Processed meats rank alongside smoking as cancer causes - WHO

SeaBreeze said:
Not so fast Don, distilled water can cause death! :D http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water.htm
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For Sure! We need the minerals, etc., contained in good fresh water. Our well has some of the best water I've ever tasted, but it is so loaded with minerals that we have to have a water softener to keep all the sink and shower heads from clogging up. When outdoors, I drink right out of the hose, and I keep a pitcher of this well water in the fridge for daily sipping.

The human body is a complex collection of various minerals, etc., and failure to keep them replenished can lead to all sorts of health issues.
 

I have always tried to avoided meats like ham, bacon,corned beef, I do buy them but very rarely, ....the story was in our weekend papers in Aus...I was not surprised as it was known many years ago that "corned " meats were not a good choice in your diet
 
Don M. said:
For Sure! We need the minerals, etc., contained in good fresh water. Our well has some of the best water I've ever tasted, but it is so loaded with minerals that we have to have a water softener to keep all the sink and shower heads from clogging up. When outdoors, I drink right out of the hose, and I keep a pitcher of this well water in the fridge for daily sipping.

The human body is a complex collection of various minerals, etc., and failure to keep them replenished can lead to all sorts of health issues.
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Our fresh water is delicious. Tastes better than any in a bottle.
 

RadishRose said:
Underock, you are not alone with the raw beef and egg! I have eaten this sevral times and it's delicious! Steak Tartare. Recipe:
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/emeril-lagasse/steak-tartare-recipe.html



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You're killing me here, Rose. I must confess raw chop meat does worry me. Back in the day, we went to the butcher shop for it. As a kid, I remember the sawdust on the floor. I'm not so sure about what we get now. Its probably better.
By the way, I do like radishes and roses, both.
 
I haven't eaten meat in almost 25 years. I gave up dairy and eggs too. I'm hardly the poster child for healthy heating. I like potato chips too much.

If it were so easy to be 110 pounds, I'd have been there a long time ago. We all have our vices I guess.

Not sure I'll always avoid trace daily and eggs. I hate the so called vegan community.
 
Kitties, I hear what your saying. I'm not exactly snow white when it comes to my eating habits, just finished off some Ben & Jerry's ice cream, love coffee and potato chips too, but I would like to clean it up a bit more.
 
When I was young my mom (who was very skinny) would take a bit of raw ground beef when she was cooking and eat it. She thought it was suppose to be good for her. I ate it a few times and with salt, it's good. Haven't done that in about 50 years though.

What I wonder about is the lunch meat I buy that says "no nitrates" and no this or that added. I buy the healthiest looking stuff I can buy but I'm still wondering about it. My husband doesn't care much for sandwiches anyway so I'm the only one who usually eats it. I also love tuna sandwiches and he doesn't. And by the way, I only eat a lunch meat sandwich every month or two, it's not like I'm living on them. We eat bacon sometimes but that's about the only pork we eat. I love lamb but he doesn't so I seldom buy it.
 
I'm suspicious of most factory food and prefer to eat meat and vegetables that I prepare myself from fresh, raw ingredients. I'm not a health nut because I reckon humans are very adaptable creatures when it comes to diet but fresh just tastes best.

That said, an occasional feed of salami or some cocktail frankfurts isn't going to shorten my life now.
 
Davey Jones said:
All of the meats I eat are well done, If I see a speck of red on it I will not eat it....maybe Im the nutty one.
Any red meat I usually throw at the Muslims they seem to enjoy it.:)
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Not me... the rarer the better. I tell the waiter.. just cook the "moo" out of it.. that's all.. I do like it at least warm in the middle though..

I don't eat a whole lot of red meat... but sometimes NOTHING does it like a big steak! I don't intend to give that up.
 
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When it comes to it, most people simply don't like being told how to live by faceless committees. I have no intention of changing my lifestyle. Next week they will probably tell us that meat is good for us, but vegetables are bad.

Fern said:
That's for sure.
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That was said 'tongue in cheek' wasn't it? Because I seriously doubt that that statement of Capt Lightning's will ever come up (unless of course some sort of e-coli bacteria gets into a bag of salad greens and let's not forget where that bacteria comes from [and it isn't from the lettuce])
 
Underock1 said:
You're killing me here, Rose. I must confess raw chop meat does worry me. Back in the day, we went to the butcher shop for it. As a kid, I remember the sawdust on the floor. I'm not so sure about what we get now. Its probably better.
By the way, I do like radishes and roses, both.
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Twenty years ago I knew a meat cutter and he once mentioned that when meat is going off, they would wash it in a bleach solution. Gets rid of the sliminess and the stink I guess. And back in the day when I did eat meat, I recall numbers of times that I'd open a package of hamburger to use and it smelled bleachey. So raw meat.....seeing as how we humans don't have the ability as carnivores do, to eat 'road kill' without succumbing to food poisoning, I'd definitely not go that route even if I wasn't a vegan.
 
Debby said:
Twenty years ago I knew a meat cutter and he once mentioned that when meat is going off, they would wash it in a bleach solution. Gets rid of the sliminess and the stink I guess. And back in the day when I did eat meat, I recall numbers of times that I'd open a package of hamburger to use and it smelled bleachey. So raw meat.....seeing as how we humans don't have the ability as carnivores do, to eat 'road kill' without succumbing to food poisoning, I'd definitely not go that route even if I wasn't a vegan.
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How long have you been a vegan, Debby? I was one for only about 6 months and my meals were all totally healthy and I felt great. I gave up sugar at the same time. But I started missing things like milk chocolate, eggs, and real cheese so was vegetarian for about 2 years, then was pescatarian for the next 8 or 9 years.

My reasons for becoming vegan had nothing to do with ethics, it was all about health and all the antibiotics and hormones added to meat in the US.
 
Kitties said:
I haven't eaten meat in almost 25 years. I gave up dairy and eggs too. I'm hardly the poster child for healthy heating. I like potato chips too much.

If it were so easy to be 110 pounds, I'd have been there a long time ago. We all have our vices I guess.

Not sure I'll always avoid trace daily and eggs. I hate the so called vegan community.
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Why do you 'hate' a community that you've chosen to live like?
 
Ameriscot said:
How long have you been a vegan, Debby? I was one for only about 6 months and my meals were all totally healthy and I felt great. I gave up sugar at the same time. But I started missing things like milk chocolate, eggs, and real cheese so was vegetarian for about 2 years, then was pescatarian for the next 8 or 9 years.

My reasons for becoming vegan had nothing to do with ethics, it was all about health and all the antibiotics and hormones added to meat in the US.
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I chose this ten years ago and before that I was a vegetarian for about fifteen years. And to tell you the truth, I haven't missed any of it from day one. Mind you, the first six years of my 'veganism' I was so focused on educating myself as to how the worlds critters are treated and learning about the environmental aspects, that even the mention of the side issues or menu's or the average recipe brings instant images to mind that are seared into my brain if you know what I mean. So haven't missed it and never will.

One of the benefits too of all of my online discussion over the years is that I've heard the phrase 'weak, scrawny, unhealthy vegans' so many times that it's given me a goal of being the poster child for healthy aging as a vegan! So I continue to eat well as is possible (and still enjoy the food I cook :rolleyes:), build muscle and push myself just a little bit further. Like I'm up to 47 full body push ups now and I'm starting to do a few pullups or chin ups (whatever they're called). Yesterday I managed three of those in a row and then played with the cat for a couple minutes, did another one, cleaned his litter box and then did one more. I'm working towards five IN A ROW!

And when I'm feeling lazy, I just take a look at Jim Morris's video to be inspired anew. He's a 78 year old vegan body builder and he looks amazing. I think he was the first black body builder to win three world titles in a row.....and didn't even get acknowledged by the industry for his outstanding achievement....because he is black! I think he's still hurt by that. Anyway, if you're interested in seeing him, here's a little video that is about him. And by the way, thanks for asking. I never tire of being asked because it sort of works like taking marriage vows in public compared to shacking up without telling anyone! One makes you more committed to 'working it out' and the other let's you off the hook without having to explain ones self.......and I hate having to explain myself as in 'flip-flop';).

 
Debby - not 'tongue in cheek', just extremely cynical. Vegetables might be sprayed with all sorts of nasty chemicals.

I like a bit of road kill deer too. I'm more than happy to butcher them. We also keep out own 'rare breed' pigs which I'll be helping to butcher in a few weeks time.
 
fishfulthinking said:
Here in this city we can't eat a lot of it, it's all so expensive. lol.
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Exactly! Through the ages, the eating of lots of meat had been considered a status symbol that only the rich could afford, along with over-eating, so in developing countries being portly is still considered a good thing. Not like here, where it's looked down upon.
 
Linda said:
When I was young my mom (who was very skinny) would take a bit of raw ground beef when she was cooking and eat it. She thought it was suppose to be good for her. I ate it a few times and with salt, it's good. Haven't done that in about 50 years though.

What I wonder about is the lunch meat I buy that says "no nitrates" and no this or that added. I buy the healthiest looking stuff I can buy but I'm still wondering about it. My husband doesn't care much for sandwiches anyway so I'm the only one who usually eats it. I also love tuna sandwiches and he doesn't. And by the way, I only eat a lunch meat sandwich every month or two, it's not like I'm living on them. We eat bacon sometimes but that's about the only pork we eat. I love lamb but he doesn't so I seldom buy it.
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My Grandmother who was from Germany used to make us "cannibal sandwiches" She bought a cheap cut of beef and ground it herself, adding seasonings. Then she would spread it on a slice of pumpernickel and top it with a thinly sliced red onion.. DELISH!!!!
 
Capt Lightning said:
Debby - not 'tongue in cheek', just extremely cynical. Vegetables might be sprayed with all sorts of nasty chemicals.

I like a bit of road kill deer too. I'm more than happy to butcher them. We also keep out own 'rare breed' pigs which I'll be helping to butcher in a few weeks time.
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Of course veggies are sprayed with chemicals, but some are worse than others(organic) and when it comes to the environment, the veggies and fruit that we eat are less toxic than meat production and use far less acreage to produce more protein. And while the animals that you have probably don't get as much medicines, the average person is shopping at the supermarket and that meat comes from factory farms where antibiotics are the norm, not to mention the fact that their feed is well saturated with Roundup as it's being grown. By the way, what are you feeding your animals because their feed might be problematic. Unless you buy only organic feed for them?

And like it or not, you still live in the environment which is being impacted by dwindling water supplies, worsening air and water pollutants and those things impact your health every bit as much as they do everyone else.
 
Cookie said:
Exactly! Through the ages, the eating of lots of meat had been considered a status symbol that only the rich could afford, along with over-eating, so in developing countries being portly is still considered a good thing. Not like here, where it's looked down upon.
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In Uganda meat was considered a special treat. We were always served it when we were invited to people's homes or to weddings. And portly meant the family had money and also that they didn't have Aids. Thin people were seen as possible Aids victims.
 
In Alexander McCall Smith's No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency, set in Botswana, the main character is a hefty lady and it's stated many times that if you own cattle, you are considered rich, even if it's only a few. The heroine was left some cattle as an inheritance and meals always consist of beef with some sort of yam like vegetables on the side. Same goes for places like India, when I was there, the villagers were usually good looking lovely lithe ladies, while the upper classes were chubby and rotund.
 

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