Do you own a firearm?

[MACKTEXAS]

The most frequent cause of gun deaths is SUICIDE. Thus, owning a gun makes one a candidate for SUICIDE! If one really wants to die, one could go to Switzerland, Vermont or Oregon and get doctor assisted SUICIDE!

First comes the decision to commit the act, then the means is chosen. whether gun, prescription overdose, natural gas inhalation, jumping from a structure, intentional car crash, overuse of alcohol, etc.

 

[January]

Sorry, not getting what you mean with this comment.

I'm not getting your laughing emoji either - if you want to explain your comment do so - if not, whatever point you were making to me has eluded me.

 

[Nathan]

the chances of somebody randomly somehow busting down my locked front door in middle of night and coming down hallway after me are miniscule

Exactly, the nighttime break in is a "boogie man" fear for many.

 

[Trade]

The gun owner is not only the person at risk of suicide. Other family members undergoing depression are also likely to use the gun on themselves.

So? If someone wants to cash in their chips it seems to me they have a right to do so.

 

[Timewise 60+]

yes that may be the US stance

as Warrigal pointed out earlier, is not the stance in Australia:
WA premier Roger Cook said "for the first time, Western Australia's firearms laws elevate public safety above the privilege of owning a gun”.

and rightly so, IMO

So, only bad guys have guns! Seems a bit unfair...

 

[Trade]

So, only bad guys have guns! Seems a bit unfair...

That's the thing about strict gun laws. The only people that obey them are law abiding citizens. For criminals and psychopaths they are little more than a speed bump if that.

 

[MACKTEXAS]

Sorry, not getting what you mean with this comment.

In your post #104, you mentioned that certain crime statistics for Australia posted earlier by someone in this thread were outdated by 9 years.

Recognizing that to be true, I looked to see if I could find more current information, and posted the most recent crime statistics on home break-ins that I could find for Australia in my post #105.

In your post #106, you replied by more or less restating much of the dialogue I had already seen in your posts #61, 75, 84, 85, and 100, so little or nothing new was presented.

Hence, I asked if you wanted a refund. It was not intended to be a serious question.

We have differing opinions on the issue of guns, self-protection, etc., and that's fine.

 

[GP44]

Uh sorry, that doesn't quite follow, logically. But to be sure, a firearm does present an easy,convenient, efficient & foolproof tool with which to commit suicide. Someone who is predisposed to committing suicide could be or become a gun owner, but just because someone owns a gun doesn't automatically make them a subset of suicide candidates.

I don’t know how fool proof it would be to shoot yourself. I’ve always been afraid to do that for fear that I would fail but be in miserable shape after shooting and would have to live with pain and suffering.
Seems odd that we don’t hear about that happening and yet you hear where people have been shot by others for and had to live a miserable life.
I’m sure there are less painful and more efficient ways to commit suicide but I haven’t really tried to find out.

 

[outlander]

Not to be morbid, but if one wants to commit suicide a shotgun in the mouth pointed slightly up is pretty painless and foolproof.

 

[Nathan]

I don’t know how fool proof it would be to shoot yourself. I’ve always been afraid to do that for fear that I would fail but be in miserable shape after shooting and would have to live with pain and suffering.
Seems odd that we don’t hear about that happening and yet you hear where people have been shot by others for and had to live a miserable life.
I’m sure there are less painful and more efficient ways to commit suicide but I haven’t really tried to find out.

Personally, if I were inclined to take my own life I would do a massive overdose of Fentanyl, or whatever comparable substance was available on the street.

 

[Trade]

Not to be morbid, but if one wants to commit suicide a shotgun in the mouth pointed slightly up is pretty painless and foolproof.

Like Hemingway did? Foolproof? I'd say yes, but painless? I don't know. Seems like it might hurt a whole lot for a very short time.

 

[Trade]

Personally, if I were inclined to take my own life I would do a massive overdose of Fentanyl, or whatever comparable substance was available on the street.

OD ing on some kind of feel good substance is the way I would want to do it. I'm a coward when it comes to pain.

 

[Nathan]

Not to be morbid, but if one wants to commit suicide a shotgun in the mouth pointed slightly up is pretty painless and foolproof.

Morbid comment spoiler alert:

Spoiler

Sometimes people flinch from having a 'second thought' about doing the deed, and end up only blowing half of their head off.

 

[Mitch86]

I've never owned a gun and, so far, I've never needed to own one either. I think ALL guns should be banned for everyone other than for law enforcement personnel and the military. Banning them would SAVE hundreds of lives every year.

 

[Trade]

I've never owned a gun and, so far, I've never needed to own one either. I think ALL guns should be banned for everyone other than for law enforcement personnel and the military. Banning them would SAVE hundreds of lives every year.

The US banned alcoholic beverages from 1920 to 1933. How did that work out?

 

[Nathan]

Yea, banning firearms...the game is over, banning only keeps law abiding folks from having them. For quite some time the crooks have been manufacturing firearms with 3D technology. Untraceable, disposable, just as deadly.

 

[Trade]

Yea, banning firearms...the game is over, banning only keeps law abiding folks from having them. For quite some time the crooks have been manufacturing firearms with 3D technology. Untraceable, disposable, just as deadly.

"When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" I know. It's a cliche. It's also true.

 

[MACKTEXAS]

I've never owned a gun and, so far, I've never needed to own one either. I think ALL guns should be banned for everyone other than for law enforcement personnel and the military. Banning them would SAVE hundreds of lives every year.

I don't foresee a remote possibility of that happening.

 

[oscash]

Hate any sort of gun but I am considering buying one of those 'popguns', you know, the ones that have a cork in the barrel attached to a string, so I can fire when all those pigeons land on my washing and crap on it.

 

[Deya]

The rule I learned at 3 years old was, never point a gun at anything you don't intend to kill.

Don't have a gun for protection, unless you know you would pull the trigger, and could take a human life.

Shoot to kill or don't shoot.

 

[Manatee]

In the military I was taught to never point a gun at someone unless you were going to shoot him, then shoot him quick before he shoots you.

 

[Warrigal]

So, only bad guys have guns! Seems a bit unfair...

Not at all. Our police are armed. People who have a good reason to own a gun can apply for a gun licence but there are certain requirements that must be met including safe storage of the gun and separate safe storage of the ammunition. Guns must be registered.

Responsible laws for responsible people.

 

[GP44]

I got on a big social media site where people were asking all kinds of how to questions about firearms.
I was using my real name on that forum.
I realize that I was telling everyone in the world that I own firearms.
My address is very easy to find by just searching by my name.
I quit that forum and within a week all of my information was deleted.

 

[January]

In your post #104, you mentioned that certain crime statistics for Australia posted earlier by someone in this thread were outdated by 9 years.

Recognizing that to be true, I looked to see if I could find more current information, and posted the most recent crime statistics on home break-ins that I could find for Australia in my post #105.

In your post #106, you replied by more or less restating much of the dialogue I had already seen in your posts #61, 75, 84, 85, and 100, so little or nothing new was presented.

Hence, I asked if you wanted a refund. It was not intended to be a serious question.

We have differing opinions on the issue of guns, self-protection, etc., and that's fine.

I had no idea what it was intended t o say.

and yes I did because you were still missing point about vast number of break ins here being when occupants are not home - yet you kept posting them as if they were relevant t o scenario of self defence.

 

[January]

I don't foresee a remote possibility of that happening.

on this I agree - I don't see remote possibility of USA significantly changing any gun laws either - and therefore no possibility of gun death rate there changing either.