The IRS has a long reach

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Browsing around I found this article that says that US citizens living overseas, presumably with dual citizenship, are renouncing their US citizen status for fear of crippling taxes. I'm assuming that new laws are designed to catch tax evasion by the wealthy via tax havens. Do you think that people with lesser resources need fear the IRS making them bankrupt?

Expatriate Americans Break Up With Uncle Sam to Escape Tax Rules

Record Numbers Living Abroad Renounce U.S. Citizenship over IRS Reporting Requirements

Patricia Moon was born in Dayton, Ohio, to a family descended from Quakers who settled in the New World before the American Revolution. As a young woman, Ms. Moon fell for a Canadian man and moved to Toronto. The 59-year-old homemaker, who still visits the U.S. to see relatives, said she feels American in her bones, even after three decades abroad. Yet despite her deep roots, Ms. Moon walked into a U.S. consulate two years ago, raised her right hand and recited an oath renouncing her U.S. citizenship. Afterward, she said, "I bawled my eyes out."

Ms. Moon is among record numbers of Americans cutting ties. U.S. offices abroad reported that 1,001 U.S. citizens and green-card holders had renounced their allegiance in the first three months of the year, according to Andrew Mitchel, a lawyer in Centerbrook, Conn., who analyzes Treasury Department data. That figure puts 2014 on track to top last year's total of 2,999 renunciations, he said, which was the most since the government began disclosing the data.

Helping boost the exodus, experts say, is a five-year-old U.S. campaign to hunt for undeclared accounts held by Americans abroad. Aggressive enforcement of tax rules for American expatriates and their families has prompted some middle-income earners to renounce their U.S. citizenship rather than risk sizable taxes and penalties. Since 2009, the government campaign has collected more than $6 billion in taxes, interest and penalties from more than 43,000 U.S. taxpayers. Federal prosecutors have filed more than 100 criminal indictments, including the high-profile case of Beanie Barbie inventor Ty Warner, who last year pleaded guilty to tax evasion involving secret Swiss bank accounts.

The tax dragnet has also swept up many middle-income Americans living abroad, prompting some to give up their U.S. citizenship. While people who renounce aren't freed of taxes due for past years, they don't want to risk sizable taxes and penalties for them and their children in the years ahead, experts say. Nearly 8,000 taxpayers have renounced U.S. citizenship in the past five years, Mr. Mitchel found, compared with fewer than 5,000 in the preceding decade.

"The increase is due to current and future changes in tax law and enforcement," said Freddi Weintraub, a New York attorney at the Fragomen firm who specializes in immigration law. She said in recent years she has seen a threefold increase in expatriation inquiries related to taxes.

Ms. Moon, for example, feared the IRS could charge her family nearly a half-million dollars in penalties on undeclared savings and checking accounts—even though, she said, the accounts never held more than $102,000, weren't intentionally hidden and didn't have any U.S. taxes owed. "I was afraid we would have to cash in our retirement accounts and sell our home," she said.

Experts say the U.S. campaign could affect millions of Americans like Ms. Moon—people who aren't wealthy, pay taxes in their host country, and who say they weren't trying to dodge U.S. taxes.

"We have reached the point where middle-class American citizens abroad are being forced to renounce—especially if they have assets and are moving toward retirement—because of taxes, paperwork and huge potential penalties," said John Richardson, a Toronto lawyer with dual U.S. and Canadian citizenship. He and Ms. Moon help run a nonprofit group seeking to keep Canada from sharing private account information with U.S. authorities.


As word spreads, experts said, more Americans are likely to consider surrendering their citizenship. The State Department estimates that 7.6 million American citizens live outside the U.S., but only a fraction file required financial disclosure forms.

Mark Mazur, the Treasury Department's assistant secretary for tax policy, said the government's new enforcement was intended to help make sure all taxpayers pay what they owe "regardless of where they live. "At the same time", Mr. Mazur said, "Treasury needs to "maintain a balance between enforcement efforts and equity, including the burdens that may be placed on taxpayers."

Mr. Mazur said Treasury was looking into how best to work with Congress and the IRS to fine-tune the system: "You can always improve."


In May UBS AG admitted in 2009 that it helped wealthy American taxpayers hide money overseas. To avoid criminal charges, the bank paid $780 million to the U.S. and turned over information on more than 4,400 accounts, ending decades of Swiss bank secrecy.

U.S. officials launched their campaign after Swiss banking giant Credit Suisse position pleaded guilty to similar charges and agreed to pay $2.6 billion. Dozens of other Swiss banks are currently negotiating penalties with the U.S. Department of Justice, officials said.

Following the UBS revelations, U.S. officials announced they would begin vigorously enforcing both new and long-dormant tax rules. Unlike other developed nations, the U.S. government taxes citizens on income they earn anywhere in the world. The rule dates to the Civil War, when Ms. Moon's great-great grandfather served with Union forces. (This sounds a bit extreme to me. It is well a known requirement? )

U.S. tax liabilities also cover children born to Americans abroad, extending the reach of the IRS across generations, as well as oceans. For decades, wealthy taxpayers were able to hide foreign assets in countries where bank-secrecy laws fostered attractive tax havens, including Switzerland, the Cayman Islands and Panama. (Is this also well known or a surprise to people with US dual citizenship?)

But the UBS case signaled the beginning of the end for such havens. Armed with information from the Swiss bank, U.S. authorities pursued individuals for back taxes, and pressured the tax professionals who helped them.


As a result of the crackdown, Ms. Moon and others learned they had failed to comply with the law. "We call it the 'Oh, my God! moment.' Every expatriate has it," Ms. Moon said. "They were going to take every dime we had, that was my fear."
 

re:need fear the IRS .

We fear the IRS every April 15th. God help you if you simply forget to sign your returns.
 

The IRS lies. You don't need the headlines to tell you that. I've gotten letters dated the date after I received them and after they had already received my payment. I didn't have a lawyer and after numerous attempts it took about 2 hours on one phone call to find out they had the payment(had to have them look through several data bases). I know others who weren't so lucky and not millionaires. So yes the IRS will bankrupt a person with lesser means without question, compunction or conscience.
 
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In all of the years that we've filed taxes, we only disagreed with the IRS once, and we weren't aware of it until we received a communication from them. We had overpaid by $300.00 and they had made the adjustment in our return. I only read of people having problems with the IRS. Can I be the only US citizen to have had a positive result from a tax error??? :confused:
 
Glad you brought up this older thread.

Never been audited. The IRS contacted me a few years ago noting I made a mistake in THEIR favor. They sent a check that included an additional 3% interest prorated to cover the delay period. Guess we just live right, Dave.;)
 
In all of the years that we've filed taxes, we only disagreed with the IRS once, and we weren't aware of it until we received a communication from them. We had overpaid by $300.00 and they had made the adjustment in our return. I only read of people having problems with the IRS. Can I be the only US citizen to have had a positive result from a tax error??? :confused:

Well, I did get TWO refund checks one year.

I had sent my return in and realized the very next day that I had made a mistake. Called the IRS that same day and asked what to do. They told me to submit another return marked "AMENDED RETURN" in red at the top of the return and send it in an envelope with "AMENDED RETURN" written in red on the envelope, which I did the very same day. A few weeks later, I get a check for the wrong amount. Not sure what to do, I didn't cash it. Some days later, I get another check with the correct amount, which I did cash. Once again, I called the IRS and asked what to do with the other check. "Hang on to it," I was told, "until you receive a notice from the IRS to return it."

A month passed, two months passed, three months passed and no notice. I called and was told the same thing....wait til you get a notice. Four, five, six, seven, eight months passed with me calling once a month. Finally at the end of twelve months, I was tired of it, so I wrote a letter about what had happened and mailed the uncashed check to the IRS.

I never heard a word from anyone. I wonder what would have happened if I had just cashed the check and did nothing about it.....
 
I have to file with the IRS every year. If I made the equivalent of about $100K in the UK (not US income) I would have to pay tax on it not only in the UK but also to the US. Not the full whack of tax, but still a double taxation. This is totally unfair! Fortunately, only my income counts and not my husband's, so I have never been double taxed. I can understand why many dual citizens with high paying jobs would give up their citizenship, and they seem to be doing it in droves.

The US is the ONLY country that double taxes its citizens.
 


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