Neo-Nazi group in Sweden swarms train station and beat child refugees

I mean that it has been statistically proven that the rapes and assaults on young women has risen astronomically since they began the refugee program, in so many countries, but because it isn't PC to say it it has been kept from the headlines, yes.
 
SifuPhil said:
I mean that it has been statistically proven that the rapes and assaults on young women has risen astronomically since they began the refugee program, in so many countries, but because it isn't PC to say it it has been kept from the headlines, yes.
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I'm against violence and don't agree with these neo-Nazi groups beating and killing people either in the US or elsewhere.

You're obviously right about these cases of abusive attacks by refugees in other countries flying under the radar in regards to the media. I heard of the incident in Germany, but hadn't heard much about anywhere else.

I'm not at all saying all refugees are bad and should be locked out of a country, but a closer look has to be taken at the criminal element involved for the safety of the citizens of any country who kindly opens its doors to them, that's just common sense. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/...ks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/
 
As always, Sea, your moderate touch brings things to a well-balanced place.

My shock-jock reply was meant as a way to shake us all loose of our illusions.
 
SifuPhil said:
You're one of the relatively few. ;)
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Lumping an entire ethnic group into a ball and insinuating they are quilty of an increase in rapes without any proof... because of an increase in rapes happened on one country... Then musing if perhaps women wouldn't be raped now as a result of the neo-Nazi beating children in Stockholm.... is a bit over the top... Don't you think? I have no Illusions as to what that means..
 
In the cases of attacks by refugees, I'll wait till all the facts are in because, as usual, much of the news reporting is sensationalized to stir the pot, not all involved in these incidents are refugees or as simple as it may sound, but, typical of the fear mongers who want to present a particular picture to further their cause whatever that may be.

The headlines about the rise in such incidents are questionable as well it seems it was a New Year's Eve occurrence mainly when most of this took place.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/01/cologne-refugees-migrants-merkel/423708/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ex-attacks-claimed-to-be-Syrian-refugees.html
 
QuickSilver said:
Lumping an entire ethnic group into a ball and insinuating they are quilty of an increase in rapes without any proof... because of an increase in rapes happened on one country... Then musing if perhaps women wouldn't be raped now as a result of the neo-Nazi beating children in Stockholm.... is a bit over the top... Don't you think? I have no Illusions as to what that means..
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Wasn't lumping the entire group together - only the teen-aged males.

No proof? Check the stats.

One country? Germany, Sweden, Syria, Amsterdam, New York ...

Those "children" were mainly gang members - old enough to know right from wrong.

A "bit over the top" is allowing these atrocities to women to continue with nobody taking any political action at all.
 
The 'article' is biased but apparently so were the actions of the protesting "group".

Unbridled mass immigration including hordes crossing the border en masse in combination with mass sexual assaults/groping sessions both which seemed/were suppressed in beginning stages will lead to reactionary protests like this both for the suppression(implies cover up & forced agenda) & who committed many of those acts. If the media & government had allowed routine reporting of many of these immigrant related/involved incidents the reaction wouldn't be so visceral. Attempting a preemptive politically correct response allowed for a build up of frustration and lack of trust of many of these European governments.

All that being said if these groups are guilty of assaults, hate crimes etc then prosecute them. If arrests of individuals earlier in the process had been made/made public for discriminatory behavior we would've probably been talking individual people instead of groups of people on both sides.
 
That's the rub, I think - how is it a "hate crime" when you're eliminating the "hate crimes"?

But yes, totally agree - if earlier action had been taken instead of sweeping it under the rug, things might not have come to such a head.
 
SifuPhil said:
That's the rub, I think - how is it a "hate crime" when you're eliminating the "hate crimes"?

But yes, totally agree - if earlier action had been taken instead of sweeping it under the rug, things might not have come to such a head.
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So beating up children is a way to eliminate "hate crimes" ???? I did not know that..
 
SifuPhil said:
One country? Germany, Sweden, Syria, Amsterdam, New York ...
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From what I've read, you can add Finland to that list.

WhatInThe said:
If the media & government had allowed routine reporting of many of these immigrant related/involved incidents the reaction wouldn't be so visceral.
All that being said if these groups are guilty of assaults, hate crimes etc then prosecute them. If arrests of individuals earlier in the process had been made/made public for discriminatory behavior we would've probably been talking individual people instead of groups of people on both sides.
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I agree.
 
QuickSilver said:
So beating up children is a way to eliminate "hate crimes" ???? I did not know that..
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You seem to be fixated on the word "children", and I realize it is intended to garner emotional support, but do we know how old these "children" really were?

The article doesn't say, but it does mention:

Some of them join gangs and engage in criminal behavior.
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If they're old enough to do that, they're old enough to suffer the consequences of their actions.
 
I'm guessing you would support vigilante groups here? We could get the KKK to come in and fight Chicago Street gangs... wouldn't THAT be fun??
 
The KKK - at least, the old KKK - is long gone.

I would form my own vigilante group to take out the street gangs.

It wouldn't be fun but it would be necessary.

But of course, the bad guys' rights would have been violated, so we could arrest all the vigilantes and let the bad guys out on the street again. Enjoy yourself when THAT happens.

Oh, wait ... it already has ...
 
SifuPhil said:
Wasn't lumping the entire group together - only the teen-aged males.

No proof? Check the stats.

One country? Germany, Sweden, Syria, Amsterdam, New York ...

Those "children" were mainly gang members - old enough to know right from wrong.

A "bit over the top" is allowing these atrocities to women to continue with nobody taking any political action at all.
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SeaBreeze said:
From what I've read, you can add Finland to that list.



I agree.
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I haven't been able to find the exact stats indicating the rise of rapes correlating to the refugee migration. Can someone help?

I did see there was a mass rape situation that happened in the countries listed around the same time frame by a bunch of sickos, but, I'm having trouble finding stats saying rapes weren't a significant issue in many of these places even before this refugee crisis at various times. I'm not being facetious, I was getting a headache searching for my own interest.
 
SifuPhil said:
If they're old enough to do that, they're old enough to suffer the consequences of their actions.
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Here's the action of a young 'child' of 15. http://www.buzzfeed.com/franciswhittaker/woman-stabbed-to-death-at-swedish-asylum-center#.eov6EowAOJ

A 22-year-old woman was stabbed to death while working at a center for teenage asylum-seekers in Mölndal, near Gothenburg, western Sweden, late on Monday.

Police have arrested a 15-year-old boy who was staying at the center, the BBCreported.

“It was messy, a crime scene with a lot of blood,” police spokesman Thomas Fuxborg said, according to Sveriges Radio.

The victim died from her wounds in hospital, according to multiple reports. A knife apparently used by the attacker was recovered from the scene.
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SifuPhil said:
The KKK - at least, the old KKK - is long gone.

I would form my own vigilante group to take out the street gangs.

It wouldn't be fun but it would be necessary.

But of course, the bad guys' rights would have been violated, so we could arrest all the vigilantes and let the bad guys out on the street again. Enjoy yourself when THAT happens.

Oh, wait ... it already has ...
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unbelievable...
 
QuickSilver said:
unbelievable...
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What's really astonishing is their high rate of sex crimes before the migration and nothing was being done about that, same in these other countries as well as our own being numero uno.

http://www.wonderslist.com/10-countries-highest-rape-crime/

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/rape-culture-germany-cologne-new-years-2016-876

From link above:

This article was originally published on VICE Germany
Ever since New Year's Eve, German media have largely been discussing the violence at Cologne's central train station in terms of a rape culture that was imported into Germany – simply because the perpetrators in this case looked "Arab" or "North African", according to witnesses. The only point being, of course, that the men weren't white.
That's an idea that renders sexualised violence and theft harmless by trivialising and exorcising both notions. The fact that our society and its institutions aren't in any position to protect those affected by the violence and identify its culprits doesn't in any way mean that there's never been sexualised violence in Germany before. In fact, Germany's rape culture is deeply rooted in our collective psyche.
Sexual assaults and even rape happen every year at big events like Oktoberfest. "The way to the toilet alone is like running the gauntlet: within 50 feet, you can be sure to tally three hugs from drunken strangers, two pats on the ass, someone looking up your dirndl and some beer purposely splashed right down your cleavage," wrote Karoline Beisel and Beate Wild in 2011, in the Süddeutsche Zeitung. An average of 10 reported rapes take place each year at Oktoberfest. The estimated number of unreported cases is 200.
A 2004 study on the living conditions, security and health of women in Germany, showed that 13 percent of German women have experienced a form of criminal sexualised violence. The scandal is that only 8 percent of these women filed a complaint with the police. If you include multiple complaints, then the figure decreases to 5 percent. That means that an incredible 95 percent of women in Germany who experience sexual violence don't report it to the police.
According to German law, in order to get a conviction for sexual assault, the victim must prove that they resisted the violence.

Yet the media would still rather talk at length about false accusations, even if they are rare. Depending on the statistics and the country, they account for between 1 and 9 percent of all reported cases – in Germany that number lies between 3 and 5 percent.
The reason behind all that is that in German law, the victim's behaviour plays a big role when it comes to sexual assault. In order to get a conviction, the victim must prove that they resisted the violence. This is a completely absurd requirement, largely based on numerous myths about how sexualised violence is carried out. That's why staring in shock – a common and natural reaction to violence – often leads to the perpetrator being acquitted. Just imagine that the burden of proof for theft lay on whether the person robbed had adequately defended themselves: "Sorry Miss, you didn't hold on to your purse tight enough, it's your own fault."
Amid all this, the perpetrator's skin colour or religion is irrelevant. With what happened in Cologne, we'll have to see whether those sexual assaults end up being as thoroughly investigated as the property theft that occurred simultaneously. To date, 90 women have filed complaints according to Zeit Online, with 75 percent of them concerning sexual offences. Two of them are rape cases.


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SifuPhil said:
The KKK - at least, the old KKK - is long gone.

I would form my own vigilante group to take out the street gangs.

It wouldn't be fun but it would be necessary.

But of course, the bad guys' rights would have been violated, so we could arrest all the vigilantes and let the bad guys out on the street again. Enjoy yourself when THAT happens.

Oh, wait ... it already has ...
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Phil, this reminds me of Guardian Angels..the street patrol.
 

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