Breaking News MPs vote to legalise assisted dying in the UK

papa tiger said:
I have no memories of my pre-birth months. I don't que a lot about that.

I have 2 early memories, one not liking the lock on our front Yard gate.
The other, a 2-year-old, in the front yard looking at my older sister Mary Ellen.
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papa tiger: You sound a bit like my late husband, he was so anxious that the front gate to his house hadn't been locked properly, he would go home at recess in school time, just to check on it so his little brother couldn't get out.
 

Glad to see this. I remember reading a few years back of a UK woman with multiple sclerosis who traveled--at great expense--to Diginitis in Switzerland. Her sister said she'd wanted to wait until later in her illness but was afraid she'd get too incapacitated to make the trip. If I remember correctly, I think her sister faced criminal charges upon her return to the UK for facilitating the trip.
 

AnnieA said:
Glad to see this. I remember reading a few years back of a UK woman with multiple sclerosis who traveled--at great expense--to Diginitis in Switzerland. Her sister said she'd wanted to wait until later in her illness but was afraid she'd get too incapacitated to make the trip. If I remember correctly, I think her sister faced criminal charges upon her return to the UK for facilitating the trip.
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It is not very far to travel from UK to Switzerland.
 
AnnieA said:
Glad to see this. I remember reading a few years back of a UK woman with multiple sclerosis who traveled--at great expense--to Diginitis in Switzerland. Her sister said she'd wanted to wait until later in her illness but was afraid she'd get too incapacitated to make the trip. If I remember correctly, I think her sister faced criminal charges upon her return to the UK for facilitating the trip.
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Many , many Brits have travelled to Dignitas to end their lives ...but the rule is you must have someone competent to travel with you. It costs £10k... plus the travel expense..

However it's against the law to ''assist'' in anyone's wish to tke their own lives... even tho' the partner isn't administering the fatal dose...

It's an absolutely appalling situation...



https://www.dignityindying.org.uk/assisted-dying/the-law-on-assisted-dying/tony-nicklinson/
 
AnnieA said:
Glad to see this. I remember reading a few years back of a UK woman with multiple sclerosis who traveled--at great expense--to Diginitis in Switzerland. Her sister said she'd wanted to wait until later in her illness but was afraid she'd get too incapacitated to make the trip. If I remember correctly, I think her sister faced criminal charges upon her return to the UK for facilitating the trip.
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also even if they do face charges.. which they can.. and face up to 14 years in Prison, the reality is it rarely if ever happens
 
Mike said:
I disagree with it, I sympathise with those who are in pain and terminal,
I have watched friends, suffer and die in agony, for those people I think
that it is good that they have the option, but I don't trust the Government,
if they run short of money, they will start thinking about the long term
disabled, those who have no chance of improvement and how to get them
off benefits, look what happened about the "Winter Fuel Payment" for the
elderly, they stopped it dead, without consultation, so they don't really care.

Doctors will not like the idea of taking a life, needlessly, they all sign the
"Hippocratic Oath", to protect human life and to do the best to improve
that life, or similar words to that effect.

So I fear for the long term sick, those who are not in pain or despair, those
with hopes to get well again!

My brother has been bed bound for over a year, when he asked for some
Physio Therapy, he was told that he already had too much, he had, had 3
or 4 sessions in the hospital, what they really meant I believe was that they
had no money to spend on him, without it, he will never be able to stand
or to walk on his own, ever again, I fear.

He is one candidate for this act, but he does pay for carers to live in with
him, as he needs 24 hours care.

So there are two sides to this, I am afraid that I really am a cynic.

Mike.
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I agree with every point you’ve made, Mike.
I think there should have been at least a larger majority required before this could become law, not the mere 23 vote majority that it attained.
We are rapidly & worryingly coming to see that it is ALL about the money with this government, & I too have heard unsettling reports from Canada. You only have to know that they only last week passed the law decriminalising abortion up to birth to see that life is no longer sacrosanct in this country. So who can predict where this slippery slope will lead.
Sometimes it takes someone from outside the UK, an American, to shine a light on just what is happening here.

MSN
 
It’s probably been 20 years ago now when I received a radio call to go to such and such address and see a male named Mr. John Smith. When I arrived at the property, I knocked on the door several times and also rang the bell over and over. I could hear the tv on, but no answer to the door. I finally tried the door and it was open, so I stuck my head inside and announced myself a few times before making entrance.

When I stepped into the home, it had an open foyer, so I was actually standing inside the living room. I saw a male about 60 y/o sitting in a huge overstuffed chair with blood flowing down over the side of his head and face while holding a sheet of paper. The paper had writing on it, which read that I would find his wife dead in bed. He shot her to stop the pain she was in and dying from ALS. He also stated that he thought it best to also take his life to prevent going to prison for “X” amount of years until he died. His last sentence was “God, please forgive me.”

I had to call the EMS in the area, the Coroner, the Forensic’s Team and the Investigation Team that was on duty. I had more vehicles and flashing lights going on in front of that address that it may have appeared to be a traveling circus. The original call was at 12:30 a.m. and it was finally about 7 a.m. when we had a family member show up to ID the deceased male and female and to lock up the house.

Both deceased family members were killed by a .38 caliber pistol, which was found on the floor beside the male, along with a bottle of whiskey. Weeks later after the investigation was completed, it was listed as a murder/suicide.
 
911 said:
It’s probably been 20 years ago now when I received a radio call to go to such and such address and see a male named Mr. John Smith. When I arrived at the property, I knocked on the door several times and also rang the bell over and over. I could hear the tv on, but no answer to the door. I finally tried the door and it was open, so I stuck my head inside and announced myself a few times before making entrance.

When I stepped into the home, it had an open foyer, so I was actually standing inside the living room. I saw a male about 60 y/o sitting in a huge overstuffed chair with blood flowing down over the side of his head and face while holding a sheet of paper. The paper had writing on it, which read that I would find his wife dead in bed. He shot her to stop the pain she was in and dying from ALS. He also stated that he thought it best to also take his life to prevent going to prison for “X” amount of years until he died. His last sentence was “God, please forgive me.”

I had to call the EMS in the area, the Coroner, the Forensic’s Team and the Investigation Team that was on duty. I had more vehicles and flashing lights going on in front of that address that it may have appeared to be a traveling circus. The original call was at 12:30 a.m. and it was finally about 7 a.m. when we had a family member show up to ID the deceased male and female and to lock up the house.

Both deceased family members were killed by a .38 caliber pistol, which was found on the floor beside the male, along with a bottle of whiskey. Weeks later after the investigation was completed, it was listed as a murder/suicide.
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I'd like to know who called 911.
 
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OldOld said:
I'd like to know who called 911.
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The male called before he shot himself. I am not so sure he had his mind made up to take his own life because after listening to the 911 call, he told the operator that his wife was dead and he needed to “talk” to the police asap.
 
OldOld said:
How do you know that?
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I believe we're a type of animal.. That said, we have a consciousness that appears to be greater than the vast array of other creatures. A human death is still important. We have millions of people whose job is it to record every death, to find out how it occurred, and to prevent it from happening. As such, we hold the life of a human above that of other creatures.

Of course, if you're a believer, that increases ones belief that death is a special event.
 
papa tiger said:
Every bridge, skyscraper & cliffs going to have long waiting lists and lines patiently waiting for an end.
Lots have been falling out of windows in Russia I noticed. Probably will see the stairs to the roof unlocked.
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Splattering yourself at the bottom of a fall is not a dignified way to die and may be unnecessarily traumatic for those who witness, discover have to deal with the aftermath. The point of voluntary assisted dying is give the person dignity in their final days and hours.
 
My mother died aged 96 she had lived as a full a life as she could and was well informed and well aware of her prognosis for the remainder of her life. She was pro assisted dying, to the point that she and my daughter wrote a letter to the editor of the daily newspaper in her city.
Being an ex-army nurse and from a medical family she was offered antibiotics for sepsis and she refused them, I was called and got on the next flight to NZ. The treating doctors wanted to see me ASAP and they asked me how I felt about the situation. I told them that I respected her wishes and so should they, she was given anti nausea drugs and pain relief until she passed, She lived and died on her own terms.
NZ passed assisted dying laws the year after she died.
 
Rakaia said:
Splattering yourself at the bottom of a fall is not a dignified way to die and may be unnecessarily traumatic for those who witness, discover have to deal with the aftermath. The point of voluntary assisted dying is give the person dignity in their final days and hours.
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exactly, totally defeats the purpose of dying peacefully and without pain.

apart from fact I mentioned earlier that most people a t end stage of cancers, motor neurone disease etc are not going to be
able to get themselves to the bridge anyway
 
Rakaia said:
My mother died aged 96 she had lived as a full a life as she could and was well informed and well aware of her prognosis for the remainder of her life. She was pro assisted dying, to the point that she and my daughter wrote a letter to the editor of the daily newspaper in her city.
Being an ex-army nurse and from a medical family she was offered antibiotics for sepsis and she refused them, I was called and got on the next flight to NZ. The treating doctors wanted to see me ASAP and they asked me how I felt about the situation. I told them that I respected her wishes and so should they, she was given anti nausea drugs and pain relief until she passed, She lived and died on her own terms.
NZ passed assisted dying laws the year after she died.
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In 2003 I was lying on the floor in a hospital since all rooms were occupied and I overheard a conversation between a doctor and a woman. The physician wanted to amputate her mother's leg to save her life. The woman answered: "My mother is 92 years old and doesn't want an amputation." "Then your mother must die" he replied. "So be it" was her answer.

Respecting your mother's wish was the best you could do for her.

In January of 1997 my mother got stomach bleeding two days after her 75th birthday. She was admitted to hospital. After some time of improvement her state worsened again and two weeks later, still in hospital, she got a cardiac arrest on a Sunday's night, shortly my girlfriend and future wife and I had visited her. She was resuscitated and put into artificial coma with life support.

The next morning I had a discussion of an hour with the young doctor that my mother, a former nurse, doesn't want to be on life support.

Only two hours later she got a second cardiac arrest and this time the staff followed my instructions and did nothing that my mother could die in peace.

As I came again to see her body, the doctor said: "You were right".
 
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