No Wonder Carrier Is Moving To Mexico

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Lon

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With the average Carrier salary being $34.00 per hour PLUS BENEFITS is it any wonder they are going to move their operation to Mexico where they can have the same work done at $6.50 per hour plus benefits per employee.
Working for Carrier in the U.S. doesn't require any more skill, education or talent than what is required of a employee working for Mc'Donalds. C'mon folks, $70,000 per year for a job that requires no real skill. I don't blame Carrier or any other corporation for moving, and ask your self this, Do Labor Unions have any responsibility for their continual push for higher unjustified wages?
 

If you're talking Carrier heating & air, I sincerely hope they require workers more skilled than a burger flipper at McDonald's.
 

It makes the American Worker look over paid but it's not a totally fair comparison dollar for dollar. First the US worker has a higher standard of living which requires more money to feed. Also when these companies set up new plants the automation takes away the need for a lot of the skill a US worker has developed working in an older facility. To top it off how much of a chance does a union stand on succeeding in a Mexican factory. It might be there in name but will ever be able to negotiate similar pay even for the Mexican economy.

The US Autoworker was also compared to the Japanese autoworker being more expensive and less efficient. But again Japan was basically rebuilt after WWII which ment their facilities and technology were much newer. Also the Japanese basically have national health care which took out a lot of the cost of the US worker with individual healthcare.

Comparisons like these are good for an accountant looking at numbers only. They are out of context and don't account for the long economic stability in the US, the company or outsourced location.
 
I can see both sides of this. But I do feel that in some cases Unions have priced American workers right out of a job, and priced American consumers out of being able to "buy American."

If my old employer had had to pay all workers wages commensurate with what auto workers were getting according to skills, they would have just had to close the place and we would have all been out of a job. Or, they'd have had to raise rates to a point where nobody would have used our services and they'd have had to close the place and we'd have all been out of a job.
 
WhatInThe said:
It makes the American Worker look over paid but it's not a totally fair comparison dollar for dollar. First the US worker has a higher standard of living which requires more money to feed. Also when these companies set up new plants the automation takes away the need for a lot of the skill a US worker has developed working in an older facility. To top it off how much of a chance does a union stand on succeeding in a Mexican factory. It might be there in name but will ever be able to negotiate similar pay even for the Mexican economy.

The US Autoworker was also compared to the Japanese autoworker being more expensive and less efficient. But again Japan was basically rebuilt after WWII which ment their facilities and technology were much newer. Also the Japanese basically have national health care which took out a lot of the cost of the US worker with individual healthcare.

Comparisons like these are good for an accountant looking at numbers only. They are out of context and don't account for the long economic stability in the US, the company or outsourced location.
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Do you think it is reasonable that a factory worker at Carrier makes a comparable salary to the average income of a Registered Nurse?
 
Lon said:
Do you think it is reasonable that a factory worker at Carrier makes a comparable salary to the average income of a Registered Nurse?
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Yep, if that is what the market bares. Most people have a choice of jobs and/or careers even if it's the lesser of two evils. Does an RN want to help people or make money. Many RNs wind up doing both. Playing the salary police can get dicey because it wouldn't be a true free market. And if there were not people making refrigeration equipment patients couldn't be cooled when need be, medicines could not be kept cold/stored among other things. Being an HVAC mechanic requires enough science that many programs not only produce a licensed technician/mechanic but a college student/associate degree. Playing the 'this job is more important or should pay more' game shouldn't be part of a free market or society. Every person and job plays a part in the economy.
 
WhatInThe said:
Yep, if that is what the market bares. Most people have a choice of jobs and/or careers even if it's the lesser of two evils. Does an RN want to help people or make money. Many RNs wind up doing both. Playing the salary police can get dicey because it wouldn't be a true free market. And if there were not people making refrigeration equipment patients couldn't be cooled when need be, medicines could not be kept cold/stored among other things. Being an HVAC mechanic requires enough science that many programs not only produce a licensed technician/mechanic but a college student/associate degree. Playing the 'this job is more important or should pay more' game shouldn't be part of a free market or society. Every person and job plays a part in the economy.
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Well it's obvious now that the market will not have to bear paying these un realistic wages but will instead bear the consequences of the plant moving to Mexico. Unions in my opinion are responsible for driving up wages for factory work and causing many companies to seek cheaper labor.
 
Lon said:
Well it's obvious now that the market will not have to bear paying these un realistic wages but will instead bear the consequences of the plant moving to Mexico. Unions in my opinion are responsible for driving up wages for factory work and causing many companies to seek cheaper labor.
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Many of those same unions got pay and a benefit package that helped raise the wages of people in the medical care industry and fuel the economy in general. Without unions, union wages or their effects an RN or MD would not be making what they are today for example.

And again comparing a US worker's wages to a foreigners is NOT a straight up comparison. A higher standard of living requires more pay. The average Mexican worker does not have to pay for many of the things a US worker has to including a mortgage, health insurance, cars, multiple utility bills the US worker has to pay for. In many countries including Japan they not only have nationalized vs private health care but the government subsidizes "private" businesses for their production. And many of these countries of outsourcing will wind up suffering the same fate as many cities have with stadium deals for billionaires getting stuck with bills they can't pay or problems they can't solve.
 
Lon said:
Do you think it is reasonable that a factory worker at Carrier makes a comparable salary to the average income of a Registered Nurse?
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No, I don't. I think we are are forgetting what a particular job is worth, i.e., a burger flipper job is not worth $15 per hour, and forcing wages up beyond what a job is worth in the economy leads to lost jobs, businesses closing and higher prices for the consumer. Burger flipper jobs and the like were never intended to support a family -- they're a starting place for students to make extra money, a first job, etc., not as a lifelong career.
 

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