what I think of you.
 
so are you going to provide links to these claims that young sportsmen and women who got vaccinated died more than those who didnt or that the death rate shot up amongst vaccinated people compared to people of same age, medical conditions etc who did not get vaccinated?

you can write what you think of me if you like and if you think personal jibes add anything to your credibility :unsure:
 
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