United States and Israel attack Iran Early Saturday Morning

The United States has urged all Americans to leave 15 countries across the Middle East ahead of a planned 'major uptick' in strikes on Iran.

State Department officials announced Monday that any Americans currently in the Middle East should evacuate immediately, and offered assistance to anyone who was struggling to arrange transportation out of the country.

That announcement came as a senior official told CNN's Jim Sciutto that the US is preparing for a 'major uptick' in strikes on Iran over the next 24 hours, targeting the country's missile production, drones and naval capabilities.


But already Iran has started firing back, killing six American soldiers and striking an American-allied fuel tanker in the Strait of Hormuz, a vital shipping route.

Iran's Revolutionary Guards now say the strait is closed and Iran will set fire on any ship which attempts to pass through.

A major oil refinery at Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia, was also shuttered today, Monday.... after being hit by a drone as motorists in the UK face warnings of potential 'record prices at the pumps'.

Meanwhile, Qatar shot down two Iranian fighter jets after it was attacked by Tehran today and forced to shut off its gas production following a drone strike.

The Qatari defense ministry announced two Su-24 bombers were brought down, while seven missiles and five drones were also intercepted during several attacks on the Gulf state.
 
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Fire reported at US Embassy in Saudi Arabia​

A fire and explosions have been reported at the US Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
 
Grailhunter57 said:
Well it is hard to know. They just started back up again and who knows how long it would take them to develop a nuclear weapon, they have been working on it for over ten years. The problem is they are doomday-ists. They were hoping that other countries would fight against America and Isreal to start a world war but that backfired on them.
So now they are firing on everyone. It is all about escalating everything. I am thinking America will soon give them a taste of the MOAB's......25,000 lbs bombs. That will rattle their cage.
They are running hundreds of sorties to mop up the missiles and drones. This should be over in a few days.
Then the hard part is getting a new government in place. That will take some time. If they can do that without boots on the ground that will be the trick.
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The Man himself announced today that it would be 4-5 weeks.
 
Warrigal said:
I feel very sad right now. A song is playing in my head, over and over.

"Where have all the flowers gone?" by Pete Seeger

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When will we ever learn the lessons of history? My grandfather served as a horse soldier during the Great War, and every one of his sons volunteered for service in WWII. Two of the five lie in graves in foreign lands. "The war to end all wars" was an empty lie. Peace is an illusion. :cry:
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My dad and his brother were in France during WW1 and participated in that 'over the top" nightmare. Interesting though that one of his clearest memories were the planes that flew overhead from time to time. Planes were relatively scarce at that time and he said even the German soldiers would pause at the sight of planes as they were new to warfare.
 
Grailhunter57 said:
Till the time they surrender. We will see. From there working with them to get their government together could take some time.
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Good luck with that! I'll believe it when I see it. Here's an excerpt and the source. Let's talk about Afghanistan all over again, and we had boots on the ground there. Don't get me wrong. I would love to see regime change in Iran. Not being negative, just realistic.

In reality, eliminating the supreme leader would at best produce a messy internal power struggle and at worst further embolden the organization. The IRGC is not a pyramid built around a single man; it is a sprawling institution supported by multiple power centers. The supreme leader may be its public face, but he is not the organization’s ventriloquist. The regime has in fact already taken preventative measures to ensure its survival in the event of an attack, including by tapping Ali Larijani, a former IRGC commander and the current head of the Supreme National Security Council, to take the lead on contingency planning. Khamenei has also reportedly named successors for himself and his key military and government appointees to enable smooth transfers of power and ensure the regime’s longevity.

The IRGC’s power is bolstered by the absence of a unified opposition in Iran. Today’s anti-regime forces are a patchwork of labor groups, ethnic minorities, and monarchists. Decades of repression have left them fragmented. Speculation about the return of Reza Pahlavi, the former crown prince currently living in exile, has been fueled in part by Iran’s diaspora and what Haaretz revealed to be a digital influence campaign operating out of Israel. Ultimately, Pahlavi is distanced from conditions on the ground and lacks credibility with both Iranians and US government officials.

Regime change in Iran? Here’s why the US should avoid the temptation.
 
seadoug said:
Good luck with that! I'll believe it when I see it. Here's an excerpt and the source. Let's talk about Afghanistan all over again, and we had boots on the ground there. Don't get me wrong. I would love to see regime change in Iran. Not being negative, just realistic.

In reality, eliminating the supreme leader would at best produce a messy internal power struggle and at worst further embolden the organization. The IRGC is not a pyramid built around a single man; it is a sprawling institution supported by multiple power centers. The supreme leader may be its public face, but he is not the organization’s ventriloquist. The regime has in fact already taken preventative measures to ensure its survival in the event of an attack, including by tapping Ali Larijani, a former IRGC commander and the current head of the Supreme National Security Council, to take the lead on contingency planning. Khamenei has also reportedly named successors for himself and his key military and government appointees to enable smooth transfers of power and ensure the regime’s longevity.

The IRGC’s power is bolstered by the absence of a unified opposition in Iran. Today’s anti-regime forces are a patchwork of labor groups, ethnic minorities, and monarchists. Decades of repression have left them fragmented. Speculation about the return of Reza Pahlavi, the former crown prince currently living in exile, has been fueled in part by Iran’s diaspora and what Haaretz revealed to be a digital influence campaign operating out of Israel. Ultimately, Pahlavi is distanced from conditions on the ground and lacks credibility with both Iranians and US government officials.

Regime change in Iran? Here’s why the US should avoid the temptation.
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Cannot talk about Afghanistan because it gets political.
 
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