What good is it having a hand gun at the ready to protect yourself and your family, Fla. mother shot

Warrigal

Warrigal

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... if it becomes the means by which you and/or your family come to harm?

This woman got off lightly. She could have been killed at the wheel and her truck could have been the cause of a major accident in which her four year old and others could also have been killed.

As it was, she was only shot in the back by her infant son.
I can't believe that I just used the word 'only' in this context.

A 31-year-old Florida woman is in stable condition less than a day after getting accidentally shot in the back by her 4-year-old son while she was driving, PEOPLE confirms.

According to a statement from investigators in Florida's Putnam County, the non-fatal shooting occurred on Tuesday afternoon as Jamie Gilt was driving down a highway.

Depending on what police learn during their investigation, Gilt could end up facing criminal charges, police say.

The small child was sitting in the vehicle's backseat, right behind his mother, and somehow got his hands on her handgun, the statement says.

According to family members, Gilt was driving her truck to pick up a horse from a relative.

The police statement says detectives continue to investigate the incident "to determine exactly how the firearm was stored in the vehicle."

Gilt's son is currently in the custody of relatives, police said.

The Florida Department of Children and Family Services will be conducting its own investigation into the shooting, according to police.

http://www.people.com/article/florida-boy-accidentally-shoots-mother-in-the-back
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And she's ****** because FLA child services at least Osceola county doesn't fool around. But my theory is that for some people it's a security blanket. If I have my gun "they" can't get me. Even if it's never used in a lifetime except at the gun range, having it is enough.

Ditto for my baby boy. Nobody even armed would try to break into our house. I can walk the streets any hour and I'm safe with him. In the wrong hands he could disembowel a human in one bite. But he is well trained and he is mine. I think gun owners feel the same way. I just prefer protection that is warm and furry.
 
Sorry Fur, but I have the same reservations about dangerous dogs as I do about firearms. Not worth the risk IMO.

I walk the mean streets unprotected and unafraid and most of the time our home is unlocked.
Anyone can just walk in by going round to the back door.
The whole family lives the same way.
 

See you live in Sydney, I live next to Newark, NJ USA...there is no comparison. A story I've told before. One day a civil service group asked the city. Just for one day no gun violence. Just 24 hours no homicides...c'mon we can do this. The first report was 9am and the second by noon. Both gun related...All but two houses on our block have been broken into in the last ten years. We are one of the two. Different environment in big city Americka.
 
No shortage of careless foolish people in this world, whether they leave their 4 year old "infant" in a hot car in summer to bake to death, in a kiddie pool in the yard to drown, by an unsecured window in a 10 story apartment building to fall to his death, around bottles of dangerous prescription medications, or in the presence of a loaded gun with no safety lock, etc.

Fur, your dog won't get far disemboweling anyone who is armed with any kind of an effective weapon, gun, knife, hammer, etc. Warrigal, I didn't think there were any 'mean' streets in Australia. :)
 
Yes, I live in Sydney, population 4.293 million (in 2012 and growing all the time).
I live in a local area called Bankstown which is anything but crime free.

If you follow this link you will see that perception of criminality is higher than the statistics actually reveal.

http://www.bankstown.nsw.gov.au/index.aspx?NID=697

We even have armed robberies but in the latest one the weapon was a baseball bat, not a high powered gun.

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/l...vdi5hdSUyRm1lZGlhJTJGNTMxMDIuaHRtbCZhbGw9MQ==

Police investigate armed robbery - Sydney's west

Thursday, 10 March 2016 02:03:40 AM
Police are appealing for witnesses following an armed robbery in Sydney’s west last night.
About 7.30pm (Wednesday 9 February 2016), a 27-year-old man was working at a bottle shop on Dargan Street, Yagoona, when two men, one armed with a wooden bat, entered the store.
Police have been told the armed pair threatened the employee, before taking cash from a till and running from the scene.
No one was injured during the incident.
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I dunno, if you were break into a house and you saw...
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Well, after you soiled yourself, dropped the gun. and flagged down the closest police car for protection...;)
 
No Fur, that's not the reality, I wouldn't soil my pants, drop my gun or flag down a cop for protection, I unload some lead till he was dead, which would be seconds.
 
That's it exactly, one flat screen TV is not worth what it would take to sew you up, even if you disabled him first shot. Really I love my boy more than life itself...but he does have those choppers.
 
SeaBreeze said:
No Fur, that's not the reality, I wouldn't soil my pants, drop my gun or flag down a cop for protection, I unload some lead till he was dead, which would be seconds.
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A police officer I know once told me that if bad guys are just looking for a house to rob, a dog will put them off and they will go elsewhere because it's easier. But if they want to get into YOUR house for some particular reason, they'll just shoot the dog and proceed. Lead travels even faster than a pissed off pit bull.
 
Warrigal said:
... if it becomes the means by which you and/or your family come to harm?

This woman got off lightly. She could have been killed at the wheel and her truck could have been the cause of a major accident in which her four year old and others could also have been killed.

As it was, she was only shot in the back by her infant son.
I can't believe that I just used the word 'only' in this context.
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Well, I don't think it was exactly the gun's fault here. The fault lies with the irresponsible mother who left a loaded weapon where her child could get to it.
 
Could be certainly, but hubby's friend a lifetime con...no that ******* dog is crazy man no...the same pup sighing and passing wind under our blankets all night. This gentleman is afraid of him face to face.
 
fureverywhere said:
I dunno, if you were break into a house and you saw...
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Well, after you soiled yourself, dropped the gun. and flagged down the closest police car for protection...;)
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Most dog attacks over here happen to children and old people. The children are often in the family home or yard, or at a relatives house and the old people are often attacked while walking down the street past the house where some dog is not properly secured behind a high fence.

Even so, they are fairly uncommon. Certainly not common enough to strap a gun to your hip so that you can shoot down any stray dog in your path.
 
fureverywhere said:
That's it exactly, one flat screen TV is not worth what it would take to sew you up, even if you disabled him first shot. Really I love my boy more than life itself...but he does have those choppers.
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If someone breaks into my house and makes off with a TV set then so be it. We have house and contents insurance for just such an eventuality but in 50 years of living in this house I've only ever had to claim for fire damage. I'm a bit careless when cooking :grin:

I like dogs but I would give you and your boy a very wide birth.
What happens when the census taker calls or someone want to read your electricity or water meter?
Do you carry insurance in case the dog attacks someone legitimately on your property?
 
Back to the OP.

The four year old had been introduced to shooting.

Pro-gun US woman shot in back by 4yo son after she boasted about his marksmanship

Updated about 3 hours agoThu 10 Mar 2016, 12:02pm
Photo: Jamie Gilt was driving when her son shot her in the back through the seat. (Twitter: Jamie Gilt)


A four-year-old boy has accidentally shot his mother in the back, leaving the passionately pro-gun woman seriously wounded and facing possible charges, Florida officials said. Staunch gun advocate Jamie Gilt, 31, who just a day earlier had boasted online about her toddler's shooting prowess, was cruising down a highway with her son in the back when he shot her. The bullet went through the seat cushion.

"Our investigation has revealed that the firearm was legally owned by the victim and the child came to possess the firearm without the victim's knowledge," Putnam County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

Ms Gilt, who is in a stable condition, was so badly wounded that police have been unable to talk to her from her hospital bed. But they warned that she could face police action after they work out exactly how the boy — who was unharmed and is now with relatives — got his hands on the gun.

"Florida statute makes it a misdemeanour for a person to store or leave, on a premise under his or her control, a loaded firearm in such a manner that it is likely a child can gain access to the firearm," said the statement.

"Due to her medical condition, detectives have not been able to interview the victim and any decision on the filing of criminal charges will not come until after we speak with the victim."

What appears to be Ms Gilt's Facebook page suggests she is a passionate supporter of the right to bear arms, including pictures of her with weapons.
On Monday she concluded a discussion on Facebook about possessing weapons for self-defence by boasting: "Even my 4-year-old gets jacked up to target shoot the .22."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-10/pro-gun-us-woman-jamie-gilt-shot-in-back-by-4yo-son/7235802
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A four year old boy may understand that pulling a trigger makes a gun shoot bullets but he is much too young to understand that bullets kill.
 
Jamie Gilt for gun sense??
Irony anyone?

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Jamie Gilt is a woman who lives in Jacksonville, Florida, and operated a Facebook page called Jamie Gilt for Gun Sense on which she posted liberal-baiting pro-gun memes. (The page is no longer available to the public.) At the top of this post, you can see a photo of Gilt from her Facebook gun page; on her personal Facebook page, there is a picture of Gilt wearing the same shirt, with a child on her lap, holding what appears to be the same gun.

Yesterday, a woman named Jamie Gilt—and there's only one Jamie Gilt listed in public records as a resident of Florida—was hospitalized after telling police that her 4-year-old son had shot her in the back while she was driving. From a Jacksonville NBC affiliate:
Jamie Gilt, 31, of Jacksonville, was found shot in the driver's seat of a truck near where State Road 20 and Rowland Avenue meet about 3 p.m. by a deputy stopping to check on the vehicle, which was partially in the roadway, according to the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.
Gilt motioned for help and told investigators her son had accidentally shot her.

Gilt is in stable condition.

Update, March 9, 5 p.m.: This post was updated after Gilt's Facebook page became unavailable.
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Bring on the dogs! Only problem is that it is noisy and the neighbors will be dialing 9-1-1 before the clip is empty.

 
Negativism about guns and gun laws in the U.S. again rearing its ugly head?
'Mean' streets in Australia?
Do you mean the ones I wouldn't walk in day or night, with or without dog or gun?
 
Come on Susie. You've been in Australia long enough to recognise irony.

I mean the streets in my own neighbourhood, which has its share of criminals.
Even so, I've never needed a gun or an armed escort for my safety.

By the way, I've given up expecting gun laws in America to change any time soon.
What is needed is a change in thinking, in the perception that every home is under threat from homicidal maniacs.
Also a realisation that for every person saved by being armed, there are many more harmed by guns kept in the home and car.
 

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