Getting hard to trust some doctors

Just a followup. For those saying "trust the medical professionals" over, say oh I don't know Meme's and you tube and such.
Bullshit. (sorry folks, can't help it).
I take Dr. perscribed Tramadol (3 times daily) as does the wife. Lately, she's been acting not quite right... dizzy, blood pressure flucuating wildly, fever, diarrhea. Turns out, her Dr. (you know... the professionals) had recently perscribed Flexeril taken 3 times a day.
Just this last week, my Dr. (another you know professional) perscribed Flexeril daily for me.

So, two seperate... (and professional cough, cough) both perscribes a lethal combination of pills. :eek:
Don't believe me? Check this out.
"Taking tramadol and Flexeril (cyclobenzaprine) together is generally not recommended and can be dangerous. Both medications are central nervous system (CNS) depressants, and their combined effect can lead to severe side effects, including seizures, respiratory
depression, coma, and a potentially fatal condition called serotonin syndrome.

Increased risk of serotonin syndrome: This is a rare but serious and potentially fatal condition caused by excessive serotonin activity in the brain. Both tramadol and Flexeril increase serotonin levels. Symptoms of serotonin syndrome include:
Confusion, restlessness, or agitation
Rapid heart rate and high blood pressure
Hallucinations
Muscle rigidity or twitching (myoclonus)
Excessive sweating and fever
Diarrhea
In severe cases, seizures, irregular heartbeat, unconsciousness, coma, and death.
 

squatting dog said:
Just a followup. For those saying "trust the medical professionals" over, say oh I don't know Meme's and you tube and such.
Bullshit. (sorry folks, can't help it).
I take Dr. perscribed Tramadol (3 times daily) as does the wife. Lately, she's been acting not quite right... dizzy, blood pressure flucuating wildly, fever, diarrhea. Turns out, her Dr. (you know... the professionals) had recently perscribed Flexeril taken 3 times a day.
Just this last week, my Dr. (another you know professional) perscribed Flexeril daily for me.

So, two seperate... (and professional cough, cough) both perscribes a lethal combination of pills. :eek:
Don't believe me? Check this out.
"Taking tramadol and Flexeril (cyclobenzaprine) together is generally not recommended and can be dangerous. Both medications are central nervous system (CNS) depressants, and their combined effect can lead to severe side effects, including seizures, respiratory
depression, coma, and a potentially fatal condition called serotonin syndrome.

Increased risk of serotonin syndrome: This is a rare but serious and potentially fatal condition caused by excessive serotonin activity in the brain. Both tramadol and Flexeril increase serotonin levels. Symptoms of serotonin syndrome include:
Confusion, restlessness, or agitation
Rapid heart rate and high blood pressure
Hallucinations
Muscle rigidity or twitching (myoclonus)
Excessive sweating and fever
Diarrhea
In severe cases, seizures, irregular heartbeat, unconsciousness, coma, and death.
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not surprised. idk wth they're doing anymore. trying to kill us i think.
 
When a Doctor comes in each and every visit, sits down, crosses his legs and has my papers on his lap and does not even
have to read from them when we talk. Now that, impresses me! He talks to me about any thing odd that are changing, asks if I am doing
something different. Then discusses options, whether it be vitamins, diet or such, then medications if that would be my option.
Unless of course I come in sick with something. He's not in a big huge hospital in a metro area maybe is why. I am going to hate it if he retires
before I no longer need his services.
 
mine has my file open and still can't see the info in it or remember things from it. he doesn't seem to be able to read the information in the pulmo docs notes in full for some reason and he misses lots of info and then accuses me of being non compliant. i think he's in too big of a hurry and not really listening too good.

one day he accused me of not having my oxygen with me and i was "supposed" to be on it all the time which was incorrect. and it was with me under my jacket. if he suspected why did he never ask that day? why wait months to jump my ass about it? he's an ahole!
 
Fritz said:
mine has my file open and still can't see the info in it or remember things from it. he doesn't seem to be able to read the information in the pulmo docs notes in full for some reason and he misses lots of info and then accuses me of being non compliant. i think he's in too big of a hurry and not really listening too good.

one day he accused me of not having my oxygen with me and i was "supposed" to be on it all the time which was incorrect. and it was with me under my jacket. if he suspected why did he never ask that day? why wait months to jump my ass about it? he's an ahole!
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I would be very nervous with that one. I had one lay my papers on the desk and talk to me with his back to me. I didn't stay with him.
 
Fritz said:
mine has my file open and still can't see the info in it or remember things from it. he doesn't seem to be able to read the information in the pulmo docs notes in full for some reason and he misses lots of info and then accuses me of being non compliant. i think he's in too big of a hurry and not really listening too good.

one day he accused me of not having my oxygen with me and i was "supposed" to be on it all the time which was incorrect. and it was with me under my jacket. if he suspected why did he never ask that day? why wait months to jump my ass about it? he's an ahole!
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I am thinking you need to stand up for yourself. Literally stand up. Fix a very serious expression on your face and tell your doctor your impression of him.

I have done that many times, usually on the first visit. I enumerate what I will not tolerate and what my expectations are. For example, I will not tolerate a doctor telling me that my physical problems are caused by stress. I had a hoity-toity Harvard big shot tell me that for several years and he almost killed me because he thought horses instead of zebras when he heard hoofbeats. He would not have said that to a man.

It's important to stand up! Make sure the doc is seated before you begin. No nervous smiling. Practice in front of a mirror.
 
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i don't take much guff. he told me i was p*ssing him off and i told him it was a mutual thing that day. never had a dr talk to me like that. they don't always know everything all the time. i know my body and what i am willing to put it through. just because some stupid dr wants to treat me for diabetes i don't even have doesn't mean i gotta go along with it. some drs get really nasty with people if they gain weight and various other reasons. i don't get why they think they have that right.
 
WheatenLover said:
I read the other day that major medical errors were the 3rd highest cause of death in the US. Trouble is, I doubt I saved the article. It was from somewhere reliable, but senioritis prevents me from recalling where.
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The old saying comes to mind. "Doctors bury their mistakes". :mad:
 
I remember a good female friend of my mother. She had bladder cancer at about 60, got surgery and was cured. But more than 20 years later she developed colon cancer and had multiple metastases. It was sure that she'd die within some days.
Then obviously she got an ileus (bowel obstruction). Instead giving her high doses of morphine till her near death, she received a colostomy. Only for the reason to die a week later with severe pain.

But she was a private patient which means the hospital and the doctors get much more money than with governmental health insurance. And second young doctors need many certificates for a number of surgeries they performed.
 
squatting dog said:
Just a followup. For those saying "trust the medical professionals" over, say oh I don't know Meme's and you tube and such.
Bullshit. (sorry folks, can't help it).
I take Dr. perscribed Tramadol (3 times daily) as does the wife. Lately, she's been acting not quite right... dizzy, blood pressure flucuating wildly, fever, diarrhea. Turns out, her Dr. (you know... the professionals) had recently perscribed Flexeril taken 3 times a day.
Just this last week, my Dr. (another you know professional) perscribed Flexeril daily for me.
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Sorry that you're both leading lives that are full of pain.
 
@George1959 Good video. Also a lot of the meds have such horrible side effects and the doctors get mad if you don't want to take them and they yell at you and accuse you of being non compliant rather than trying to work with you.

Mine always wants to give me meds that make my breathing worse and aren't for people with copd then he gets mad cuz I don't wanna try them. It's ridiculous anymore.
 
Personally, I think some people over-cook things. Not all medical professionals are shills, and they go through a rigorous education process to get their doctorate. Facts don't sit on their own, and the human body is a complex web of interactions, consequences, and probabilities. No amount of Google and Social Media is going to turn the layman into a Doctor, and doctors aren't measured on the worse among them. If you have a bad doctor, you don't ditch medicine, you change the doctor.

I'm on medications, several actually. Life got better with some of them, others are about things that aren't based on feel, and is more chasing numbers - such as blood pressure numbers. Personally, I think not taking the medications would be irresponsible. I want to be around as long as possible, and in the best health possible. That's the goals of of managing blood pressure.

I'm reminded of those who smoke for all of their adult life, but never get cancer of breathing issues. Yes, they exist, but they don't represent every smoker.

It's fashionable in 2025 to undermine authority at every turn. Experts are belittled and ridiculed. We should remember, facts are facts, without facts you can't have truth, without truth you can't have trust. It's the systematic destruction of our societies from within. Social Media has been co-opted by polarized and dis-informed.

Yes, medicine is a business, and that affects all. On the other hand, medicine and diet is the reason we have an average lifespan for humans is now 73 years. But in the UK, for males it's 79, and for women 83. The average lie expectancy in 1950 (globally) was just 48 years old.

So yeah, there are horror stories, but we shouldn't go too far with it. Doctor's do a lot of good work, and medications can work magic. It's a far from perfect system, but it's sure better than Google alone.
 
VaughanJB said:
Doctors do a lot of good work, and medications can work magic. It's a far from perfect system, but it's sure better than Google alone.
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Agreed. However, given all the information now at our fingertips from credible sources, it would be irresponsible to not participate in the conversation with our doctors. 30 years ago, we blindly took our doctors' advice or slogged through medical journals in the library, hoping the information wasn't outdated.

I don't believe I know as much as my doctor about human bodies, disease, treatment options, etc. What I do have is the expertise of having been the sole owner/operator of this body for the last 70+ years, a curiosity about how it works, a less distracted focus (no other patients to worry about), and a greater vested interest in my health than my medical team has.

If a doctor implied that my opinion had little value, I'd find another doctor tout de suite.
 
My doctor makes recommendations but doesn't act high and mighty or dismiss me as unccoperative, nor does his attitude toward me change if I refuse certain tests or medications. He also listens to my input and responds directly in terms I can understand. This is one reason I've kept him as my doctor for at least 12 years.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
My doctor makes recommendations but doesn't act high and mighty or dismiss me as unccoperative, nor does his attitude toward me change if I refuse certain tests or medications. He also listens to my input and responds directly in terms I can understand. This is one reason I've kept him as my doctor for at least 12 years.
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Same with mine.
 
My current GP is not like my old GP, but he listens to my need and prescribe meds which I bring with typed, listed meds.
I visit his office is primary for medications and blood work. Other health issues, I seek for a specialist.
I plan to keep the current GP whose office is just 5 -7 minutes away from home which is very convenience and no hassle to heavy traffic. So far, I have no complaint about the current GP.
 
StarSong said:
Agreed. However, given all the information now at our fingertips from credible sources, it would be irresponsible to not participate in the conversation with our doctors. 30 years ago, we blindly took our doctors' advice or slogged through medical journals in the library, hoping the information wasn't outdated.
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I agree. Have the conversation. Get informed. The real issue is when facts get presented, and they're denied by people who can't possibly know. For myself, there is a drug my doctor wanted me to take, and on label is was right for me. However, when I took it I didn't like how it made me feel. So, medically right, but in reality, wrong. It happens.

However, I feel too few want to listen to Doctor's, instead they think they know more because of something they've read online. That's ill-advised, imo.
 
Fritz said:
I have noticed that over the years they want everyone on cpap machines and diabetes medicine even when you don't have diabetes and statins. And if you don't want to be on these things they want to know why and try to talk you into it. Since I can't take statins and refuse them my doc has me listed as non compliant.

I had trouble with the metformin too. Also listed as non compliant. I'm sorry but I'm not just gonna take whatever the hell he tells me to just because. Whoever typed in all the information on my drug allergies left things off so when he looks at penicillin it says vomiting and he wants me to take it. I have severe vomitting with hives and other things.

Then he calls me a liar because he thinks I'm making up stories and he doesn't know what to believe. I've had these allergies my entire life. Why would I make crap up? He's a total ahole but there's nobody else I can go to that our insurance will take.

I don't trust them either.
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Being labeled non-compliant can get you in real trouble, like being refused treatment when you really need it, or maybe your mental capacity being questioned by those with more power than you.
I'm not a big fan of drugs of any kind except those found in plants, herbs, foods, which are plenty.
I think I'm pretty sneaky about avoiding Rx drugs and non-compliance labels. I say, "Okay, I'm pretty busy right now, I'll think about it."
Also, the doctor can't put you on drugs if you're not there. Avoid him in situations where it's safe to do so. Eat an apple. Take a walk. Read the best sources on the best course of action for your ailment. Pay attention to your lab work.
 

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