Bretrick
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Would discussing this matter be classified as political?
There is a lot of talk about IS Brides returning to Australia
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Lilac
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Some may have heartburn while others may not.
I don't believe it is because it's dealing with a group of people who left & now want to return. Their return may have some repercussions on the other residents who live in Australia ... maybe not right away, but in the future it very well could.
I don't believe it is because it's dealing with a group of people who left & now want to return. Their return may have some repercussions on the other residents who live in Australia ... maybe not right away, but in the future it very well could.
Bretrick
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Regarding whether this post might be deemed political, I will proceed just to say, I wonder if those wishing to return have family that will take them back.
If they have nowhere to live, will the Australian government miraculously find them social housing, thus allowing them to jump the queue of those Australians that desperately need a home?
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Bretrick
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I understand your thinking.
I am pretty sure you will not be banned. If the post is deemed political then the post will be removed.
Warrigal
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This topic is not, or rather, it should not be political.
It is a matter of legality. Australian citizens have the right to return to Australia, full stop.
Where it becomes rather unclear is when dual citizenship is involved.
The ISIS brides, as far as I know, were Australian citizens when they left to go with their husbands to fight for ISIS. I doubt that they were granted citizenship by a foreign country after they left Australia.
This means that they and their children have the legal right to return to Australia. Our PM acknowledges this but says that his government is not obliged to help them to get here.
IMO only, I think that they should have been repatriated when the children were much younger, before they were damaged by years in a desert tent camp. We could have educated them and helped them to fit into Australian society, but I now fear that they will be a threat to Australian society in the years to come.
It is a matter of legality. Australian citizens have the right to return to Australia, full stop.
Where it becomes rather unclear is when dual citizenship is involved.
The ISIS brides, as far as I know, were Australian citizens when they left to go with their husbands to fight for ISIS. I doubt that they were granted citizenship by a foreign country after they left Australia.
This means that they and their children have the legal right to return to Australia. Our PM acknowledges this but says that his government is not obliged to help them to get here.
IMO only, I think that they should have been repatriated when the children were much younger, before they were damaged by years in a desert tent camp. We could have educated them and helped them to fit into Australian society, but I now fear that they will be a threat to Australian society in the years to come.
Keep politicians and policy out of it should be good.
It's about people changing their mind about a way of life or movement as much as anything.
George1959
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Educating and helping them to fit into Australien society wouldn't have worked with such fanatics.
Messy
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We had that in Holland a few years ago. Some had women there as slaves. Our punishments are extremely low. They just got a few years, while in that country they might have gotten the death penalty for it. But on the other hand I saw a documentary of a sweet older man whose daughter was so dumb to go there and his grandkids were stuck there and he wanted to take the kids in and I felt so sorry for him.
There was also a guy, a war criminal big leader, living in a neat social house others have to wait 20 years for. Because they didn't know who was who, but others from there knew.
There was also a guy, a war criminal big leader, living in a neat social house others have to wait 20 years for. Because they didn't know who was who, but others from there knew.
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It seems to me that it would have to be or should be looked at on a case by case basis.
If a woman married and simply left to follow their husband I don’t see a crime in that.
If a woman was found to be actively engaged in acts of sedition, as opposed to simple freedom of speech, it seems that they might be banned or allowed to return to face some form of criminal prosecution.
In any case the women made their choice and my main concern would be what becomes of the children in these situations.
If a woman married and simply left to follow their husband I don’t see a crime in that.
If a woman was found to be actively engaged in acts of sedition, as opposed to simple freedom of speech, it seems that they might be banned or allowed to return to face some form of criminal prosecution.
In any case the women made their choice and my main concern would be what becomes of the children in these situations.
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https://www.ewmagazine.nl/politiek/news/2026/02/is-syrie-kamermeerderheid-1537951/
This is what they say here now:
Therefore, the best option would be an international tribunal, to which European countries jointly contribute. The perpetrators could then be tried where their crimes were committed, ensuring that the victims of ISIS receive justice.
This is what they say here now:
Therefore, the best option would be an international tribunal, to which European countries jointly contribute. The perpetrators could then be tried where their crimes were committed, ensuring that the victims of ISIS receive justice.
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Bretrick
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To get away from where they are incarcerated. They are all held in detention camps in Syria.
JustDave
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Someone mentioned detention camps, but I thought they were referring to something else. From this I understand that Syria will release them. This is hard to understand for me. If someone is incarcerated, you don't release them just because they want to go. I know I'm drifting here, and this actually becomes a problem that Australia to solve. It is an interesting problem. That's for sure.
It seems like it would make sense for them to go to Iran.
some I have read have quietly been returned to their home countries ..
Not just one country has this issue. some returned to the UK. One, at least lost her citizenship in the UK and many court cases, but she was trying planning with someone to be smuggled back into the UK. Why would it be done quietly if they pose no threat.
They joined a terrorist organization many as very young brides.
Can they fit back into society after being in a cult like situation?
Maybe or maybe not so many officials who seem to risk that are not the ones who will ultimately find out.
Not just one country has this issue. some returned to the UK. One, at least lost her citizenship in the UK and many court cases, but she was trying planning with someone to be smuggled back into the UK. Why would it be done quietly if they pose no threat.
They joined a terrorist organization many as very young brides.
Can they fit back into society after being in a cult like situation?
Maybe or maybe not so many officials who seem to risk that are not the ones who will ultimately find out.
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AI Overview ISIS brides leave the Kurdish detention camps in Northeast Syria (such as Al-Hol and Al-Roj) for a number of complex reasons, ranging from escapes and repatriation by their own governments to the dismantling of camps by local authorities. Here are the main reasons why these women leave the camps:
Repatriation by home countries: European countries, including the Netherlands, are increasingly repatriating women and children. The reason for this is often twofold: to prevent escapes where the women disappear from view, and to bring these women to justice in their own countries for participation in a terrorist organization.
Dismantling of camps: The Kurdish authorities, who run the camps, have dismantled parts of the camps and released tens of thousands of Syrian ISIS members. This is due to the enormous pressure on the facilities and the impossibility of holding everyone indefinitely.
Escapes: Due to poor security, corruption, and unrest in the region, thousands of women have escaped or been "allowed to leave" over the years.
Local tribal agreements: In some cases, Syrian women are released after mediation by local tribal leaders, who guarantee their reintegration into the community.
Legal and security risks: Local SDF Syrian Democratic Forces guarding the camps are overwhelmed and see no other option than to empty the camps or force countries to repatriate their citizens.
They found out that the winner they backed was actually a loser.
JustDave
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I'm not sure they are done losing yet.
Sadly, most young these days learn the hard way what actual choices cost in the long run.
I am sure they did not listen to parents or others who begged them not to do this.
Messy
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GeenStijl: Nederlandse Yezidi-vrouwen jagen op IS-vrouwen
Dutch Yazidi women hunt down ISIS women Just a quick interview to make the forgotten victims and perpetrators a little less forgotten. Pari Ibrahim, a Dutch Yazidi woman, and her international foundation, Free Yezidi, are hunting down ISIS women and proving that they did more than just cook, wash dishes, and change diapers.
They took them to the slave market, bought slaves themselves, forced them into housework, and prepared them for rape, for example. Pari: "The Yazidis have information about the perpetrators burned into their souls—their names and physical characteristics. Our team is very adept at gathering this information so that prosecutors can build a case on it. That can take years.
But we ensure that none of the perpetrators can sleep soundly." Yet, the evidence rarely reaches a Dutch court. We're working day and night. Little by little, we're hearing more and more stories. Some victims haven't spoken to us to this day. We're conducting interviews and asking: which names can they remember?
What did they look like, what language did they speak? Evidence collected by our foundation has already been shared with European prosecutors. We brought back another one on June 4th with a red carpet, and six more are waiting. According to the AIVD (General Intelligence and Security Service), 30 Dutch ISIS women are still in Kurdish camps. If only they had their own play. Those Yazidis, that is.
Pari: "Your blood boils when you see the most serious criminal group we know, their accomplices, and supporters being given a platform to proclaim themselves pitiful victims, while they knew full well what was happening. Women went to the slave market, paid slaves with their own money, forced them to do housework, or prepared them for rape. Our goal is to ensure that ISIS members don't get away with their crimes. That way, we Yazidis can finally get justice." It's all impossible.
Dutch Yazidi women hunt down ISIS women Just a quick interview to make the forgotten victims and perpetrators a little less forgotten. Pari Ibrahim, a Dutch Yazidi woman, and her international foundation, Free Yezidi, are hunting down ISIS women and proving that they did more than just cook, wash dishes, and change diapers.
They took them to the slave market, bought slaves themselves, forced them into housework, and prepared them for rape, for example. Pari: "The Yazidis have information about the perpetrators burned into their souls—their names and physical characteristics. Our team is very adept at gathering this information so that prosecutors can build a case on it. That can take years.
But we ensure that none of the perpetrators can sleep soundly." Yet, the evidence rarely reaches a Dutch court. We're working day and night. Little by little, we're hearing more and more stories. Some victims haven't spoken to us to this day. We're conducting interviews and asking: which names can they remember?
What did they look like, what language did they speak? Evidence collected by our foundation has already been shared with European prosecutors. We brought back another one on June 4th with a red carpet, and six more are waiting. According to the AIVD (General Intelligence and Security Service), 30 Dutch ISIS women are still in Kurdish camps. If only they had their own play. Those Yazidis, that is.
Pari: "Your blood boils when you see the most serious criminal group we know, their accomplices, and supporters being given a platform to proclaim themselves pitiful victims, while they knew full well what was happening. Women went to the slave market, paid slaves with their own money, forced them to do housework, or prepared them for rape. Our goal is to ensure that ISIS members don't get away with their crimes. That way, we Yazidis can finally get justice." It's all impossible.
KSav
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This is an interesting article I found that provides details. I haven't read it in full myself yet because I am up against a tight deadline, but I've bookmarked it and will be reading it tonight. I'm a little wary of posting something I haven't read in full yet, but just in case anyone is interested: Eleven Australian 'ISIS brides' are trying to come home. This is who they are
I found another very interesting-looking article as well, but it was behind a paywall.
I found another very interesting-looking article as well, but it was behind a paywall.
Messy
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GeenStijl: Rechter: Nederland moet kalifaatkids terughalen
Judge: The Netherlands must repatriate caliphate children
Let's now switch to the @HaagseRechtbank, where the judge will soon rule on whether the Netherlands must repatriate 23 ISIS brides and 56 armed offspring. (Including this diehard woman from Wageningen, who turns out to be the wife of a slave-owning Caliphate bigwig.) Ladies here in the Horrible West face a bogus sentence of 2 to 6 years, followed by free rent and benefits. GroenLinks, D66, and a battery of deradicalization Sjakies are keen; the rest of the Netherlands isn't keen on ticking time bombs with Yazidi blood still on their fingers. Live tweets from Aunt Carla of the AD. After the break, the potential future classmates of your Mees & Sterre.
Judge: The Netherlands must repatriate caliphate children
Let's now switch to the @HaagseRechtbank, where the judge will soon rule on whether the Netherlands must repatriate 23 ISIS brides and 56 armed offspring. (Including this diehard woman from Wageningen, who turns out to be the wife of a slave-owning Caliphate bigwig.) Ladies here in the Horrible West face a bogus sentence of 2 to 6 years, followed by free rent and benefits. GroenLinks, D66, and a battery of deradicalization Sjakies are keen; the rest of the Netherlands isn't keen on ticking time bombs with Yazidi blood still on their fingers. Live tweets from Aunt Carla of the AD. After the break, the potential future classmates of your Mees & Sterre.
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@Bretrick My heart goes out to you, I pick up your concern over this. I confess I am not up on all that happened
there and why but I truly hope whatever is decided that there isn't a long term hardship when it's done.
Protecting our countries from unknown enemies is so very vital for the future.
there and why but I truly hope whatever is decided that there isn't a long term hardship when it's done.
Protecting our countries from unknown enemies is so very vital for the future.