Thanks for this note. I just read it and really wonder why Bush got the blame for the bad Iraqi government. Maybe because we did not retain control over Iraq with the new government. Likely a big mistake of Bush for not including US military of size could stay on and help Iraq keep enemies out. Not likely at all in that time period as the neighbor in Iran did not like the US at all and still do not. Most likely that Iran was busy making the rules fit their thinking and not at all as the UN forces and the US had once tried to make it work out. Blame Bush? Maybe, but more likely Iran is messing every thing up. And there is another problem. We should not be trying to make peace with a country that has tried for so many many years to put the US down. We should be tougher on them for the way they have treated the US and other free countries.
Review of the Iraq Invasion
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I thought I remember seeing reports that a couple of hijackers spent time in Iraq but I believe this came out after the Iraq invasion and some documents they found or prisoners they interrogated. How significant that stay would've been seems to be negligible. Or maybe prisoners were feeding interrogators something they wanted to hear.
The 28 pages is covering up a lot of crap, 28 pages, this is more than a mere mention of covert operatives or operations. Another lawsuit to get that information was just denied in September saying the Saudi's have sovereign immunity.
If Iraq had a major part I'm sure a dictator like Saddam would've boasted.
The 28 pages is covering up a lot of crap, 28 pages, this is more than a mere mention of covert operatives or operations. Another lawsuit to get that information was just denied in September saying the Saudi's have sovereign immunity.
If Iraq had a major part I'm sure a dictator like Saddam would've boasted.
A site to browse regarding Bush's Iraq invasion, for those interested. http://www.publicintegrity.org/politics/white-house/iraq-war-card
it is pretty clear that some do not want to include others responsible and just call it Bush's Iraq war. It was not just Bush and as I see it the UN did not come unglued either. They were working on just expanding the UN directive of years earlier.
To read that post, I did look at it, I will not for some basic reasons. That is 12 or more years ago and now is history. It is what it is and nothing will change that. It is like worrying about WWII and all the killing done then. It is all just history now.
Our problem today is much more serious that agreeing with or disagreeing with Iraq war and who did what. We need to get joined with the many countries around the world and stand up to the war that has been declared on and the demonstrated hate and killings that went on in Paris last night. Yes, it is a war and we need to stand up and fight back to end the source of these killers and their hatred.
President Putin says he has fought this war for years. We should join him and help make the threat disappear. If those terrorist are so in a hurry to get to their idea of heaven to blow themselves up, let us help them to their heaven as quickly as possible. Both here at home in the US and all around the world too.
I hope they finally uncover the content of these pages, I think the secrecy and government corruption it's trying to hide is shameful. More here.
"Meanwhile, a far lesser-known document from the files of the 9/11 Commission—written by the same principal authors as the 28 pages and declassified last summer without publicity and without media analysis—indicates investigators proposed exploring to what extent “political, economic and other considerations” affected U.S. government investigations of links between Saudi Arabia and 9/11.
Drafted by Dana Lesemann and Michael Jacobson as a set of work plans for their specific parts of the 9/11 Commission investigation, the 47-page document also provides an overview of individuals of most interest to investigators pursuing a Saudi connection to the 2001 attack that killed nearly 3,000 people.
Included in that overview is a previously unpublicized declaration that, after the capture of alleged al-Qaeda operative Ghassan al-Sharbi in Pakistan, the FBI discovered a cache of documents he had buried nearby.
Among them: al-Sharbi’s U.S. flight certificate inside an envelope of the Saudi embassy in Washington, D.C.
Declassified in July 2015 under the authority of the Interagency Security Classification Appeals Panel (ISCAP) pursuant to a Mandatory Declassification Review (MDR) appeal, the document is the seventeenth of 29 released under ISCAP appeal2012-48, which focuses on FBI files related to 9/11. One of two documents in the series identified as “Saudi Notes,” we’ll refer to it as “Document 17.”
Dated June 6, 2003, Document 17 was written by Lesemann and Jacobson in their capacity as staff investigators for the 9/11 Commission, and was addressed to 9/11 Commission Executive Director Philip Zelikow, Deputy Executive Director Chris Kojm and General Counsel Dan Marcus."
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Wow.
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Is there anything negative that the rightwing extremist section of the Republican Party has not attributed to President Obama?
it must be so embarrassing for sensible Americans of whatever political persuasion to be exposed to the constant barrage of
hatred that certain questionably sane peeps have spewed over the past seven years. This is a first world country, a major world power, not a backward banana republic.
it must be so embarrassing for sensible Americans of whatever political persuasion to be exposed to the constant barrage of
hatred that certain questionably sane peeps have spewed over the past seven years. This is a first world country, a major world power, not a backward banana republic.
People want and deserve answers, more here.
"Mr. Graham, 78, a two-term governor of Florida and three-term senator who left Capitol Hill in 2005, says he will not relent in his efforts to force the government to make public a secret section of a congressional review he helped write — one that, by many accounts, implicates Saudi citizens in helping the hijackers.
“No. 1, I think the American people deserve to know the truth of what has happened in their name,” said Mr. Graham, who was a co-chairman of the 2002 joint congressional inquiry into the terrorist attacks. “No. 2 is justice for these family members who have suffered such loss and thus far have been frustrated largely by the U.S. government in their efforts to get some compensation.”
He also says national security implications are at stake, suggesting that since Saudi officials were not held accountable for Sept. 11 they have not been restrained in backing a spread of Islamic extremism that threatens United States interests. Saudi leaders have long denied any connection to Sept. 11.
Mr. Graham’s focus on a possible Saudi connection has received renewed attention because of claims made by victims’ families in a federal court in New York that Saudi Arabia was responsible for aiding the Sept. 11 hijackers and because of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed against the F.B.I. in Florida."
"Mr. Graham, 78, a two-term governor of Florida and three-term senator who left Capitol Hill in 2005, says he will not relent in his efforts to force the government to make public a secret section of a congressional review he helped write — one that, by many accounts, implicates Saudi citizens in helping the hijackers.
“No. 1, I think the American people deserve to know the truth of what has happened in their name,” said Mr. Graham, who was a co-chairman of the 2002 joint congressional inquiry into the terrorist attacks. “No. 2 is justice for these family members who have suffered such loss and thus far have been frustrated largely by the U.S. government in their efforts to get some compensation.”
He also says national security implications are at stake, suggesting that since Saudi officials were not held accountable for Sept. 11 they have not been restrained in backing a spread of Islamic extremism that threatens United States interests. Saudi leaders have long denied any connection to Sept. 11.
Mr. Graham’s focus on a possible Saudi connection has received renewed attention because of claims made by victims’ families in a federal court in New York that Saudi Arabia was responsible for aiding the Sept. 11 hijackers and because of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed against the F.B.I. in Florida."
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I just found this thread and watched the videos. My husband and I were sitting on a fifth floor deck down in Norfolk looking out on the ocean when the ships all began pulling out. He looked at me and said there's something very serious happening. That was the beginning of the first Gulf War.
These videos really fill in the dots. We always doubted the information we were being fed, something about it just didn't seem "right". They knew it wasn't true what they were saying about WMD, they basically staged this whole thing to go into Iraq. A costly war (wars) and we are still over there. Sadly, so many people lost their lives and many more wounded because of faulty heresay intelligence they chose to use. I think the report was honest--these people worked closely with the White House and seem to be quite credible. A lot of people felt duped when they were unable to find anything! Appreciate you posting this, thanks. It's a history lesson.
These videos really fill in the dots. We always doubted the information we were being fed, something about it just didn't seem "right". They knew it wasn't true what they were saying about WMD, they basically staged this whole thing to go into Iraq. A costly war (wars) and we are still over there. Sadly, so many people lost their lives and many more wounded because of faulty heresay intelligence they chose to use. I think the report was honest--these people worked closely with the White House and seem to be quite credible. A lot of people felt duped when they were unable to find anything! Appreciate you posting this, thanks. It's a history lesson.