I'm an 81 year old man. In good health.

CLAYCOOPER

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I have a question and looking for someone that can give me a real correct answer. Question: I have been paying for a LTC plan for over 20 years and would like to know if there is a way to get that money now, I'm in good health and don't think that I will be needing it. When I do die without having to use it who gets the money? I know I signed up for this over 20 years, but wasn't thinking of my old age.
 

Though not a member, I asked DeepSeek AI your post, answer:

I understand your frustration—paying into a Long-Term Care (LTC) policy for 20+ years and now questioning its value. **Here’s a clear breakdown of your options and what happens to the money:**

### 1. **Can You Get Your Money Back Now?**
- **Traditional LTC Policies (common 20+ years ago):**
- **No cash surrender value.** Premiums paid are gone if you cancel.
- **No refunds** unless you have a specific rider (rare in older policies).
- **Exception:** If you have a **"Return of Premium" (ROP) rider**, you might get partial/full premiums back upon cancellation or death. **Check your policy documents** or call your insurer to confirm.

- **Hybrid or Newer Policies (less likely for your vintage):**
- Some combine LTC with life insurance or annuities, offering a death benefit if unused.
- If yours is a hybrid, you might access cash value or get a partial refund.

- **Last Resort Options:**
- **Policy Surrender:** Cancel and receive nothing (not recommended).
- **Reduced Paid-Up Option:** Stop paying premiums for reduced coverage (ask your insurer if available).
- **Sell Your Policy (Life Settlements):** Only viable for hybrid policies with a death benefit.

### 2. **What Happens If You Never Use the LTC Coverage?**
- **Traditional LTC Policies:**
- **The money stays with the insurer.** No payout to you or beneficiaries.
- Insurance pools risk across policyholders—your premiums funded others’ claims.

- **Policies with Death Benefits (if hybrid):**
- Unused funds may pay a death benefit to your beneficiaries.

- **State Nonforfeiture Laws (varies):**
- Some states require minimum benefits if you lapse after years of payment (e.g., shortened coverage).

### 3. **Critical Next Steps:**
- **Review Your Policy:**
- Look for:
- "Return of Premium" rider
- "Nonforfeiture Benefit" clause
- "Death benefit" terms
- Call your insurer with your policy number: Ask:
*"Does my policy offer any refund, cash surrender, or death benefit if unused?"*

- **Consult a Specialist:**
- A **fee-only financial advisor** (fiduciary) or **LTC insurance expert** can review your policy for hidden options.
- **Medicaid Planning Attorney:** If you plan to self-fund care, they can advise on asset protection.

### 4. **Important Considerations:**
- **Don’t Cancel Yet:** LTC costs are extreme ($100k+/year for nursing homes). Your health could change.
- **Tax Implications:** If you recover premiums, amounts above what you paid may be taxable.
- **Alternatives:** If you have a hybrid policy, explore converting it to a life insurance policy with long-term care benefits.

### Bottom Line:
Your traditional LTC policy likely **won’t return premiums** if canceled or unused—but **verify your specific terms**. If you have a return-of-premium rider or hybrid policy, you may recover some funds. Prioritize reviewing your contract or speaking with your insurer before making decisions. If you need help deciphering your policy, I can guide you on key sections to look for!
 

When I do die without having to use it who gets the money? I know I signed up for this over 20 years, but wasn't thinking of my old age.
Am I understanding that you think you should be entitled to a "refund" on money you paid as insurance premium for 20 years? Uh... no. I don't get a refund for 40 years of auto coverage from State Farm just because I never had an accident. I *would* like to record their reaction if I'd ask, though. :giggle:
 
I have a question and looking for someone that can give me a real correct answer. Question: I have been paying for a LTC plan for over 20 years and would like to know if there is a way to get that money now, I'm in good health and don't think that I will be needing it. When I do die without having to use it who gets the money? I know I signed up for this over 20 years, but wasn't thinking of my old age.
There is no money to "get". You either use the insurance benefits or you don't.
When you die, the policy benefits die with you.
 


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