Ban All Sharia Muslims From U.S. Entry-------Agree Or Disagree?

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Lon

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Since Muslims of the Sharia persuasion believe that Sharia Law supercedes all other laws why would we ever want to allow them entry?
 

Because we mustn't be prejudiced against anyone, especially if their beliefs differ from our own. This is America. We must let in -- nay, we must welcome -- everyone even if they have no respect for us or our way of life and want to kill us all.

It's kinda like the political version of the American reputation for eating junk food. One way or another, we're determined to destroy our own health.
 
Hmmm. Here we go again. Lol. Canuckistan gots about thirty thousand Syrian refugees, most of them Muslims! Where oh where is the carnage? By the way, it is Sharia not Shaira. I find the obsession with a so called hostile takeover by sharia law

wielding militants puzzling--considering the prevalence of fear mongering attempts by certain racist, homophobic, misogynistic fringe elements of the religious right to enforce their particular interpretation of "God's Law."
 
Lon said:
I screwed up, It's Sharia Law I am talking about & hardly a incendiary thread Thomas. But why would we wish to have anyone gain entry to our respective countries when they are telling you ahead of time that they will not adhere to any of your laws.
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Alright Lon, just for the sake of argument- question: how are U.S. authorities going to identify "Muslims of the Sharia persuasion"? Is that information going to be on an ID card hung around their neck, on a lanyard? Maybe it would be appropriate to have Muslims wear an emblem that says "Muslim", the same way that the Jews were required to do, in Nazi Germany?

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The same system would also work with Mexicans, or any other undesirable group of people that should-be barred from entry into the U.S.
 
Lon said:
What would be wrong with a simple questionnaire?
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Well, if it is true that(as you said) "they are telling you ahead of time that they will not adhere to any of your laws", then what makes you think that answering a questionnaire will be effective? Just marking the "No" box would keep them off the ban list, all there is to it.
 
Because a simple questionnaire even...It's about banning a religion. Just like the gun lobby equates any restrictions on firearms as a step towards taking all the guns...Banning undesirables based on faith was the first step in The Final Solution. And has been said earlier...where might that go? The Mexicans? Perhaps a bunch of African countries? The Russians? Oh and there are still any number of Americans not too happy with Jews either.

So we go from "Give us your poor huddled masses" to "You can't come in until we make sure you're not a loser or terrorist".
 
I believe that one of the best sources for recruiting new Isis followers is from Muslims that adhere to Sharia Law. Sharia Law is fundamentally opposite Western morality, culture and laws. These are the Muslims that pose a real threat and fitting in with Western Culture just ain't gonna happen. There is no way they can assimilate as other groups like Asians, Mexicans etc. have. There has to be a effective way to screen this particular group of Muslims and bar their entry.
 
Oh I forgot the homosexuals and gypsies...
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Really? Canuckistan has many Muslims who believe in some form of Sharia. However, they obey the laws of the land, just as the rest of us do. In my experience while working with refugees, the biggest draw to ISIL often lies in the residue left by the

western powers where we often interfered/destroyed/toppled gov'ts, cultures who live according to laws and mores different from our own, usually out of greed/maintenance of power dynamics. It would piss me off too. How incredibly naive to think we would not inevitably reap the whirlwind.
 
Some of you guys are being pretty harsh.

Lon, take Muslims and Sharia law out of it. And let's say, hypothetically, that there is a mass of immigrants who want entry into the USA who actually declare that they have their own set of laws, and will live by those laws above all other laws. Should they be allowed to live here? (Well, Native Americans and Quakers do, but putting that aside...)

Everyone who lives here must obey federal and state laws or face charges and possible punishment.
 
Of course all of us matter.

That's the whole point.

To terrorists, NONE of us matter. Not even they themselves, to themselves.

Why is this so hard for some people to get?
 
Lon said:
I believe that one of the best sources for recruiting new Isis followers is from Muslims that adhere to Sharia Law. Sharia Law is fundamentally opposite Western morality, culture and laws. These are the Muslims that pose a real threat and fitting in with Western Culture just ain't gonna happen. There is no way they can assimilate as other groups like Asians, Mexicans etc. have. There has to be a effective way to screen this particular group of Muslims and bar their entry.
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Screening any group of humans in order to determine their intentions and attitudes is not easy, especially if they wanted to conceal their intents. Law enforcement would love such a tool, but alas it remains elusive. Polygraphs(lie detector test) require multiple sessions(pre-poly interviews) and personnel, time consuming. The polygraph test is most effective when the test subject believes that it is accurate, and has some kind of emotional stake in being "passed". Still, not admissible as evidence in court.
 
Shalimar said:
Hmm. I don't find it hard to get in the least. Presently, I am far more afraid of homegrown terrorists than immigrants. I actually work and socialise with Muslims. They are people just like us.
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Of course they are people just like us, How many of the Muslims that you work with and socialize with follow Sharia Law?
 
There are plenty of Muslim countries they can go to and harmonize with the indigenous population, we don't need them here.
 
Manatee said:
There are plenty of Muslim countries they can go to and harmonize with the indigenous population, we don't need them here.
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Sadly, they can't. They come here all too often to avoid persecution, starvation, war, slavery, death. Ohhhh, the stories my refugees have, particularly the children. So easy to demonise all Muslims because of a few.
 
I disagree Lon, they shouldn't all be banned from US entry. As Wrigley's said, everyone who lives here must abide by Federal and State laws of the US or face charges.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I disagree Lon, they shouldn't all be banned from US entry. As Wrigley's said, everyone who lives here must abide by Federal and State laws of the US or face charges.
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Yes, our system of justice does not provide for proactive measures against people who "might" break the law, or cause problems.
 

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